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Tie-breaker for serial you'd most like to find an episode from
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The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 33 44.59%
The Highlanders 41 55.41%
Total: 74 votes
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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Bicyclops posted:

Whoa, David Suchet is going to be in an episode this season? It's going to be weird seeing him play someone besides Poirot anymore. Pitting the Doctor against the famous Belgian detective is sure to stir up a real... Wasp's Nest. ;)

He was actually put up as one of the possible replacements of Tenant before Smith was hired, if I remember right. That would have been pretty cool, but then they found an actual alien (possessed by the spirit of Patrick Troughton no less!) so that put an end to that.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

He then uses his immense power to teleport from home to home where he snaps every single DVD and BR disc of Doctor Who in half.

Defeated in my home as the prophecy foretold, I tear off his mask to reveal he was the 1960s BBC reuse policy all along!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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ThaGhettoJew posted:

Time-Flight also has the best unnecessarily pointless villain twist ever.

It's great because the Doctor isn't fooled for a second (well he doesn't know WHO the bad guy is, but he knows he isn't what he says he is) and then when the reveal finally comes, it's all,"AHA I WASN'T ACTUALLY A MAGICIAN AT ALL!"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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CobiWann posted:

Or the pub. Because Tom may show up.

If he's not there already.

In the end you guys can't all get together in one place so you go to several different pubs in different parts of the country instead.

Tom is sitting at the bar in each of them.

echoplex posted:

Just watched Fantastic Beasts and there's a shot we did verbatim in an S10 episode. Entirely coincidence, but, lol.

God what I wouldn't give to have a) Stuart Craig's budget b) Stuart Craig's pay

There are parts of the Harry Potter films I like and a lot of parts I don't, but the set design was always top loving notch. That guy certainly knows his poo poo.

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Nov 20, 2016

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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CommonShore posted:

I like the cliffhanger rehashes, especially when the high drama that's at stake proves hilariously impotent one second later.

Which actually carries over to the revival, sometimes in extremely great ways:

The Doctor and Rose are surrounded by infected gasmask-people whose touch will turn them as well, all closing in while moaning,"Are you my Mommy?"
Doctor: You've been very naughty, go to your room! :mad: .....I can't believe that worked! :haw:

And sometimes in extremely terrible ways:

The Doctor, Martha and Jack are trapped at the end of time, the Master has regenerated and stolen the TARDIS, and the cannibalistic Future-Kind are about to break through the door with the broken lock
Doctor: Welp I fixed Jack's vortex manipulator and we came back to the early 21st Century :shrug:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Frazier Hines wasn't in Power of the Daleks (he debuted in the very next story) sadly, though he was in Evil of the Daleks so they should definitely do an animated release of that!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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I'm listening to The Magic Mousetrap and the interview with Sophie Aldred is a treat.

"Do you think Hex is in love with A-"
"Yes :lol:"

"So Ace's character isn't as dark as she used to be, right?"
"Yeah there was a bit of a rubber and leather period...."

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Burkion posted:

2 is easier to enjoy when you're younger because it's flashier and IN THE FUTURE and all that

3 is the one you grow into and acknowledge the strengths of more and more

Yeah as I kid I really liked II and thought III was okay but a little off. Now I think III is fantastic while II feels like the "worst" of the lot (they're all good).

The first is still the best though, just an absolute classic.

Of course when it comes to Doctor Who, 2 is correctly considered one of the best!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Oh my God that is perfect :swoon:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Doctor Who is still younger than William Hartnell was when he first played the Doctor.

And it's been said before, but Peter Capaldi and William Hartnell were both the same age when they first appeared as the Doctor :stare:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Oh hey, UNIT: Silenced is out!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Wheat Loaf posted:

Paul McGann is only one year younger than Peter Capaldi despite looking about 10 years younger.

Yeah but McGann is a method actor so he made a point of aging extremely slowly to the point that he seems to be immortal v:shobon:v

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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I've only listened to the first episode, but so far UNIT: Silenced is exactly what I was hoping for. The Silents are ideally suited to the audio format and they're so well realized in this - it also plays around with some neat subversions of what we've seen on television as a direct result of those things we've seen on television. My favorite so far being,"Humans have hunted us for a generation... YOU are the killers."

CommonShore posted:

Watching Mawdryn Undead. This episode is cool as poo poo.

Yeah this one freaked me out as a kid (that cliffhanger of the "Doctor" with their spaghetti-forehead :gonk:) but watching it as an adult, it's got a really good story in there and it all comes to a really neat conclusion.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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After The War posted:

Mawdryn also played on the concept of the companions (and viewers) being aware of the regeneration process, but not knowing how it works.

Ha, it only just occurred to me that as far as Tegan and Nyssa knew, regeneration involved a white spectral figure showing up and climbing into the body of the dying Doctor and then the two forming a new, combined body.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Short Synopsis: The Doctor is too clever for his own good.

Long Synopsis: The 7th Doctor awakes on a cable car traveling to a Sanatorium in 1920s Switzerland with no memory or who he is or how he got there. The other patients are similarly forgetful about certain things, and the Doctor sets about to restore all their memories and uncover the secret hidden in the attic, not realizing just how dangerous a "game" he is playing.

What's Good:
  • The Doctor outplaying himself. From the moment the Doctor awakens in the cable car he knows something is up - he doesn't remember who he is, why he is there, or that he has been there many times before.... but he knows that he's not being the person he usually is and something isn't quite right. So he rather gleefully sets about investigating, rather enjoying not being in full possession of the facts for once, finding the rather clumsy machinations of the other "players" amusing as they try to get him to play his part and he cheerfully ignores them to inject chaos and confusion. But his opponent knows him better than he thinks, and every move the Doctor makes has been anticipated and prepared for to keep him off the scent just long enough for the day to complete and things to reset. There are shades of the (later produced) excellence that was Heaven Sent but the mid-story revelation of an old villain - the Celestial Toymaker - is but another misdirection as to who is really orchestrating all events. When the Doctor, of course, manages to throw everything into disarray and destroy the plans of his opponent he discovers the opponent was himself, he set everything into motion and put himself into the middle of the game with strict instructions to everybody else to keep him from uncovering it all so they could run out the clock and do away with the already defeated Toymaker. Now his inability to just let events take their course has doomed them all and he has to scramble on the fly to come up with a solution, something he actually completely fails to do. It's really well-handled and rather refreshing to see the Machiavellian 7th Doctor screw things up so badly.

  • The Celestial Toymaker. It's a returning character who has been used poorly in the past, and even at their best people have had very understandable issues with the character in concept alone. Here they are used extremely appropriately though, and writer Ken Bentley does a good job or detouring around/obfuscating the more problematic aspects and just getting to the core of the character. The background is established neatly as we realize we've come into the story at the halfway point, an entire other adventure has occurred before the story ever started and THIS story is about mopping up the damage from that. The Toymaker was defeated by the Doctor and a collection of abducted human players who are now "infected" with aspects of the defeated Toymaker's powers. Considering that includes the ability to alter reality, even the memory/perception of the Toymaker as an entity would be enough to restore it to life, so the Doctor sets up a game in which all of them keep the memory of the Toymaker buried long enough for the energy they carry to burn out of them and take the Toymaker with them, destroying him forever. When that inevitably fails, the Toymaker returns to life in the form of a ventriloquist's doll, stealing the voice of another character and cheerily torturing them all anew to regain its powers by wiping them out one by one. What could easily have been laughable or pathetic comes across as menacing and implacable, it's a very well-realized turn with the character and possibility a rehabilitation of them from their now dated origins.

  • The end of the "game". With the Doctor having outplayed himself and failed to have worked out a feasible back-up plan, the villain seems to have the upper hand. The rather clever way it is defeated is extremely well handled, as two characters come to the realization that the Toymaker's games can only end with a winner and a loser, so why not end the game with neither? Playing chess on a giant board they themselves previously set up to be lethal, they use their family connection to come to an unspoken agreement, and play out a game of chess that ends with both players unable to avoid ending up in a position that will prove lethal to the human players. The Toymaker requires a surviving winner to regain his lost powers which have been jumping from winner to winner, and so finds himself locked in an eternal stalemate - should he force the game to end both players will die and his power will go nowhere and he will die, but leave the game as it is and he is trapped forever in his little wooden form unable to escape. It's an ending that feels earned in both a narrative and character sense, all the elements were put into place well ahead of time, and the relationship between the two surviving players has been established so that their ability to communicate between each other without explicitly saying what the other is thinking feels natural.

What's Not:

  • Ace, Hex & Queenie. There is actually nothing wrong with the performances by any of the actors involved, and the characters themselves are well incorporated into the story. It's just that.... they shouldn't be. It's early on established that Ace and Hex (who get to put on some lovely ridiculous accents) are working under orders and doing what they can to keep the Doctor in the dark, while Queenie is a chaotic element who forces herself into the mix... but they shouldn't be. For the story to work, certain characters need to be part of the "game' being played which means they need to be at risk of death should they fail. It's established that Ace and Hex were actually not part of the unseen adventure and are thus free to work as outside elements.... except later on in the story it turns out they WERE part of the unseen adventure and ARE part of the game. Except then why do they NOT have aspects of the Toymaker inside themselves? The answer is because then by the rules of the story they would have to be viable "players" for the "game" and at least one of them would need to die, so instead they just.... aren't. It's even commented on by the Doctor who says words to the effect of,"Oh I guess you just got left out of this (nasty, lethal) part of things :shrug:" and it's not particularly satisfying. Queenie is DEFINITELY not part of the game, one of the big reveals is that she should not be there and once they figure out exactly where "there" is, she absolutely, positively could NOT be there... but she is. And as far as I can tell it's never really explained how she got there, how much she knew etc. I may have missed an explanatory line, maybe she was drawn by a subconscious pull of her father unknowingly using the Toymaker's power but at the end of the story I thought,"Hang on.... how the hell did she even get into that cable car in the first place?"

  • Mrs Kerniddle. I kept waiting for this to go somewhere and it never did. She's a mute (by choice) character with some terrifying secret hanging over her past but an obvious intelligence and talent for games. Then she dies. That's it.

  • The Three Companions. Again there is nothing wrong with the characters or even the story in this little short audio (part 1 apparently) that features correspondence between Polly and the Brigadier who uncomfortably attempt to bridge the gap of their shared acquaintance having literally been different men when they knew him. It's actually rather sweet, as the Brigadier fondly reminisces about the characteristics of the 3rd Doctor until Polly responds that she never knew that version and he sounds quite unlike the two she knew. The Brigadier knew the 2nd Doctor of course but far less than the 3rd (or even 4th) and even their shared memories of Jamie come from a time AFTER Polly's departure, and he has no memory of the 1st Doctor at all. But what ruins (perhaps too strong a word) this story is the capper, as the correspondence is revealed to have been intercepted and read by.... sigh.... Thomas loving Brewster. A character I never particularly liked who I thankfully thought was gone for good is apparently making a return, working for some shadowy figure who I presume has some interest in the Doctor. I can't say I'm looking forward to Brewster returning even in a limited capacity, even if it comes with the Brigadier as a package deal.

Final Thoughts:

The Magic Mousetrap is a cracker - 7th Doctor audios are sadly more often miss than hit for me but when they work they REALLY work and I think this one absolutely does. Despite the issues I had with the dangling loose ends and seeming plotholes, those are negligible issues when it comes to how much I enjoyed the story as a whole. The atmosphere is wonderful, the Doctor is at his cheerfully chaotic best, the villain is a wonderfully realized surprise and the ending feels earned. There's an interesting cast of characters, the setting is unusual, they throw in some neat twists and the Doctor is the one who screws everything up for everybody because he can't help being himself. It also (sans The Three Companions) acts as a nicely self-contained story, there is no larger overarching narrative or longer season-arc going on. It's just the story of an adventure for the Doctor and his companions that resolves neatly (if not entirely tidily) before they move on to the next. Good, solid stuff and very recommended from me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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After The War posted:



It's definitely a part of Hex's character arc, which is the big theme for this "season" or whatever you want to call these little clumps of consecutive stories. The good news is that it's all part of one of BF's best eras (that I've encountered). Just assume that everything is connected at this point, and go into each audio with the expectation that they're going to be playing in the universe they've built over the past 120 stories. Call it "serialized" if you have to, just... have some tissues ready. You'll know when.

I'm down for every part of that which doesn't involve Thomas Brewster!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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jivjov posted:

Six stories on sale for Ice Warrior Ssssssssssunday!

2 main range, 1 Companion Chronicle, 3 Lost Stories. $25 download bundle available.

Oh thank God, today the main range titles are ones I already own - I've already picked up 5 new titles so far this weekend.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Bicyclops posted:

Aw. Brewster isn't so bad. He's a Dickensian orphan with the unlikable self-preservation that we don't like to think of being included with Dickensian orphans. Without checking my reviews, I'd say a solid half of his stories that I've heard are at least okay?

I like the idea of him in principle, a charming character with a tragic past with his eye on taking opportunities to enrich himself because he's grown up learning that you have to look out for yourself. The trouble is that is his character's description, but he seems to be lacking the charming part that is so necessary to make a character like that work. As it is, he just kind of shows up and constantly lies to and cheats everybody for his own benefit AND puts the lives of others at risk and refuses to accept blame or admit wrongdoing when called out on it... and then everybody just kind of forgives him anyway, even going so far as to chide themselves for not being more understanding of him. He's just an aggravating character to me, I honestly don't see what he brings to the table that would cause either Nyssa or (especially) the Doctor to want anything to do with him beyond their initial meeting.

If they actually wrote him with some level of charm it might be a different story, or even childish guilde - as it is he's just a thief and a liar who not only shows no remorse for his actions but acts aggrieved to be called out on them. The backstory they gave him in his first story was an attempt to point out he's a product of his environment but even then you had characters going on about being unable to resist his natural charms when he's essentially an aggressively dim dullard. Not the character's fault based on his upbringing, sure, but the charm they insist he has never actually seems to show up in any of the actual audios beyond characters saying he has it.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Thankfully I already own those main range titles. I just might make it through December with some money after all.... assuming there aren't any kind of late-December events that typically require outlaying large amounts of money on friends and family, of course!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

I mean, how else are you going to kiss him?

W... would that be alright? :ohdear:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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It's really depressing because their first televised story was so good, but the Silurians have failed to live up to that potential ever since :(

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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My favorite part of Warriors is when the Doctor gets knocked over a railing and falls barely a few feet into the water, and Turlough hauls Tegan away all,"Let's forget the Doctor, he's clearly dead!"

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Bloodtide is a mess and the good elements of it keep getting undercut by the story itself. The whole climax with the Doctor encouraging the humans to overcome Silurian mind-control and prove that they're not just glorified apes but actual intelligent, conscious and spiritual creatures would be a high-point.... except immediately afterwards the Doctor straight up tells Darwin to his face (moments after Darwin's joyous rediscovery of his faith) that actually the Silurian would have easily had them completely under its control if another SIlurian wasn't actively working against it to "trick" the bad Silurian into thinking humans were more than just a hosed up experiment.

That plus the accents. Oh my God the accents :gonk:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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CommonShore posted:

Power was fun. Pacing was a bit off for a 2.5 hr showing obviously, but you can tell that more effort went into the last two eps of the serial.

It would make no money at all but I'd legit love a 4 hour cinema screening of The War Games :swoon:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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CobiWann posted:

"Sorry sir, The War Games is sold out. Would you like attend our showing of Fury From the Deep?"

....yes :shobon:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

Upon gaining my inevitable cosmic might I will be locking the lot of you in a theater where you will be forced to watch Timelash until you agree with me that it is indeed a brilliant classic.

The Lot of Us: So.... how long are we in here again?
Rhyno: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-Q7b-vHY3Q

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Hahaha, awesome.

But also sad :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Day of the Doctor (Smith's penultimate story) is amazing so make sure you catch up on that one!

Edit: Also on a tangential note, I hope people are checking out The Crown, which co-stars Matt Smith as Prince Philip and is very, very good. Who knew the British would be good at period drama about the aristocracy!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Yeah that cover is pretty drat sweet.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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The_Doctor posted:

Interesting that it completely fails to mention River, despite her being on the cover

There is a lengthy section about her, maybe they edited in afterwards?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

And Fury from the Deep only has surviving bits that got cut by Australian censors for being too terrifying so whenever things start moving you know poo poo is going down

This acting was pretty horrifying, I must admit!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

What a world

Seriously, the wilderness years were loving horrible, especially if like me you were largely unaware (blissfully, in many cases) of the novel range. Even in a year like this where we're only getting one new episode of the show I've still had so much "new" Who to experience in the meantime.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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greententacle posted:

For when you sit down on Christmas Eve/Day and marathon all the Christmas specials, I guess? :gonk:

2005 - 2015:

Hey this is pretty good!
Interesting, I really liked that one-off character too!
Oh sweet dear God in heaven what the gently caress was THAT!?! :gonk:
Ehhhhhhhh.... :shrug:
Oh God this is awful..... but they kinda stuck the landing and that final scene :swoon:
Oh hell yeah everything's going to be okay from now on! :hellyeah:
Oh sweet dear God in heaven what the gently caress was THAT!?! :gonk:
Ehhhhhhhh.... :shrug:
That was... okay. Liked the ending!
That ruled!
That was... okay. Liked the ending!

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Bicyclops posted:

I tried to fill this in but I keep getting a bad result for The Christmas Carol episode, which forces me to conclude that I must convince you to like it but increasing the size of your heart by several sizes.

Then allow me to elaborate, because while there is no such thing as a consensus opinion when it comes to Doctor Who episodes, A Christmas Carol rules and I'll stand by that forever.

2005 - 2015:

Hey this is pretty good! - The Christmas Invasion
Interesting, I really liked that one-off character too! - The Runaway Bride
Oh sweet dear God in heaven what the gently caress was THAT!?! :gonk: - Voyage of the Damned
Ehhhhhhhh.... :shrug: - The Next Doctor
Oh God this is awful..... but they kinda stuck the landing and that final scene :swoon: - The End of Time (1 & 2)
Oh hell yeah everything's going to be okay from now on! :hellyeah: - A Christmas Carol
Oh sweet dear God in heaven what the gently caress was THAT!?! :gonk: - The Doctor, the Widow and the What the gently caress were you thinking Moffat I mean Jesus Christ what the gently caress was that?
Ehhhhhhhh.... :shrug: - The Snowmen
That was... okay. Liked the ending! - The Time of the Doctor
That ruled! - Last Christmas
That was... okay. Liked the ending! - The Husbands of River Song

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Well now I got it into my head to watch The end of the End of Time again - the complete 180 after the pivotal moment still gets to me every time, he's just so happy to have arrived! :allears:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Yeah, I've already heard the story where that happened but something like that could probably use a spoiler tag dude :smith:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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Emerson Cod posted:

EDIT: Really sorry about that. Technically not accurate but to go into more detail would not be helpful.

It's all good man, like Bicyclops says there's not really any kind of spoiler policy for Big Finish since there is so much of it and everybody is listening to different parts of it at different times - I just try to play it by ear and avoid learning stuff I didn't get to yet and especially avoid giving away major stuff to those who haven't heard it yet. :)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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After The War posted:

Here's the complete run.

There's some delightfully weird stuff in there, this is probably the moment that stands out most to me though:



It sums up the true horror of the Cybermen really well to me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

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We certainly dodged a bullet with the TV Movie not getting picked up for a regular series, since their proposed storylines sounded pretty loving awful. But the TV Movie itself? Outside of a few silly elements (like the Doctor being half-human) it's pretty solid, McGann was great casting, plus it's a really nice farewell to McCoy who got to wrap up his time as the character.... or so he thought pre-Big Finish!

Anyway long story short I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Facebook group is a parody and everybody involved is in on the joke apart from Ian Levine.

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May 20, 2004

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Wheat Loaf posted:

a series of the Doctor and his evil secret brother the Master adventuring through space and time trying to find their mysterious long-lost father Ulysses

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