The Whole Internet posted:

Sucks that Zephyr Teachout lost. Deborah Ross lost as well. Everything went to poo poo. The iron fist of fascism has stomped out all hope of a progressive movement.

I have doubts about Elizabeth Warren's ability to debate and speak off the cuff. I do feel like we should try to take another shot at a female president, even though that isn't helping us at all demographically. Who the heck else is there?

Teikanmi posted:

It really all depends to what scale Trump fucks everything up, not who runs against him

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

I'm in favor of picking a candidate years in advance, clearing the field for them, and ramming them through the primaries.

Freemason Rush Week posted:

America Is Already Great.

Freemason Rush Week posted:

I know everyone has fond memories of Warren from all the finger-wagging she's done at bankers, but did you ever notice she doesn't actually... do anything? She won't stick her neck out unless she knows it'll go over well, and she has some pretty bad positions (e.g. Israel/Palestine) that will not fly with millennials.

This is not the time for cautious politicians.

Ace of Baes posted:

Tbh as long as a candidate isnt majorly flawed and as long as Bernie directly attaches himself to a candidate it won't matter if they have a ton of experience, I mean Donald Trump had literally 0 experience.

NumberLast posted:

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/106377979910828032

Mental-Rectangle posted:

These are the same thing though? Obama won all those rustbelt states. Just Jill Stein's votes alone were enough to spoil all of them except Ohio. Field a candidate that doesn't lose so many votes to 3rd parties, and even if the people that voted for Trump stick with him in four years, you'll still win all those states back, at the very least. Field a candidate that motivates better youth turnout and once again states like NC and AZ are on the map.

NumberLast posted:

If Trump is out by 2020, what's the possibility Pence faces a primary challenge? What's the likelihood he wins?

Concerned Citizen posted:

tulsi is a cultist weirdo who hates islam

Phi230 posted:

and they will keep doing it

Alter Ego posted:

I would laugh, but I remember what Saxby Chambliss did to Max Cleland in the GA Senate race--a man who lost both his legs and an arm diving on a grenade to save his squadmates. I would not put it past Trump to turn Tammy Duckworth into a military-hating coward.

And is Ellison official? I thought that was just a Bernie "sign this petition" thing.

Schnorkles posted:

Jim Webb killed a man.

Lord of Pie posted:

FCKGW posted:

remember when we all thought the donald would tear the gop apart? but it turns out he tore the dems apart?

Fulchrum posted:

You can't force unity but you can sure as gently caress destroy it, mainly by inserting and legitimizing bullshit conspiracies about a coronation process and how the system was rigged and unfair.

And a reminder that there was a referenda, dragged out way, way past the point where it was obvious one side won and one side lost. Mind pointing out all the great and wonderful things dragging the primary to the end did? Cause from where I'm sitting, the end result was that the primary bitterness just festered and became impossible to kill, killing support for the winner.

Alter Ego posted:

Jesus Christ, if this doesn't disqualify her in the minds of any sane liberal for 2020...

Abrasive Obelisk posted:

Is there any good thing that could come from Gabbard taking that slot?

Cubey posted:

it's mostly a case of who the gently caress else are they gonna run

Fulchrum posted:

You know what else supported Bernie Sanders? West Virginia.

Karl Barks posted:

jimmy carter is still alive

Lord of Pie posted:

NPR was calling Tulsi "the Republicans' favorite Democrat" today due to her gun stances and Muslim hatin'

Nothing matters

Concerned Citizen posted:

if she takes the position she will never again be an elected democrat. there's no long term advantage to her. it's not like she can credibly say "oh wow i had no idea that trump was fascist, really too me by surprise guys."

Concerned Citizen posted:

she basically agrees with trump on foreign policy re: the middle east so i don't think there's much value added there

Karl Sharks posted:

like she wouldn't get fired for doing non-trump things

Concerned Citizen posted:

i guess i'm old enough to remember when liberals were really mad at people who thought we should prop up dictatorships with huge human rights issues to suppress movements that were ideologically hostile to the united states, though.

GlyphGryph posted:

Next Democratic president is going to be Trump. He's going to switch parties and win the Democratic Primary to get their team-loyalists while pulling all his committed Republican supporters across the divide, and he's gonna get 4 more years based on an overwhelming 70% of the popular vote.

Railing Kill posted:

I guess my point is, this goofiness is a more recent phenomenon with just Obama and Trump, and I think it may hold up at least in 2020 because the Democratic bench is so thin. It may even be a good thing if it means we can nominate someone who isn't an entitled rich weirdo holding onto ideas that failed decades ago. But the Dems will probably break my heart by nominating Mark Cuban or Michael Bloomberg.

zegermans posted:

Also, that racism doesn't exist because Billy Bob Ray Sue Cletus III has a heroin problem.

Thump! posted:

Why did everyone forget about Tim Kaine?

He's gonna get curbstomped by Trump in 2020

Concerned Citizen posted:

i think there's also some sort of myth here that democrats never focus on economics arguments and that's why they lose. in 2014, the entire dem message was economics! they basically ran on raising the minimum wage and college affordability but no one gave a poo poo.

Concerned Citizen posted:

i mean, you're just really totally overestimating the amount of corruption at the federal level vs. local level. nearly all public corruption arrests happen at the local level. there's certainly a lot of money floating around congress to influence, although there's also the very obvious reality that most people in congress are not in competitive districts and don't need campaign funds to get reelected. there are a few blatant examples of corruption (like the jack abramoff stuff) but it's fairly rare and members of congress tend to be under fairly heavy scrutiny.

maybe your mayor does represent your particular interests more than your congressman (if only because the mayor deals with more issues that actually personally affect your life) but it's hardly uncommon to see local politics totally dominated by moneyed developers and special interests to a degree that would make most federal politicians blush. and even if the local politicians are not intentionally corrupt, they are often mislead by more sophisticated actors - for example, does that sewer plant need a $2 million bond or can it be constructed at a fraction of the price? local gov does not often have resources to suss out when they're being lied to.


it might shock you to learn that members of congress don't vote for private prisons, deregulating banks, subsidizing fossil fuels, and preventing UHC because they're corrupt. they do it because they actually believe in those things. money in politics is an issue, but right-wing ideology is actually the thing destroying america.

Echo Chamber posted:

I say this as someone who supported Bernie: it's okay to hate Tulsi.

Oh Snapple! posted:

It should be extremely easy to look at Tulsi and go "I think we can do better."

zegermans posted:

Tulsi was only anti Libya because letting Ghadaffi murder everyone would have led to markedly less Muslims

logikv9 posted:

tulsi defense force, engage *india-pakistan nuclear war breaks out*