uspol november: as it turns out they could not stump the trump

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shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Trump killing TPP puts him ahead of the Abuela

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 06:36

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 19:14

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

The whiplash I'm getting from following posters who were 100% sure that Abuela was going to destroy Trump and usher in a thousand years of liberalism and now are crying out about sexism and racism hobbling her is amazing,

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 06:41

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Shouldn't you be happy that Obamacare is being repealed anyway? Pretty good news for insurers

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 06:42

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Kinda crazy to see the usual suspects like Trabisniskof doubling-down on Third way Abuelalism.
HRC is killed politically. She and her husband are pariahs - I'm pretty happy that a side-effect of the election outcome is that it's killed their foundation, apparently no one wants to donate to them anymore.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 06:54

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Not a peep from Podesta since the elections... Amazing

And this really encapsulates third way neoliberalism in a nutshell
https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/786988264985100288

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 06:58

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Don't get me started on Mook and his idolization of Ada, the god-AI that would destroy Trump.
HRC cargo-culting Obama's campaigns were a sight to behold.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 07:02

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

He's a rapist so I can't say I'm sorry to see him "renditioned" to a black site operating under Trump's definition of torture.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 07:19

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

I don't know, that pic seems to be a pretty good summary of HRC colorblind slacktivism. Another example would be the cast of Hamilton v. Trump.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 08:34

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

neoliberalism.jpg

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 08:46

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Yeah the notion that Abuela was owed a vote by all women is kinda sexist in of itself

# ¿ Nov 22, 2016 08:53

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

We've been focusing on HRCs failure of a campaign but stuff like this makes you wonder how much of Obamas neolib ways laid the ground for a trump victory.

Man thanks Obama

# ¿ Nov 23, 2016 05:24

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

This is depressing

quote:

A 21-year-old woman was severely injured and may lose her arm after being hit by a projectile when North Dakota law enforcement officers turned water cannon on Dakota Access pipeline protesters and threw �less-than-lethal� weapons, according to the woman�s father.
...
Sophia will require additional surgery in the next few days and her arm may still have to be amputated, he added. �She�s devastated. She looks at her arm and she cries,� he said.

gofundme link at https://www.gofundme.com/30aezxs?rcid=f8614efbfa204af4887f2bdc0d6324f0

# ¿ Nov 23, 2016 07:52

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Kinda depressing the hill folk already have their knives out for Ellison.
Not content with just losing us the elections, it looks like we're going to see 4 years of neolibs neolibbing.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2016 15:34

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

It's just another form of liberal white America sneering at those stupid poor people for voting for Trump to bring back jobs. You see voting for HRC would have been better because she outright campaigned on those jobs not being around anymore.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 03:58

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

and also why all this poo poo about trade that dominated the election has been just total poo poo

So manufacturing jobs dropped precipitously after NAFTA was imposed?

# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 04:06

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Condiv posted:

this is also why self-driving cars are still a while off even if you don't consider the current state of the tech. who takes responsibility when the self-driving car gets into a wreck and is at fault? the thing that made the mistake is software designed by the manufacturer, so they'd be at fault usually, but do you think car companies are gonna want to accept the transfer of legal liability from their customers to themselves?

Hasn't Benz already said they'll take on all liability from accidents with their self-driving cars in the future?

quote:

Volvo, Google, and Mercedes-Benz have now all said that they will accept full liability if their self-driving vehicles cause a collision.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 11:41

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Where are all these tankies coming from

# ¿ Nov 26, 2016 08:15

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

good public housing, subsidized primary to tertiary education, universal heath care, good DC retirement schemes, and low taxes
sounds pretty good to me

# ¿ Nov 26, 2016 09:39

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

we live in a GITS episode - korean prez manipulated by a psychic, the creation of the american empire

# ¿ Nov 26, 2016 13:20

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/802385983664574465

# ¿ Nov 26, 2016 13:23

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

It's two weeks after the election and neoliberals like Trabisniskof are already pushing for more HRC third way neoliberalism moving forward? I look forward to further electoral losses since apparently it's asking too much for Democrats not to double down on guaranteed losers.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2016 08:39

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Let's see Trasbisniskof, continuing to poo poo on unions and blue collar workers by saying that their jobs are gone and they should get hosed.
Doubling down on unlimited free trade thru stuff like TPP. Arguing in favor of continued privatization of healthcare rather than UHC.

Even down to being petty over stuff like Ellison, a minority Muslim, being pushed as DNC chair and accusing him of being a Bernie Bro.

Yikes

# ¿ Nov 27, 2016 08:51

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

I'm late to the party but the fact that we have to relitigate the fact that Obama is a lovely rear end neoliberal president with people like Angry Ed every 20 pages is a sign that the DNC wing hasn't learnt anything.

How do you defend Obamas retarded Grand Bargain where he preemptively offered a slew of massive entitlement cuts on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security in an effort to look bipartisan.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:02

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Yes, the only two choices we have are Republican-lite or literal Purges.
gently caress off

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:15

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Yes, we have two choices - Republican-lite or FULL COMMUNISM.

Keep on offering choices like these and we'll keep on losing elections.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:19

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

I'd like to ask these so-called "moderates" to explain the Grand Bargain

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:22

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Is there a reason why people should care about raw vote count over percentages considering population growth?
The electorate grew by 10 million between 2012-2016.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:37

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Yup, let's blame the voters rather than blame HRC for being a terrible campaign - a sure-fire way of winning in '18/'20.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:49

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Someone post the Schumer quote please.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2016 23:58

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Xae posted:

Rural areas have huge economic problems that are largely self-inflicted.

Adverse Selection then creates a feedback loop where the only people around are the people who enjoy trying to live like it is 1970 and refuse to address the issues that caused people to leave. Because all the people who left no longer have a voice in the community.

The dream for half of the rural area is being a bed room community with no community. They shut down theaters, libraries, schools. Then wonder why all the kids move to the city.

They oppose municipal broadband, then wonder why all the kids leave the for the city and why $TechCompany doesn't open a branch in their all-dial up town.

Or the older rural population is too poor and under skilled to be able to move to richer urban areas?
And that corporate interests are the ones making GBS threads on them with stuff like muni broadband?

But let's continue making GBS threads on the poor rural population.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:12

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Policy C's been the Democrat choice for a while between Obama and HRC continuing to poo poo on them.
What was that sneering statement that Obama pulled off in '12?

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:16

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

It was actually in '08 and regarding PA

quote:

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:20

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

No, his administration was just another in a long line that has done nothing for this demo.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:26

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Lightning Knight posted:

The vast majority of the country lives in about five states, and right now the states where most people don't live are dictating policy to them. In the grand scheme of things California dictating policy would end a fair sight better than Wisconsin, given the current political climate.

I don't understand why leftists are so quick to defend a lovely system that makes it harder for them to win.

This would have more weight if it was made before the elections rather than after a loss.
But the "moderate" HRC wing was too busy prematurely celebrating its win.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:30

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Angry_Ed posted:

Here's an idea for you. We've lost every branch of government on the federal level and most of the states. Your smug hot takes haven't been working, why not try literally anything else?

My entire thesis has been that you and a lot of others here that act like you have no real interest in fixing the problem, instead giving out half-hearted responses when you're not busy getting high off of everyone's schadenfreude. So instead of sitting here telling me to try something else because I'm trying to make you do real work, why not loving do the real work. Stop with the loving eternal slapfight and figure out how to actually convince people. Stop with the smugness and actually engage people like a goddamn human being; you know, the thing you kept telling everyone else to do?

That's rich coming from someone crowing about HRC destroying Sanders and Trump for the entire run up to the election and then immediately turning around and yelling at the "Bernie Bros" for being unconstructive.

And as far as I can tell, DnD isn't the DNC dlist (although looking at the HRC-skew, who knows).

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:37

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

The most overtop was unsurprisingly

McAlister posted:

Well my perma ban will kick in soon so I just want to say gently caress Bernie Sanders on my way out.

gently caress Bernie Sanders. gently caress his low life dirty attacks on Clinton's character.

I blame this entirely on him and the lies that endlessly spewed from his campaign emails and surrogates. All the ridiculous poo poo you guys dismissed as "just Reddit"? That poo poo wasn't just Reddit. Or just bros. It was talking points straight from Bernie to everyone subscribed to his emails. Bernie was the king bro.

A man is defined not by his best or worst moments but by the sum total of his life. A woman, however, is defined by the nastiest thing someone you like said about them. Regardless of its truth. And Bernie said a lot of really nasty untrue things from a position of popularity on the left.

He's a nuclear hating, science denying, fake medicine pushing, narcissistic loon only a very small step better than stein. And he isn't even one that gets good things done. Clinton negotiated SCHIP for heavens sake. Bernie's Green Mountain Care fell apart under its own stupidity. Clinton secured funds for medical care for 9-11 first responders. Bernie refused to listen or take seriously reports that the VA was inadequate to serve the needs of vets and people died while he dismissed the problems out of hand. Cause in stupid moron ideologue land socialist medical programs are perfect and don't have huge wait times no matter how underfunded.. The man literally championed building a nuclear waste facility on a fault line over a water table in Texas and turned away three members of the impoverished migrant community who lived there after they drove 2000 miles to beg him to stop. Why? Because he doesn't need votes from Texas. Just like Trump, if you don't have something he needs Bernie doesn't have a shred of empathy or respect for you.

Clinton is such an amazing candidate that it took the FBI, the KGB, systemic sexism hampering her turnout, systemic racism driving turnout for Trump, and being back stabbed from the left repeatedly to take her down and she still almost made it. And of those five things the last is the only one that was a conscious choice by a loving jackass who put his own ego above the nation's welfare.

Bernie Sanders can go to hell where he will be burned in an ever burning pyre kindled from printouts of all the slanderous talking points he mailed out in the primary. He's not fit to dry clean Hillary's pantsuits.

And no. He couldn't win. Trump would have kicked his rear end in the debates and made him look like the senile rear end he is. We saw what Trump did to one-stump wonders in the primary with liddle Marco. Ohh did Trump say a mean thing about vets? Bernie killed vets by ignoring their pleas for medical help. Trump promised to completely eliminate taxes for the poorest replacing their current paperwork with an I-Win form. Bernie ran openly on shared sacrifice and raising everyone's taxes. Including the very poor with regressive payroll and sales taxes. How far up Bernie's rear end do you have to be not to realize that's a non-starter? Trump wants to repeal Obamacare? Bernie did too! And Medicaid. And SCHIP. And tricare. And hey very poor person, now you can pay a payroll tax you can't afford to get what you used to get for free under those programs that Bernie stupidly wants to cannibalize. Florida hates how sanders praises Castro and Michigan loves how much better Trump is at yelling and channeling anger. The environmentalist wing of the party would cross lines to vote Trump over Bernie due to his promise to unilaterally use executive authority to shut down the cleanest 20% of our base power grid and zero out the budget for nuclear power research.

Bernie was a loving train wreck and I'm done pretending otherwise.

That's my meltdown. Bye.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:43

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Well, Californian Democrats think Calexit is a thing so good for them I guess.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:52

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

It's bizarre. Let's say we all agree that the EC is poo poo then what. It's not like we have the ability to change the set up,

I honestly can't believe the fact that moderates are willing to throw out every excuse - the rural poor, the EC, the racists etc.
and can't face up to the fact that HRC was an incredibly lovely candidate.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 00:56

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Obama's personal charisma and once-in-a-lifetime campaigns might have shot the Democrats in the foot if anything.
It allowed him to be elected and re-elected as a centrist neoliberal when people were clamoring for change.

I don't know if posters like Angry_Ed were too young to vote in the late noughts but there was a definite insurrection against neoliberalism with the GFC.
Hell, I was a young IB associate at the time and there was definitely a sense that the finance industry was going to be cut down to size with the possibility of banks being taken out to the shed and executives would be punished. And this wasn't a bad thing.

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 01:28

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 19:14

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Oof looking at the HRC campaign again - the Abuela stuff is pretty funny in retrospect

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/

quote:

7 things Hillary Clinton has in common with your abuela

1. She isn�t afraid to talk about the importance of el respeto.
2. She worries about children everywhere �
3. She knows what�s best �
4. She reacts this way when people le faltan el respeto �
5. She reads to you before bedtime �
6. She isn�t afraid to talk about the importance of el respeto (especially when it comes to women) �
7. She likes to highlight accomplishments �

# ¿ Dec 1, 2016 02:16

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