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Tie-breaker for serial you'd most like to find an episode from
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The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 33 44.59%
The Highlanders 41 55.41%
Total: 74 votes
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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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After The War posted:

...are you a drummer? If so, I may have to press you into service.

I have no musical skills other than a voice that my church keeps trying to impress into the choir.

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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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It also gave us Colin Baker in the Sixth Doctor's best costume.

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CommonShore posted:

One thing Revelation had going for me is that some of favourite Who characters are the Orcini types - competent in their own right and seeming as if they may have been almost able to solve the problems on their own, meaning that the Doctor participates instead of simply appearing and solving everything for everyone. Orcini and Bostock may have not been the best example, but for me it was refreshing to see a plot resolved by the Doctor's participation rather than by his godlike intervention.

If that distinction at all makes sense. I haven't caffeinated yet today.

Now that I think about it, there were quite a few Peter Davison plots that unfolded like that. My mind first went to Black Orchid, though.

I think I get what your saying. You like stories where the situation is almost solved, but the Doctor provides that little extra push that turns it up to 11.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Chokes McGee posted:

I was watching some modern day vampire hunter B-movie nonsense on Syfy a year or two ago. The vampire hunter veteran in the film had an Irish accent, so I looked him over and was like, wow, it's Generic David Tennant. They couldn't get the real one?

I found out later it was the real one.

Always remember the David Tennant rule: If you think it's David Tennant, it's David Tennant.

You better not be dissing the Fright Night remake. :colbert:

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Rhyno posted:

If you guys do not stop talking poo poo about Sixth Doctor episodes there will be consequences.

I don't know what you're talking about, I love The One Doctor, Jubilee, and Arrangements for War.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Merry Christmas, everyone!

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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It was Silver Age as hell, I laughed, and nothing bothered or offended me. It was the appetizer for a full course of Doctor Who in 2017. Would recommend.

The only thing that even slightly irked me was "man, Moffat had to bring up River ONE more time, didn't he?"

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Back in the classic era, how long did an episode like, say, The Seeds of Doom take to write?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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I've forgotten how to write a review! drat this hiatus!

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Oct 21, 2009

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The Doctor joins forces with a masked Superhero for an epic New York adventure!

With brain-swapping aliens poised to attack, the Doctor and Nardole link up with an investigative reporter and a mysterious figure known only as The Ghost…

Peter Capaldi is the Doctor in The Return of Doctor Mysterio.

Cast
The Doctor - Peter Capaldi
Nardole - Matt Lucas
Grant - Justin Chatwin
Lucy - Charity Wakefield
Mr Brock - Tomiwa Edun
Dr Sim - Aleksandar Jovanovic
Young Grant - Logan Hoffman
Teen Grant - Daniel Lorente
Reporter - Sandra Teles
Operator - Tanroh Ishida
Soldier - Vaughn Johseph

Producer: Peter Bennett
Writer: Steven Moffat
Director: Ed Bazalgette
Original Broadcast: 25 December 2016

Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9caU8yjJmk

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After a year-long hiatus that I personally blame for everything that’s happened in 2016, Doctor Who makes its return to the airwaves with a light-hearted Christmas episode that has very little to do with the holiday season. The Return of Doctor Mysterio is a simple and straight-forward affair, a superhero stories riddled with Silver Age clichés involving aliens with a flimsy plan for world domination crossed with a sappy love story. It’s not the most memorable or top-flight episode. Instead, The Return of Doctor Mysterio serves as a light appetizer that sates the 12-month hunger in anticipation for the upcoming season.

Nearly a quarter of a century ago, a young child named Grant has a chance Christmas Eve meeting on a rooftop with a strange alien. The alien, a strange being who Grant christens Doctor Mysterio, possesses a gemstone that utilizes the power of a distant star to grant whoever holds it their fondest wish. Upon accidentally swallowing the gemstone, the crystal bounds with Grant’s DNA, thus providing him with his greatest desire – the power to be a superhero!

In modern day New York, intrepid reporter Lucy Fletcher is digging into the background of Harmony Shoals, a seemingly benevolent multinational research corporation that hides a dark secret. Joined in her investigations by a mysterious man calling himself the Doctor, it appears that their attempts to uncover the truth will lead to their demise at the hands of Harmony Shoals’ true caretakers, an alien race with a diabolical scheme to take over the Earth! Only one person can assist Lucy and the Doctor to bring the aliens’ mad plan to a screeching halt – the super-powered vigilante known only as THE GHOST!




This is Steven Moffat’s seventh Doctor Who Christmas special, as well as the first original episode of the series to air in over a year (I’m not counting the restoration of The Power of the Daleks). It would be very easy for one to think “THIS is the episode it took a year to write? Man, Season 4 of Sherlock better be the television equivalent of Crime and Punishment.” The plot of The Return of Doctor Mysterio is right out of a comic book – boy gains superpowers, boy grows into man, man becomes hero, hero keeps secret identity from the love of his life, hero saves the world – with elements of Doctor Who spliced into provide just a little bit of meta awareness without going overboard. Moffat doesn’t dig too deep into his bag of tricks for this one. There aren’t any time travel motifs that require flowcharts to understand, nor are there any repeated mantras or everyday objects made creepy. The threatening aliens are the “split their own head open aliens” from The Husbands of River Song who call themselves the Shoal of the Winter Harmony. Their plan to take over the world…it’s original, though the more one thinks about it the more unlikely it becomes. Most of the aspects of the Ghost and Lucy Fletcher are lifted directly from Richard Donner’s film version of Superman, down to the rooftop interview and the hero, whose civilian persona is a part of the reporter’s everyday life, hiding his identity behind a pair of glasses. The dialogue is fast and pithy, the stakes are ridiculously high, and the climax all comes down to the Ghost/Grant doing something that would be absolutely eye-rolling in any other situation but absolutely perfect for this episode, even if the actual denouement is a bit too rushed and pat for my tastes.

Straight forward, clichéd, non-offensive…and it’s NOT a bad thing. Moffat isn’t trying to rewrite the comic book movie, he’s paying homage to it. The Return of Doctor Mysterio is light-hearted fun, which is a nice contrast to the ultra-heavy DC Universe movies that have come out in the past years. It also serves to poke fun at some of the comic book clichés, like the geeky guy pining for the girl for years on end also with juggling being a superhero while also being the nanny to an infant (“Some situations are just TOO stupid to be allowed go on!”).

After his turn as Goku in the cinematic disaster that was Dragonball Evolution, Justin Chatwin (who also starred in four season of Shameless) nails both the over-the-top earnest nature of the hero called the Ghost and the mild mannerisms of Grant Gordon, supernanny, bouncing effortlessly between the two with a low-key energy. Although the Nice Guy tropes seep in and make Gordon come off as a little creepy, which thankfully the Doctor calls him out on.

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Grant: A couple of years after high school, I ran into her again. She even remembered me.

The Doctor: Oh, that was lucky.

Grant: And I was with my best friend at the time, and she couldn't take her eyes off him.

The Doctor: Okay.

Grant: Love at first sight.

The Doctor: Right.

Grant: Then marriage, then a baby... and then he ran off with someone else.

The Doctor: Leaving, I suppose, the field open for you to move in...

Grant: Yeah.

The Doctor: …and care for the child she'd had by another man.

Grant: Yeah.

The Doctor: So she could keep working and possibly date other friends of yours.

Grant: Pretty much.

The Doctor: You tiger! Thank you.

Grant: Who are you thanking?

The Doctor: The universe. There's somebody worse at this than me.


Fortunately the chemistry between Chatwin and Charity Wakefield as Lucy Fletcher helps balance that factor out. Wakefield plays the part of the intrepid reporter to a T – inquisitive, clever, daring, and failing to notice the biggest story in the city is staring her RIGHT in the face from behind a pair of glasses. But more importantly, Lucy introduces what just might be the most promising new character of the upcoming series…



I love the look on Capaldi's face. It's like the Doctor's finally seen something he's never seen before.

When it was revealed that Matt Lucas would be returning to the show as Nardole, the fans were…a little split. Aside from the fact that Nardole had his HEAD CUT OFF in The Husbands of River Song, to some Lucas is an acquired taste. Fortunately, Nardole turns out to be a strong counterpart to the Doctor as the pair engage in some perfectly-timed-for-Christmas panto back-and-forth dialogue and styling. He also gets a “companion” moment by being grabbed and put in peril by the rubber arm of an alien reaching through a door to grab him as well as getting a heroic moment when he saves the Doctor from Harmony Shoals by materializing the TARDIS around him.



After the final scene with the Doctor and River in The Husbands of River Song, it was great to see Peter Capaldi come out with a smile on his face in full-on Doctor mode. Capaldi just seems to be having a lot of fun with this episode as he engages in the standard Doctor clichés – showing up suddenly and acting like he owns the place, drawing strangers into his orbit by being both charming and infuriating, giving the bad guys one chance to run before he stops them, defending the Earth on Christmas, and calling people out on their stupidity when given the opportunity.




Moffat could have given fans a dour and brooding Doctor, one who spent the past twenty-four years with River Song before she died. Instead, we get a madly dashing Doctor whose best plan to stop a spaceship from crashing into New York City is to do something completely unexpected (“What’s Plan B?” “I don’t know, but it’s going to be a very big relief when I think of it!”). After everything with Clara, Me, and River Song, it really feels like the Doctor has managed to move on to a new chapter…which is weirdly Moffat’s final chapter.

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Things end. That's all. Everything ends. And it's always sad. But everything begins again too, and that's always happy. Be happy. I'll look after everything else.



The Return of Doctor Mysterio is just that – the return of the Doctor to our televisions, with a light-hearted, low-stakes, and just plain fun episode. Nothing heavy, nothing draining, just a madman, his box. In short, everything Doctor Who can and should be, but with the added bonus of a superhero saving New York City.

Random Thoughts
- The scene where the Ghost takes his mask off and Charity keeps missing the fact that it’s really Grant made me chuckle.
- The Doctor is on the roof of Grant’s New York apartment building to fix the time distortions caused by the events The Angels Take Manhattan.
- Lucy Fletcher’s maiden name? Lucy Lombard. Lois Lane anyone?
- I appreciated how Brock suggests the reporters at the press conference throw their questions to “Miss Shuster and Ms. Siegel.” Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster are known as the creators of Superman.
- Oh, and the Harmony Shoals building, with the big globe on top? Come on, it’s The Daily Planet!
- Hey look, it’s UNIT! And one of them dies almost immediately!



Cobi’s Synopsis – The Silver Age shines through as The Return of Doctor Mysterio pays homage to comic books with a light-hearted episode bursting with superhero clichés and thrilling heroics.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Carbon dioxide posted:

D'you happen to have any more gifs of the episode?

See the post below. No one GIF's like Jerusalem. Having to search Tumblr for GIFS was...less than pleasant.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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So what's the difference between The Daily Mail and The Sun?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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DoctorWhat posted:

That'd be the Transformers Megathread in BSS.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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The_Doctor posted:

Hello from the far off year of 2017! :toot:

How does the future look?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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BSam posted:

Oh it's a new year.

I don't like it.

Doctor: Ah, Bsam!! Congratulations, you are today's lucky winner! Ace, tell the man what he's won.

Ace: A complete set of explanations for the Professor here! And you have no idea what a rare and precious thing that is...

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Look, I just want someone to build a wall and keep the Cybermen out.

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Oct 21, 2009

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Wheat Loaf posted:

I liked the telemovies with Noah Wyle, though I understand he's not in the series (busy with Falling Skies, I suppose).

Falling Skies finished last year, and don't get me started on a show with such wasted potential...

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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apophenium posted:

Who are some of the most consistent writers for Big Finish? I'm interested in checking out more from Jonathan Morris cause I thought Flip Flop was interesting.

Right now it's Matt Fitton, who's just been on fire.

For the older stuff, I have two who stand out.

Steve Lyons - Colditz, Time Works, Blood of the Dragon, the Architects of History.
Alan Barnes - Storm Warning, Neverland, The Girl Who Never Was, which are Charley's introduction, the conclusion of Charley's big character arc, and Charley's final adventure with Eight. Also Heroes of Sontar.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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BSam posted:

Oh no, you are going to sing!

Yes, I am.

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Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

The 12 Days of Christmas promotion is over and as usual they've done a repeat day for everything, so I could buy what I needed in one go. Looking forward to River Song Volume 2... it's got Colin Baker in it! :swoon:

They brought back Commander Maxil?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

It was Quatermass :getin:

Every time I see that name I still, after all these years, think it's missing an 'R.'

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

For anybody who doesn't know, Three Men in a Bathtub is NOT an exaggeration and the show ran for something like 30+ years :allears:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8033577/Rub-a-dub-dub-three-gay-men-in-a-tub.html

It's proof of RTD's Big Gay Agenda!

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Ah, Jerusalem. Welcome back. I've...we've been waiting for you.



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Oct 21, 2009

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After The War posted:

:psyduck: Stop, I'm already having trouble keeping track of what thread I'm in!

It's 2017 and we've got a Doctor with attack eyebrows. Does that help?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Oh for God's sake. :(

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Rhyno posted:

I dare you guys to go watch his final scene in Day of the Doctor right now and not cry.

I was playing Lego Dimensions and my character regenerated into the War Doctor. I had to put down the controller and walk away for a minute or two.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Three seasons? Well, that is following the Troughton Rule.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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How about the one guy who is always on those quiz shows that people really seem to like?

Jimmy Carr?

Richard Ayoade

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Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

This is also another golden opportunity to get Dylan Moran, Bill Bailey and Tamsin Greig to play the Doctor, Master and Companion.

Which plays which? Well they alternate between the roles not just from episode but scene to scene (sometimes they change roles DURING scenes)

Fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

"Do you want me to come? I'll come Fran! Fran I'll come!"

Welp gotta rewatch all of Black Books again now. On the plus side.... that doesn't take very long to do :smith:

It's $99 bucks on Amazon...at least you CAN watch it.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Bicyclops posted:

:stare: drat. I hope Netflix doesn't drop it.

Oh drat it's on Netflix?

I know what I'm doing once I beat Resident Evil 7.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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King Plum the Nth posted:


In any event, I can't miss a chance to repost this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPK7raS8Mos

Whoa. Cool. I was expecting this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=josI9YR45dI

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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The end starts 15 April 2017 - the airdate for the season/series premiere.

They also have the list of writers for the season – a great writer (Jamie Mathieson, Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline), a classic writer (Rona Munro, Survival) and an “oh dear God no” writer (Peter Harness, The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion, and his episode is a two-parter co-written with Moffat).

CobiWann fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Feb 2, 2017

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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I'm willing to give Harness another chance. He did pen Kill the Moonoh crumbs...

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Oct 21, 2009

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cargohills posted:

Now, season 7 on the other hand...

I thought it was spelled "seasoun?"

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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My suggestions...

5th Doctor
Singularity – Five and Turlough in post-Soviet hyper-capitalist Russia, a great sci-fi bent and one hell of an ending that only Five could pull off.
The Kingmaker – A solid historical with a great premise, one of the best cliffhangers ever, and a good bit of humor running throughout.
The Gathering – Joseph Lidster finally puts “misery porn” to good use as we get Tegan’s last (chronological) story.
Son of the Dragon – A pure historical, no sci-fi elements, and James Purefoy kills as Vlad Tepes.

6th Doctor
Arrangements for War – the closest Six will ever come to becoming “Time Lord Victorious” with a heartbreaker of an ending. Maybe the best Six/Evelyn story.
Thicker Than Water – a worthy follow-up to Arrangements for War with Mel thrown into the mix.
Year of the Pig – I can’t even begin to describe this one, but it’s well worth the pick-up.

7th Doctor
The Harvest – the introduction of Hex and a really well done Cyberman story.
Night Thoughts – an unproduced script from the classic series and a really well done ghost story.
Frozen Time – this is a personal choice, but I’m a sucker for the Ice Warriors, plus it’s a Seven travelling alone, closer to his regeneration into Eight and you can sense his weariness.

8th Doctor
Scherzo – The less said about this one, the better. An amazing piece of audio.
Faith Stealer – Probably the best look at religious extremism without being heavy-handed. All hail the Great Oops!
The Last – a great example of how to pen a dark and bleak story without resorting to “misery porn.”
Time Works – my favorite Eight story outside of The Chimes of Midnight with a society all about how you use the time given to you.
The Girl Who Never Was – not a perfect story, but the end of Charley’s time with Eight makes it worth the listen.

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And great review of the River Song boxset, J-Ru. Nice to see that outside the Main Range Big Finish can still put on a good story or two...

I'm actually a bit bummed. Work is so hectic here lately (I work at the United States Department of State - our new Secretary is really freakin' cool, but HIS boss is making things a loving nightmare) that I can't even bring myself to enjoy Doctor Who right now. I've tried to watch The Face of Evil three times this past month but just keep turning it off with a sigh and the UNIT/Silence boxset has been on my phone for two months.

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Whoa whoa, slow down their maestro. There's old Doctor Who?

CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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I...I loved Neverland...

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Oct 21, 2009

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Jerusalem posted:

:hfive:

Yeah there is actually a hell of a lot to point to as lacking or bad, but McGann is fantastic and the story just hits all the right emotional beats for me.

It really felt like a series finale, closing a story arc, Romana was great, and the way they "got rid" of dissidents with the Oubliette of Eternity...

Jerusalem posted:

Zagreus on the other hand.... :stare:

I...I hated Zagreus...

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CobiWann
Oct 21, 2009

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Ratspeaker posted:

Hey all - I haven't been in the Doctor Who threads here for a while, but I'm popping in to ask if anyone else is going to Regeneration Who. I had four people I was going to room and hang with, but they've all had to cancel, and going to conventions alone sucks :(

Was supposed to go this year, but we're in Florida that weekend - taking the kiddo to Universal Studios for her 12th birthday.

She's more excited to see the Jurassic Park ride than anything else. This may explain why she loves Dinosaurs on a Spaceship so much.

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