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This has been talked to death over the past year or two, but: Zorak wasn't bad because he was strict (though 24 hour+ probations for grammar and punctuation were dumb), he became bad as he got sick of anime. He actively discouraged discussion of shows he didn't like, and as time went on, that list grew. He got mad at people for even using the term "slice-of-life," and shat on shows based on their genre in the seasonal threads. By the end of his reign, he was a bad mod.
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wrt megathreads, it's a bit of a catch 22 in that most people won't make threads that aren't genre megathreads or current season stuff since they don't wanna put in effort for something that might just quietly die after a few posts. And heck, I can't blame em.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:By the end of his reign, he was a bad mod.  Jedah fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Nov 3, 2016 14:54
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Over moderation of forums is poo poo and boring and bad and lame, if you don't feel like you're having fun talking to people, even when disagreeing with them, because the moderation is too strict then it's garbage and bad and the mods causing that need firing and calling rude names like geek, nerd or sword art online fans. Basically, you take a look at shitholes like NeoGAF where there are strict rules about creating threads on specific days before game releases and that all posts need to be 1000% on topic or they'll get you banned and you sprint in the other direction for how to have a forum. Step in if people are being -ist, dickheads, spreading poo poo that's illegal like piracy links or whatever, or nudes, other general decency violations and then just let things play out. I feel like Bad Spookyfood did really well in only stepping in when it was needed and that's why ADTRW has been fun under his reign. And he didn't close the pictures of dogs thread for being off-topic with is an extremely important thread. Mods should be like sports referees, you shouldn't notice them if they're doing their job right.
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Actually, I think the takeaway is that more people should post in the pictures of dogs thread.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:This has been talked to death over the past year or two, but: Zorak wasn't bad because he was strict (though 24 hour+ probations for grammar and punctuation were dumb), he became bad as he got sick of anime. He actively discouraged discussion of shows he didn't like, and as time went on, that list grew. He got mad at people for even using the term "slice-of-life," and shat on shows based on their genre in the seasonal threads. By the end of his reign, he was a bad mod. Yeah. I've said before, but when I was lurking during the nadir of his time I felt like he just kind of tried to enforce this culture of shame I see in a lot of generally well-meaning nerd circles, where there's this constant self-deprecation and reluctance to engage with a lot of the medium as something other than "this dumb bullshit I kinda like to kill time with I guess." Thinking critically about stuff you enjoy, why you enjoy it (or don't), and what that might say about you is incredibly important, obviously, but there comes a point where you're just constantly assuming the worst of yourself and/or the poo poo you like and refusing to engage with things that broadly fit into whatever negative preconception you've established, and that goes from being a loving bummer at best to being actively unhealthy at worst.
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Zorak was also a hilarious hypocrite because he'd specifically shield directors that he liked for doing the things that he'd ban people for liking in other shows (Imaishi and KLK being the most obvious example) and ban people for talking about it. Zorak sucked.
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Nov 3, 2016 15:29
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I've said it before, but Zorak was the sort of mod needed to clean up what ADTRW was in the early to mid 2000s, emphasis on the past tense. Most of the negative points against his term as Mod I concur with, but I think it's valid to give him credit for laying the foundations for a better anime forum, even if in a "3 steps forwatd, 2 steps back" sort of way. But I'm not going to defend him personally, as he was guilty of a lot of stupid poo poo, like that^
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Nov 3, 2016 15:31
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Rodyle posted:Zorak was also a hilarious hypocrite because he'd specifically shield directors that he liked for doing the things that he'd ban people for liking in other shows (Imaishi and KLK being the most obvious example) and ban people for talking about it. No one got banned for liking or talking about fanservicey stuff unless it was straight up pedobait. Hell we had an active thread for Zvesda during his time which was pretty loving close.
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Sakurazuka posted:No one got banned for liking or talking about fanservicey stuff unless it was straight up pedobait. Hell we had an active thread for Zvesda during his time which was pretty loving close. No I mean he threatened mod action for pointing out that KLK was all the stuff he would normally attack and insult others for talking about.
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 If the majority says that Zorak was bad, who am I to argue? I just meant that, in my experience, which is as a kind of white-noise poster who only ever really added silly quips most of the time, I never really had much interaction or noticed much on that side. Just, speaking in general terms, it really is still the same ADTRW generally in terms of the types of threads and conversations we have, I feel. And I mean, so long as bad posters / creepy posts are kept firmly out the door, that's all I ask of a mod now. Let's let bygones be bygones. We shouldn't open up the can of worms that is Zorak-retrospective every time we change mods, and hopefully we won't for a good while.
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He's been gone for years let dead zoraks lie. Bye Seafood, you should still hang out.
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Take care, Seafood!
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This subforum sure seems to churn through mods more than others that I can recall. Godspeed.
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Thanks for your service and good luck with your job and other busy-making things 
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Sakurazuka posted:No one got banned for liking or talking about fanservicey stuff unless it was straight up pedobait. Hell we had an active thread for Zvesda during his time which was pretty loving close. I remember him probing me for calling either Zvezda or Robot Girls Z pedobait!!!
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I thought the klk thing was more of a "yes, you're right, this is really dumb, we've already heard it 1000 times by now please talk about something new" deal. I'm pretty sure he never said "kill la kill's fanservice is good and ok." In fact I recall having the impression that halfway through he was fairly down on klk. It's worth remembering that the klk thread was really, really active while klk was airing, and like 80% of the discussion in it was about how awful titties are* *this is not an exact figure, I probably don't remember it super well
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One time I quoted a thing a person said, then followed it with a quote from someone else that answered whatever question/argument/whatever the first person had said. Zorak probated me for empty quoting. Unfortunately awful app doesn't let me see my probes as far as I can tell, so I dunno if it was for a day or for 3 days, but at the time I remember thinking it was a little ridiculous
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Nov 3, 2016 18:06
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Zorak is a nuanced historical figure in this anime forum
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Nov 3, 2016 18:06
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Which mod is a deconstruction of Zorak?
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Nov 3, 2016 18:16
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who cares about zorak, lets talk about the pre zorak mods like uhh
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Nov 3, 2016 18:21
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I know literally nothing about the pre-zorak mods except apparently they allowed a thriving community of pedophiles to blossom I know not their names, nor whatever other deeds they might have done. Only this single black stain on their reputation.
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Nov 3, 2016 18:24
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Wasn't one called ricewater or something
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Nov 3, 2016 18:24
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ricequeen, as a joke on admin icequeen presumably
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Davincie posted:who cares about zorak, lets talk about the pre zorak mods like uhh I remember almost nothing about Ziegfeld and Menacer except they existed. Ricequeen made the first Marimite thread and that's about it.
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Cait sith, Ricequeen, Zigfield, Menacer, Zorak, Baal, Bad Seafood...Is this the complete list?
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ninjewtsu posted:I know literally nothing about the pre-zorak mods except apparently they allowed a thriving community of pedophiles to blossom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2f5rgTkA0I
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Nov 3, 2016 18:35
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You forgot yourself, baka!
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DrSunshine posted:
i can't imagine adtrw requires much attention as a mod so it is odd how rapidly it has been going through them
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Nov 3, 2016 19:03
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zorak once threatened to ban me for saying an anime could be good, instead of bad.
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anyone have that Zorak post where he says his good buddy cannot be a pedophile for playing the pedophile VN, because he is gay
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I love talking about Zorak every time the word "mod" comes up
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Nov 3, 2016 19:32
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GorfZaplen posted:I love talking about Zorak every time the word "mod" comes up
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GorfZaplen posted:I love talking about Zorak every time the word "mod" comes up I love talking about zorak in this, the goodbye bad seafood thread.
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Nov 3, 2016 19:37
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Everyone chill out and have a slice of
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Nov 3, 2016 19:42
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We come not to bury the old mod, but to bury the really old mod instead
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Bad Seafood has actually been working undercover to shine light on corruption in the mod community, his real name is actually deep seafood.
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I actually have very little to say about bad seafood besides "yep, he was a good mod." I don't really recall him ever taking a terribly active role in the forum as a leader, more like he just posted like a normal dude and occasionally I'd see someone get probated for being really dumb. I like the general attitude this forum has cultivated, bad seafood did a good job of keeping cool people in this forum while also making sure there would be consequences for anyone who went over the line, which is an important part of making sure the cool people stay cool imo. Tldr unremarkable but good, will miss. All hail the new kill la kill fan forum.
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question for matoi ryuko: have you decided what theme your resignation post will be next month????
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Major adtrw criticism: I often feel crushed beneath the boot of moe elitism, please fill this forum with more people who have my taste in Japanese cartoons, tia
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