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I eagerly look forward to the seventh and eighth years of Hillary Clinton's Presidency, where white dudes complain that Congress may be deadlocked and do nothing but dammit I want to be ideologically pure while watching a white man do nothing instead of this Hillary Clinton woman.
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mcmagic posted:By that logic it's really clear that Trump was the republican's best general election candidate, right? I mean technically, he is.  No other candidate would've turned out the base as well and most of them would've been just as toxic to other parts of the electorate.
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Nov 1, 2016 15:42
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I'm not sure where they're getting this idea that the Republicans are going to retain the Senate. Also I'm fairly sure in retrospect that there's no world where the Dems retook the House this year because hypothetical landslides don't matter when you aren't actually running enough good downballot candidates to win suddenly competitive seats.
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Nov 1, 2016 16:44
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Guy Goodbody posted:I honestly believe that Trump is going to underperform the polls. There's gonna be an unusually high Latino turnout, and shy Clinton supporting Republican women, two factors that the polls can't account for. Bleh. Don't put too much faith in that. Obama outperformed his 2012 polling but it wasn't by some huge margin. I expect Hillary might outperform her polling by a max of about 3% (i.e. the margin of error), which is meaningful but not absurdly huge.
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Nov 1, 2016 16:48
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WampaLord posted:You constantly spread fear and bad info about her chances, I don't believe your pronouncements are valid. I mean the article has numbers and it doesn't look great. A Winner is Jew posted:
Iraq and Afghanistan say hello. Also holy poo poo guys no we shouldn't go to war with Russia. They're also not actually a material threat to us. Like what the gently caress.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:36
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Guy Goodbody posted:They're trying to interfere with our election Yeah, poorly. While their military rusts and their economy collapses. A Winner is Jew posted:Iraq I will 100% give you and what I was weighing Georgia and Crimea against. Afghanistan was a disaster in practice even if it was theoretically justified. Russia has pushed over tiny countries near it but we can't deny that American fascists have done a lot more damage in the last generation than Russian fascists. None of this changes that there are plenty of diplomatic and counterintelligence options for countering Russia and war is a preposterously stupid and pointless option. Russia still has nuclear weapons guys. Edit: supporting Trump is not a material threat. Material threat means military, physical. At worst the Russians are trolling us.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:43
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Bip Roberts posted:Hmm yeah good thing we're voting to go to war with Russia. Mulva posted:We aren't going to go with war with Russia. We are going to put the screws to them diplomatically and economically. It's far more effective, and there's sweet gently caress all they can do about it. I'm responding to people who said we should go to war with Russia. Read, please. The Russian government will have enough on its plate when Hillary buries them in sanctions. Peechka posted:Im insane? Yorue voting for the most corrupt, most vile, worst lying sociopath to ever run for president. The one that's threatening war with Russia? hosed up Lybia, hosed up Iraq, hosed up Syria, And now Obama is bombing and supplying munitions to Saudis to bomb Yemen, And Im insane? You're gonna be real disappointed in a week.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:46
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Covok posted:Is Russian's military even a threat to the U.S. sans nuclear weapons? No. Not even in a dick waving nationalistic sense we're literally just that powerful. Guy Goodbody posted:Exactly. They've given us cause and now is a great time to do it Anybody who actually wants a war with Russia is a sociopath. We don't need to declare war on them to strike back for election interference. quote:Who wants to go to war with Russia? It's almost like I quoted them or something.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:47
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Guy Goodbody posted:I am unironically pro-war with russia You're an idiot. A crazy, crazy idiot. Reality check: The Russian Federation still possesses nuclear weapons and the conventional force to make the EU have a real bad day. The last thing the world needs is a loving ground war in Eastern Europe. You're mad.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:49
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Guy Goodbody posted:I never said it would be fun. But when a country threatens our sovereignty, they don't get to keep theirs You are bafflingly historically illiterate. Also: M_Gargantua posted:They can threaten enough to cause casualties, never win, and NATO would crush them during the counter invasion and russia would no longer exist as we knew it. Nuclear is the only option Russia has besides losing. This. There's no scenario where a ground war against the Russian Federation doesn't go nuclear. We should not go to war with Russia Jesus Christ.
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Nov 1, 2016 17:52
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Guy Goodbody posted:The correct way to get Russia to stop doing that stuff is to install a pro-America leader. Not cut off the internet. Take a big pair of scissors to the one internet cable that goes into Russia. You don't see a lot of North Koreans posting on Reddit, but their country hasn't turned into a good place because of that You seriously think we should attempt regime change on Russia. RUSSIA. Bush who? Iraq what? We couldn't successfully install a pro-American government in a third rate Middle Eastern power and you think we could do it in RUSSIA?
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Nov 1, 2016 18:01
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BarbarianElephant posted:Why would Bloomberg have got any votes at all? Only New Yorkers know who he is, and they aren't too positive about him either. He's too liberal for the Republicans and too conservative for the Democrats. He would've been an old white dude who's not openly racist but also not Jewish or "socialist." He probably could've been an effective spoiler candidate.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:06
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Nov 1, 2016 18:13
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I don't see any point to saying making fun of Russians is racist unless you are trying to claim some pedantic "cracker is just as bad as the n-word thing" Historically people of Eastern European and Slavic ethnicities (of which there are many) were discriminated against in the same vein as Polish/Irish/Italian people were. Hitler was rather well known for this.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:36
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah and making fun of the Irish isn't really racism either. White dudes dunking on either white dues is a pretty tepid definition for racism. It might not be now but it was a hundred years ago. I would also argue that there's enough hateful stereotypes and power differential between white Americans and Eastern Europeans for it to qualify as racism. Not all racism is created equally.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:39
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BarbarianElephant posted:The people of the UK are pretty loving racist against Polish people (that was the big driver of Brexit, really.) Indeed. But let us go back to happily dismissing that while people unironically equivocate the Russian government with the Russian people who functionally don't have a say in said government.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:42
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computer parts posted:I severely doubt anyone in the US is saying "those loving Latvians" who aren't about a generation removed from being from the area themselves. No but there is presently in this thread people blaming the people of Russia for their lovely authoritarian government and openly calling for war with them so...
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Nov 1, 2016 18:43
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Talmonis posted:How would I be limited in any meaningful way if I could not access Russian websites (honestly, I'd rather avoid the inevitable ransomware)? The same goes for Russians accessing ours. Do you really have no concept of what American hegemony means? Of course not. Nevermind that the people of Russia aren't getting quality information about what their government actually does and have little to no control over it. Don't blame a captive populace for the actions of their lovely government.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:45
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WampaLord posted:Oh my god this is the third avatar change I've had in 2 hours. Someone has a breathtaking blue balls fetish for you, bro. OddObserver posted:The truth is in the middle! No, really: Russian citizens have poor access to information, poor ability to control things, yet they are not totally uninformed and a lot of them really do endorse the actions of the Putin regime. I didnt say we should absolve Putin supporters. I said they don't have a meaningful say in what their government does and conflating the Russian people with their government is stupid. BarbarianElephant posted:I've heard a lot of Trumpista's characterizing the Democrat skepticism of slavishly devoting ourselves to the will of the Great Putin as calling for war with Russia. I don't know where they are getting it from, unless they think that Putin is so unstable that he will go to war with the USA over a little light snubbing, which I don't think he is. He wants Ukraine, not global thermonuclear war. We don't have to suck his cock. I don't like Putin. We don't need to go to war with Russia to retaliate for their shenanigans in our election.
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Nov 1, 2016 18:49
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Why are so many polls coming out good for Hillary but 538 is slowly going down?  Also lmao it figures non-serviam would be a no war but the class war, won't somebody think of the poor white male progressives type? 
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Nov 2, 2016 20:14
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I know I'm late to "will Hillary run in 2020?" chat but my big fear is that Bill dies in the next two odd years and she just says gently caress it and peaces out. 
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Nov 2, 2016 23:05
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FactsAreUseless posted:You think Hillary "I WILL be President" Clinton would turn down the chance at a second term? If my longtime spouse and partner died while I was in high office I wouldn't be overly keen to keep dealing with all the bullshit. I guess she's more motivated than me tho.
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Nov 2, 2016 23:12
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Craptacular! posted:Kind of. I look at wealth redistribution as similar to any other resource: the entire world can't live as well as Americans do, and to try to accommodate them means Americans will have to make do with less. I am completely down with hoarding our nation's good things to build the best society we can and being FYGM to the rest of the world outside our borders. Ahaha go get hosed you rear end in a top hat. You're literal garbage. Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Bill's doing great healthwise as far as I've seen. He had some heart trouble a few years ago but changed up his diet and hasn't had any trouble since. Anyway, I think the deathbed entreaty of either one of them would be for the surviving spouse to continue on their work. Power couples don't play around. I hope so. 
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Craptacular! posted:Kind of. I look at wealth redistribution as similar to any other resource: the entire world can't live as well as Americans do, and to try to accommodate them means Americans will have to make do with less. I am completely down with hoarding our nation's good things to build the best society we can and being FYGM to the rest of the world outside our borders. Like I'm going to requote this because it's so monumentally stupid and basically banalityofevil.txt. Gee guys I have no meaningful grasp of economics or international trade or history, I'm just afraid if we help all those poor people the First World is responsible for making poor in the first place I might not get to live a comfortable upscale lifestyle anymore. Go gently caress yourself you stupid prick.
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My Linux Rig posted:If it was a steady pattern of posts that did that, then yeah that's hosed up, but I don't think two posts constitutes a pattern He literally has retweeted a Twitter named white genocide you jackass. Also that Clinton ad makes me very sad.
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Nov 3, 2016 00:02
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The Cubs win, yay making GBS threads on the other team with a racist lovely name. I don't care about baseball. loving bitchass Cubs should've won last year so the Back to the Future 2 prophecy could be fulfilled.  Edit: I don't believe they're going to indict Hillary until the DOJ actually announces it. I call bullshit. Also gently caress the FBI.
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Nov 3, 2016 06:05
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holy poo poo Nate Silver is such an rear end in a top hat lmao Out of curiosity, do we know who he is voting for? Has he ever said?
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Nov 3, 2016 06:19
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Phone posted:Cross posting from c-spam:  In exclusive interview with the mouthpiece of the Russian government, Julian Assange insists he isn't getting his info from the Russian government. 
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Nov 3, 2016 06:43
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This is kind of cute and silly but also dumb because it buys into the implicit assumption that Hillary and the Democrats are equally bad as Republicans but just not in control.
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Nov 3, 2016 09:28
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Roland Jones posted:It's not at all serious, is the thing. Like, it's pretty clear to me that it's meant to be a joke, not a serious 1:1 comparison. Well yeah it is a joke. It's just a dumb joke. I will give him credit for the Obama joke tho. 
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Nov 3, 2016 09:30
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Samfucius posted:You guys are nice and all for trying to create a nice Clinton-is-totally-gonna-win zone, but you seem a lot like the Romney thread four years ago when the rest of the country is saying this: You realize that, that map has Hillary winning right? For Trump to win he has to take Pennsylvania or Colorodo. Neither of those is within his reach. Florida, Ohio, and NC aren't good enough.
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cant cook creole bream posted:The likeliest path would actually be this plus New Hampshire and Maine's stupid district, for exactly 270. Donald Trump has a better shot at winning PA than NH and he's not going to win either.
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Nov 3, 2016 10:17
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In between "Bernie would've totally done better guys " number 998, I saw a poll showing Clinton up in Ohio, which I feel should be a bigger deal than we seem to be making out of it.
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DICKS FOR DINNER posted:Reuters/IPSOS state polls are snapshots of their national polls, not individually conducted. They're kind of shaky methodology. Oh was it that lovely poll? Boo. 
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Nov 3, 2016 16:45
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I will admit that looking at the most recent polling I don't take a Clinton victory for granted anymore. I'm not thrilled that a lovely Republican appointee basically poo poo all over Democrat electoral success this year and I hope they learn not to appoint Republicans to anything ever again from this.
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Nov 3, 2016 16:46
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DICKS FOR DINNER posted:It put her +7 nationally, if it helps! Well that's good. I'm not sure how I feel about the "is 538 accurate" debate but I'd rather look at the conservative estimation and be concerned than the nah guys we're totes gonna win estimation and then be really depressed on Tuesday night.
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Nov 3, 2016 16:50
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Nov 3, 2016 17:46
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WampaLord posted:I do, and still have problems with it, and I resent being lumped in with idiots who think Nate is a pollster. somebody is a big old rear end in a top hat aren't they?
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Nov 3, 2016 18:21
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I will say if NH and Maine tie the race and make Trump the President I personally vote we cut them off the coast Bugs Bunny style.
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