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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

smug n stuff posted:

I was referring to the most recent Weiner stuff. Is the whole, "the emails were neither to or from HRC" thing accurate, and if so, why are people caring?

Because it was phrased to give as much news cycle as possible where it was just FBI says relevant emails found so all the republican talking heads could breathlessly speculate about how this time it had to be the iceberg that would sink hillary.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

wait people actually donated to NC GOP because of the firebomb?

Yep. Because there are some dems who insist on projecting basic human decency on their opponents.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Koalas March posted:

Basic human decency like financially aiding and abetting, racists, sexist anti lgbt lawmakers

I meant that they're in denial about that poo poo and believe that it's acceptable differences of opinion or some genteel fiction because they never looked outside the protective shell of their own privilege.

Believe me, I'm utterly loving livid at this flaming loving cesspit of a state and I'm trying to stay away from discussing my opinions of that biblefelcher McCrory so I don't give myself carpal tunnel typing ten pages on my phone.


tsa posted:

Oh look at Internet tough guy here cry some more about being probated for being a complete rear end in a top hat!

Oh loving no someone with skin in the game isn't coddling you about being right. Boo loving hoo.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Alec Bald Snatch posted:

you're obviously not from north carolina

the ncgop has no human decency

there's a reason they were completely ignored back when dems ran the place

Already clarified I don't agree with the NCGOP having any contact with basic human decency.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Huh so I just learned that I'm in the number two county in NC for number of voters disenrolled by the challenge bullshit.

Thanks for reminding me I am physically located in and sleep in this testament to the horror show that is the US southeast.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Cingulate posted:

They go low, you go high. They go low again, you go high again.
If you go low, you're them.

Failure to act against something is tacit support of it. loving sending money to it is definitely support of it. When that party literally has a platform of disenfranchisement and opposition of human rights, supporting it is supporting the undermining of democracy and human rights. There's a loving reason Germany's democracy has means to defend itself.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Oh hey cool they're still trying to prevent college students from voting in loving North Carolina. loving amazing how they're trying to poo poo up the actually good universities they've got set up as a honeypot so suckers go there for an education and end up staying in the state.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.


Don't worry the gamblers fallacy was just rolling out the ones.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Golden State won the Western Conference after down 3-1 having less than 20% chance to win
The Cavaliers won the NBA title after down 3-1 having less than a 20% chance to win
Seahawks vs. Cardinals ended in a draw after two missed field goals at the 25 range which has about a 15% chance of happening both times
There are two tie games in the NFL despite their being a 1% chance of it happening
The Cubs may win the World Series after being down 3-1 and having a 16% chance to win

What I am saying is, we are well due for the probable thing to happen

There will always be some unlikely things happening. Drawing a bullseye around exactly how things happened doesn't mean that unlikely things are actually happening more than expected.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

call to action posted:

All the articles talking about how bad Trump is just make the fact that there's a 1-in-3 chance she'll lose pretty pathetic

When taken as a whole, so's America. It literally doesn't matter, got to vote your team.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Who What Now posted:

Also VIII is the best FF. Come fight me IRL, nerds.

By the only objective standard, airship quality this is 100% true. Dragon spaceship time, suckers.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Crowsbeak posted:

Real RPG question? How often do you play not as your own gender?

I think it always can be interesting, like playing fallout 2 as a women and finding you occasionally cannot access parts of the game. Or being able to pursue a romance with Alistair in Dragon Age, and the friendship you can have with Lyanna just seems fun (alos I palyed my elf warrior as Buffy). Plus Femshep (who doesn't want the voice of Jennifer Hale)? Also for some reason I always felt Arcanum was best when playing as a female half elf mage fighter. Although outside an attempted female play through in fallout 2 I never have done female playthroughs of the others. (Fallout 1 because well I played fallout 2 first and the Manuel made it clear the vault dweller was a male). Finally I always play Kotor 2 as a women because even before it became canon (which now may not matter) it just seemed right to be a women for that role compared to my attempt to be some male character out of TOTJ.

Also I'd rather we do RPG chat then replay the Democratic primary chat.

When the character isn't just an avatar of me I always play the female option, probably for variety and also because men tend to be portrayed as a weird power fantasy. When it is an avatar I mix it up a bit, although for example kotor 2 I like the handmaiden more than disciple so I roll male.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Mr. Belding posted:

That is not the argument that I'm making. What I am saying is that if a weak candidate should lose to a strong candidate by a large margin and Donald Trump does not lose to HRC by a large margin, then either he is not a weak candidate or she is not a strong candidate. I believe he is a weak candidate therefore I am likely to believe that another Democrat would have been better. You would still be welcome to believe that they are both strong candidates or that they are both weak, but there is not another democrat who is stronger out there. You could not reasonably believe that he's a weak candidate and she is a strong candidate, if you accept that a weak candidate should lose to a strong one by a large margin (which is basically the only way those words are meaningful).

I hope that's clear. If it's not I can't help you.

There's only so much room for a large margin when a huge number of people would literally sell their souls to a monument to human vice to get the supreme court on their side against human rights.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

WampaLord posted:

I do, and still have problems with it, and I resent being lumped in with idiots who think Nate is a pollster.

E: OH GODDAMMIT

Hey if you want I'll pass you a tenner so you can soak the idiot doing that for twenty.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

WampaLord posted:

You know who it is?

Nope but I know it's an idiot!

You could also roll with it. It is kind of 100% trophy rage av material. Honestly as it stands, that picture should just be publicly stated to be the official got a bad person mad avatar.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

WeAreTheRomans posted:

I was a STEM major, am white, and liked Bernie over Clinton in the primaries. I don't sense any of this victimisation which is supposedly overwhelming you. Perhaps you need to harden the gently caress up

It's really weird how so many people who fit these categories don't get any of the hate. I wonder if there's some other category that the ones who get it fit into.

Also if half the people talking crap about STEM aren't in it themselves, I'm gonna be real surprised, cause a ton of us (me included!) are white stemlords.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Isn't that basically just Poison Ivy?

Yeah, but the comic book fans inexplicably treat him totally differently.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Lol if you want me to believe you aren't going to spend your entire life backing whatever white man tells you nothing you dislike about your life is your fault. You came here apparently completely out of the blue to let us all know you're just Feeling So Attacked Right Now because at some unspecified point in the past someone said something critical about polo shirts with backpack strap wrinkles as a lifestyle choice.

Wow, ouch, this stings irl.


Bhaal posted:

As someone who's been writing software professionally for ~14 years I can confirm a majority of it is janitorial type work of connecting Tab A into Slot B like it tells you to in the manual. It might seem fancy and cerebral to an outsider who isn't familiar with the tools and concepts and so on, but we have to engage our brains a similar amount of time to any other profession. Once you're no longer entry level, most of what you do is solve problems you've experienced before, it's just that can manifest in a million different variations.

Though plumber would be a way more accurate comparison than janitor IMO

Yeah this sounds about right. A lot of things could theoretically be done by automation, but software lends itself to licensing middleware for a huge amount of the non-unique work, and it's putting together different things with similar pieces, with all that says for career field longevity.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

STEM grads have a nasty habit of screeching about how anyone who didn't get a STEM degree has a low IQ and deserves any labor abuse that happens to them because survival of the fittest. If you can't see why it's relevant to point out to people who do that sort of thing that they aren't immune to misfortune I bet there's a lot of points you miss.

Yeah, this is an annoying thing and why I never actually identify with my degree in a positive sense, because screw the people who try to use it to get off on other people's suffering.

xthetenth fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 3, 2016

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Radish posted:

I'm looking forward to the Jetson's future Silicon Valley libertarians have promised where every job is automated so I only have to work a few hours a week then come home to my awesome sky mansion and robot maid.

This'd be super cool if we could you know actually make a welfare state that works rather than jerking ourselves off about being a slightly more useful cog in the machine that will get replaced a bit later.

Covok posted:

Moe or non-moe?

Larry preferred, Shemp acceptable as well.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

BeanBandit posted:

I really enjoyed the liberal arts courses I took during undergrad, and I honestly believe that liberal arts courses should be pushed more strongly on STEM majors in the interest of generating more well-rounded graduates.

This is a 100% good opinion.


WeAreTheRomans posted:

It's mostly fellow STEMlords mocking the cliché of the internet STEMlords, and simultaneously getting fun out of the word STEMlord itself. At least, that's what it is for me

Pretty much.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Lightning Knight posted:

I am a social science major and I hate that math and hard sciences are gen ed requirements because I suck at math and it's a complete waste of my time to make me take math or science above a high school level when I don't want to teach those things. Does that make me a bad person?

It's not perfect, some level of statistics and scientific literacy would likely be useful, but it's a lot better than I want to be a big fancy person who makes big decisions and have no idea what the world is or how it works. Also I want to vote.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Lightning Knight posted:

I mean I do have to take statistics and that doesn't bother me. I love science actually I just have no grasp of math past the pre-algebra level and I hate it. But I'm also smart enough to be like oh cool when a real scientist is like yo this is how black holes work or

Stats is the one higher level math course that is really useful to properly understanding the world. The rest is backing for specialist education.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

BeanBandit posted:

I know, man. I loving know. I get it, and I hate it.

I get it. STEM does attract some of the worst kind of libertarian, FYGM assholes, and it shouldn't be that way. This year especially, I desperately want to make people understand that it's not my field of study or career that's opposed to women or people of color or LGBT.

Do you have any advice on how to work towards that and make things better? I pride myself on my intelligence, but this is a nut I don't know how to crack. :(

It's an absolute ton of small stuff that I really don't think I can properly get across in a small post, but keep in mind concerns of people who aren't white guys. Amplify their voice so they don't get drowned out and their ideas taken credit for. If you get a chance point out the issue with things like a hiring policy that's striving for absolute 100% certainty (that more than minimizing risk it's maximizing for implicit bias). When dealing with people outside the field, create an impression of a better field and when inside it try to live up to it.

I'm sure people who aren't white dudes have others and I'd love it if they contributed them.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Yeah they got wise after last time


My grandmother was a feminist before she knew that was a term, and her understanding of feminism was very simple: "There's no such thing as 'just for boys.'" She was an english teacher, and she spent her whole life taking a hammer to any glass ceiling her students hit. Way before Title IX she fought to get girls into sports. When the local little league team barred one of her female students from joining she checked a book about baseball out of the library and started an all-girl team, coaching them herself. She kept a list of female firsts her students had achieved - first runner in a local marathon, first city councilwoman, and she would read that list at the start of the school year and ask her kids what they wanted to add to the list. Former students of hers would come by and add to the list up until the day she died. We read the whole three-ring binder of them at her funeral.

Don't be depressed. She planted those trees knowing we'd be the ones who got to sit in their shade.

She's super cool, we owe her a great debt, and I think that without people like her doing that, I can't be sure I'd feel the same way, so I owe her a great debt personally.

mcmagic posted:

Why? Latinos would be voting in droves against Trump no matter who the dem nominee is.

Do you take it for granted that any candidate would have pulled the incoherent gibbering madness out of trump as well as Hillary?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

My Linux Rig posted:

I guess that's where the Ghostbusters question came from :frog:

Oh no someone didn't like Ghostbusters it must because the cast is all women!!

Oh god how does that work so well. That exact reply every time and they care so much.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Endorph posted:

I think it's okay to just dislike a movie, even one with a lot of feminist leanings, without it necessarily being misogyny. There's a lot of legitimate flaws in the film. If your reasons are like 'a lot of the jokes didn't land' 'some of the actors were completely wasted' etc then yeah whatever, those are not misogynist reasons.

Every single feminist leaning movie is feminist movies as a whole is exactly the rigged game people create to defend the status quo, don't sweat not liking one because that leaning isn't the entire movie.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.


Saying that a movie with some type of better representation being anything other than good is a strike against all movies with better representation is the other side of the coin from asking if not liking a movie with better representation means you don't like that representation.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

The poor consultant tried to argue for a shorter hashtag because of character limits, but that was shot down

:downs: "Our characters have no limits! That's the point!"

*conference room thunders with applause*

Oh he got paid to put up with them.

Pour soul got robbed.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Spaced God posted:

https://twitter.com/jameswest2010/status/794275478303604737
North Carolina is a good state full of good people



...:smithicide:

God I hope we bury the miserable fucksticks. I want to see McCrory go down in such massive loving flames the Hindenberg goes :drat:.

Also did you catch how university voting is down sharply after they went out of their way to make early voting as inconvenient as possible?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Mc Do Well posted:

That is exactly what has been going on since it became law but the Democrats are too good for ~conspiracy theories~

Yeah the whole hyped up rate increase in early November was not loving subtle.

Remind me to post some of the amazing shitshow that is McCrory accepting an award for how good a job Medicaid did in NC the same day he sabotaged obamacare by refusing subsidies because it wasn't in a good state for expansion.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Trabisnikof posted:

You make sure your former employee who is now the governor covers it up for you?

loving North Carolina.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Have you played Pillars of Eternity yet? Because that could kill your free time between now and then.

Any game that presents theocide as flippantly as that one is loving awesome.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Ningyou posted:

Nope, but I'm kind of bad at getting around to playing CRPGs other than the Shadowrun games.

Is the story interesting or just kinda long?

It's cool, and it does interesting things with the setting in a similar way to the shadowrun games (god those are good). Eder is every bit as cool a character as Glory or Gaichu.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Craptacular! posted:

It's all really odd to me, who started out with a 1200bps modem and a subscription to the AppleLink service that hadn't yet been sold and renamed AOL. I still believe the internet is at it's best when you can say anything that isn't illegal with no attachment to your real life identity and at worst disconnect and suffer no consequences beyond the realm of your computer screen. But that requires both good regulation of what is/isn't illegal, which is always difficult, and everyone to play along and understand that words are extra meaningless when they appear on a computer screen. And increasingly the public isn't playing along with that, and instead is writing their worst thoughts with their real names attached.

That's the sort of environment where the alt-right spawned and where you pay for their presence with them driving out significantly cooler people who don't feel the need to go and get abused.

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Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Craptacular! posted:

The idea of playing Internet detective and calling/mailing/death threatening people off internet posts didn't happen too frequently pre-2002 or so. That has more to do with the nature of "FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: Secret Muslim?" email culture of unafraid racists airing their racist opinions, spilling out into an internet populace that increasingly has a profile with their real actual DMV-registered name out there somewhere.

It gets worse now, since previously you could throw away emails from Racist Grandma or try to set her straight in a 1:1 conversation, but now Facebook thinks all your friends and all her friends should see it in their news feeds and invite them to chime in.

That's not what I was citing, I was citing how incredibly lovely people can congregate and bring back the sort of racism that had been shamed into the unuttered corners of society, justify it and promote it. When you've got the weight of society behind you, it's a lot easier to abuse people until they disengage so unless you've got committed anti-racists, the racists will drive all the minorities out. Frankly, the shitheads who thrive aren't worth it even if they drive nobody out, that they drive out decent people is just making things much worse (hah, tb, I used frankly there what're you going to do about it).

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Nessus posted:

This is kind of a general thing, isn't it? Because it takes relatively few shitheads to really gently caress up the group. It's one thing if you get the occasional salty outburst but it's another when it's just a constant torrent of repetitive shitposting.

Yeah, you either need a cohesive group opposed to it, good moderation policy or both, because otherwise you start suffering attrition and before you know it a lot of people have been driven out.

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Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Axetrain posted:

If those numbers are accurate thats alot more than 4 times as many.

Plus I'd expect the workload would scale both with the complexity and size of the nation, which would make things harder regardless.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

John Franklin Stephens
The hardest thing about having an intellectual disability is the loneliness. We process information slower than everyone else. So even normal conversation is a constant battle for us not to lose touch with what the rest of you are saying. Most of the time the words and thoughts just go too fast for us to keep up, and when we finally say something it seems out of place.

We are aware when all the rest of you stop and just look at us. We are aware when you look at us and just say, “unh huh,” and then move on, talking to each other. You mean no harm, but you have no idea how alone we feel even when we are with you.

That is why I love being a Global Messenger. I work for days telling my dad what I want to talk about and he tries to write it down for me. Then we do it over and over until we have something that says what I mean. We wrote this letter the same way.

So, what’s wrong with “retard”? I can only tell you what it means to me and people like me when we hear it. It means that the rest of you are excluding us from your group. We are something that is not like you and something that none of you would ever want to be. We are something outside the “in” group. We are someone that is not your kind.

Thanks.

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Dec 30, 2012

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WeAreTheRomans posted:

Thai surf-rock (Actually a legit genre)

You link that poo poo right now.

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Dec 30, 2012

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Cingulate posted:

And the way things are going, in 200 years, the average human being will look back at people like us ITT and consider us horrible backwards monsters for things we simply cannot even see right now.

That's honestly something I'm resigned to. Frankly I admit to being a racist because no matter how hard I work against it it's baked into my subconscious reactions to things as a guy who was raised in America on American media. That's not going to change even if I do a perfect job of keeping it from influencing my actions, and no matter how I try I'm not going to be able to make myself be aware of all the subtle bigotries I have to police from my behavior.

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