Araganzar posted:

Started a Nem Choice GrEn and found this shop on D3:

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Welcome to Jafeopp's Magic Scroll Shoppe! What would you like to do?
 a $   33 gold   a scroll of remove curse
 b $   82 gold   a scroll of enchant weapon (unknown)
 c $   82 gold   a scroll of enchant weapon (unknown)
 d $   82 gold   a scroll of enchant weapon (unknown)
 e $   33 gold   a scroll of teleportation
 f $   82 gold   a scroll of blinking (unknown)
 g $   82 gold   a scroll of enchant weapon (unknown)
 h $  104 gold   a scroll of recharging (unknown)
i $   82 gold   a scroll of enchant weapon (unknown)

Worth it to get these and use them on a +0 (edit: +5) short sword of elec?

Social Studies 3rd Period posted:

yo, throw me in, coach - I will be salty.

about ogres!!!

Internet Kraken posted:

Not really worth it. On a short sword of elec, most of the damage will come from the brand. Heavily enchanting a weapon you will only be using for a relatively short amount of time isn't a great idea. You're better off coming back later to buy the enchant scrolls.

The blinking and teleport scrolls should of been your first priority to ensure you actually survive long enough to find a weapon worth enchanting.

Sultan Tarquin posted:

I found the new salt dimension what kind of hosed up poo poo am I in for.

Araganzar posted:

It's a tough portal. Watch out for elec attacks, look out for the guys who cast shadow creatures and then can blow up their summons, be super careful around the guardian serpents and convokers who can put half the zone on top of you. Also the guys who might the saltlings.

Actually, you need to look out for just about everything. You might not want to go in if you're not super tuff.

World Famous W posted:

I'm going to add something else to my ever growing list of things I wish they would bring back:

I want to be able to destroy books for amnesia purposes again. I don't tend to run out of the scrolls on my casters, it is just more missing the flavor part of it.

Araganzar posted:

I wish that had not been removed, also. It gave you a reason to use that 2nd Book of Air you found. It also made it easier to use spells you didn't intend to keep all game. It was a cool little addition, I know we need to prune, I think sometimes we trim too close to the branch.

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One of crawl's most secret features, book amnesia allowed you to
destroy a book to forget one of its spells. In principle this is a
cool tradeoff (do you want to give up the option of ever learning
any of the spells in the book?), but it's rarely relevant in
practice (even for players who know about it!), and if it were
relevant, good play would involve a complex optimization game,
cross-referencing available books and the spells within. Which does
not seem especially fun to get dragged into midway through a
perfectly good game of DCSS.

Sultan Tarquin posted:

I don't feel too tough

Goodpancakes posted:

I ran into two rooms with 3 electric eels in them on like D 5 or 6. I just left them alone. How would I tackle this as a regular ol fighter guy. Shoot them with ranged stuff? Wait for relec?

Goodpancakes posted:

I ran into two rooms with 3 electric eels in them on like D 5 or 6. I just left them alone. How would I tackle this as a regular ol fighter guy. Shoot them with ranged stuff? Wait for relec?

PleasingFungus posted:

I get where you guys are coming from [on book amnesia], but I stand by what I said at the time[/url]:

Flavor is nice, uses for duplicate books are nice, but book amnesia wasn't a great way to achieve either.

PleasingFungus posted:

I get where you guys are coming from, but I stand by what I said at the time:


Flavor is nice, uses for duplicate books are nice, but book amnesia wasn't a great way to achieve either.

dpeg posted:

I invented book amnesia, so I'm completely biased, but I think the flavour is excellent: you're ripping pages out of a book, what's not to like?

Down to one destructional book use (Trog), gotta find me another one.

Araganzar posted:

It was quite useful for one of the two main caster gods (Vehumet). Spell gifts that time out meant ever keeping spell levels in reserve or placing an insane prioritization on SC. Quite a common situation actually: I'm playing VM, say, I got flame tongue from Veh and I am pushing fire. I want to get Venom Bolt but I don't want to lose a good fire spell. With book ripping, I have a free amnesia of that spell since I want to keep all the others.

Same thing without Vehumet to a lesser degree - in that case it's why not go ahead and mem a lesser-used spell since I can amnesia it without losing a scroll? Or say I find book of flame, I wasn't going to go fire but what the hell, I can mem sticky flame or fireball because I can use the book it came in to un-mem it. Without this mechanic, I leave it on the floor. One of the main joys of this game is picking up things off the floor and using them.

To me, this is a strong argument both for relevance/usefulness. It also encourages branching out, using less "optimal" spells, trying ones you wouldn't ordinarily cast. It's a real bummer to play a caster sometimes when you feel like you have to save levels for "core" spells since you have no innate ones. With this mechanic, I try a lot of new spells, my game has more variety, and I when I find a new book I am encouraged to memorize a spell I have room for rather than feeling frustrated.

The flavor on the mechanic is also wonderful. The problem was it was buried alive. How about exhuming it with a spell list option or notation or something?

DATS MY ARGUMENT DEAL WITH IT EMOTICON OF OGRE PUTTING ON SHADES

Araganzar posted:

To me, this is a strong argument both for relevance/usefulness. It also encourages branching out, using less "optimal" spells, trying ones you wouldn't ordinarily cast. It's a real bummer to play a caster sometimes when you feel like you have to save levels for "core" spells since you have no innate ones. With this mechanic, I try a lot of new spells, my game has more variety, and I when I find a new book I am encouraged to memorize a spell I have room for rather than feeling frustrated.

yurtcradled posted:

Room for one more in City Name Crawl Team? I'm 'offering' on CAO.

AbortRetryFail posted:

Okawaru was given me pretty bad gifts this game but this is just plain rude

dpeg posted:

First win for team NEMELEX! (Fun fact: I've tried to get rid of Nemelex, and failed.)

Zodack posted:

My best-worst Oka gift so far:

AbortRetryFail posted:

Okawaru was given me pretty bad gifts this game but this is just plain rude

Internet Kraken posted:

For the purpose of building piety, does Uskayaw consider kills by allies to be worth as much or counted at all?

Also what happens if a formicid with innate clarity casts borg's while in death's door?

AbortRetryFail posted:

Okawaru was given me pretty bad gifts this game but this is just plain rude

Unimpressed posted:

Just got my obligatory MiBe win so I can resume splatting casters in vain. Got a +11 demon blade "Ibrintuo" {vamp, Str+3} on Orc 1 and basically tab-o the rest of the game, even though I got abyssed twice, this was the easiest game I've ever had.

Unimpressed posted:

One interesting thing I saw was that in Zot 5, both entrances to the lungs were 1-wide and had a zot trap. I didn't know what to do, eventually I just stepped on to it. Nothing serious happened on the way in, but I got abyssed on the way out with the Orb, came out of the abyss on the wrong side of the trap and stepped on it a third time, this time with no ill effects. Is this something new that happens by design? What are ways around this (other than teleporting)?

Araganzar posted:

Blinking, until recently passage, hep swap. It's possible to have permanent tport traps on both lung entrances and god help you if you don't have -Tele.

Darox posted:

but it's still really good for a level 3 spell.

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Princey posted:

Somebody recommend me some combos to play. I'm home sick and I want to exacerbate my illness by frustrating myself with Crawl.

Options:

1. Easiest combos to win other than melee fightmans. I've only ever won melee fightmans, it would be nice to do something else.
2. Combos that are just loving fun to play, even if questionably viable.
3. Gods that are cool and fun and new or underused, and combos that synergize well with them.