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Vocational courses are not a bad thing, the world needs people who actually know how to do useful things more than it does people with qualifications in english lit, not everyone is going to be taken with academic subjects and churning out piles of people with academic qualifications doesn't guarantee them work either, it just means you have a lot of unemployed graduates.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Surely you see why giving them a meaningless low quality "vocational" education and denying them a real education is a bad thing. I don't see vocational education as low quality? Trade skills are absolutely vital things and if people have the aptitude for them I would absolutely recommend they try them. You can make an argument for the supposed empowering quality of education but the idea that everybody needs to study an academic subject in order to be worthwhile is absolutely farcical. A lot of people get stupid loving academic qualifications that do no good whatsoever to them or the rest of society, that a subject is academic rather than skilled does not make it better. The point of education should be to empower the learner, and some people are far more empowered by learning skills they're good at than sitting through academic subjects they aren't. If you have a talent for a trade skill you should be encouraged to pursue it because skill and talent together is art, and is deeply praiseworthy when it occurs.
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Nov 5, 2016 22:04
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icantfindaname posted:there's no shame in the browns accepting their status as an underclass providing semi and unskilled labor, true I, uh, am assuming you wouldn't go outright segregation and force black people to go to vocational schools while only having academic schools for white people... Vocational courses are good for everybody. Because regardless of ethnicity, people should be allowed to pursue the things they're good at, and be given as many possible opportunities to figure out what they're good at and where their preference lies.
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Nov 5, 2016 22:55
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icantfindaname posted:there's not actually enough work in the vocational fields to absorb all the people its boosters want to pursue them; general education is a much better option to encourage by default, and if people want to do vocational stuff they're perfectly free to on their own Job scarcity is deliberately caused by the state, and there is no guarantee that general education is going to have infinite employment capacity either. Also, you're perfectly free to pursue general education on your own, in theory, if you ignore all the economic reasons why you aren't.
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Nov 5, 2016 23:11
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icantfindaname posted:expansion of vocational education at public expense necessarily comes at the expense of other potential expansions of public funding for education, so there actually is a tradeoff Yes... And both are valuable, so one should not be sidelined in favor of the other, especially not because poncy middle class white people want their kids to grow up to become doctors and lawyers, things we totally have an infinite capacity to employ. The idea that academic skills are the only worthwhile skills is stupid and needs to die.
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Nov 5, 2016 23:24
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Because, as I said, academia is not suited for everyone and you can't run a society on academia alone, you need people who can do practical work, they are a vital part of a functioning society. If people have aptitude for practical work they should be supported in that, and given all the resources they need to excel at it. I really don't understand what you're arguing, that vocational skills are somehow inherently bad and also that poverty must necessarily mean poor education availability?
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Nov 7, 2016 18:30
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Again job scarcity is enforced by the government, if there aren't enough jobs that is solved by getting the government to create them, you will never achieve stable, long term employment otherwise because every technological change will put people out of jobs and invalidate the skillset they're trained in.
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Nov 8, 2016 00:38
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You finish school at 16, you can pursue whatever higher education you want, vocational qualifications have levels from secondary school qualification equivalents to masters/doctorate equivalents.
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Nov 8, 2016 04:15
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Because i literally live somewhere that has vocational courses available to school leavers and as an alternative for people who didn't get the schooling they wanted first go round. The idea that you have to choose between good education and different kinds of education is farcical, governments have more than enough funding to pay for both and should.
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Nov 8, 2016 22:21
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