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Concerned Citizen posted:Yes well everyone talks about bringing out people who usually don't vote, and no one has ever been able to do it. And many of those voters are not Democrats or Dem-leaning. Even assuming you're correct, neither are the people that do vote. Are you suggesting we keep going further right and give the panera strategy another shot?
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or a hentai vn 
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run on some simple messages that poll well repeat them endlessly dont apologize call the other guys pissbabies once in office, actually accomplish some of the simple stuff you promise, boast about it endlessly repeat
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soviet workers got vacations, unlike most american workers lmao
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Jun 21, 2017 19:41
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Lastgirl posted:for ossoff 
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Zhulik posted:Even assuming you're correct, neither are the people that do vote. Are you suggesting we keep going further right and give the panera strategy another shot? I think the long term strategy should be moving the electorate left, not assuming people's opinions are set in stone. Progressives will never win as long as huge percentages of the electorate fundamentally think government is bad. Then we don't need to move to the right, nor have to rely on non-existent voters.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:42
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Homeless Friend posted:soviet workers got vacations, unlike most american workers lmao They also got free milk if their occupation was hazardous. Where's my free milk, Obungler????
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/MattGlassman312/status/877590546973413380 this is also basically why millenials don't have good jobs or homes too
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Concerned Citizen posted:Yes well everyone talks about bringing out people who usually don't vote, and no one has ever been able to do it. And many of those voters are not Democrats or Dem-leaning. There's a reason the politician trope is a corrupt rear end in a top hat who doublespeaks. There's a reason why Bunny Thunders is the most popular politician in America. It's because he doesn't really act like one
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Jun 21, 2017 19:43
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Al! posted:this is also basically why millenials don't have good jobs or homes too they're too busy killing jobs and homes industries simultaneously its brutal
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Jun 21, 2017 19:44
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Al! posted:i like this one because you can imagine instead of tweets they're text boxes from a jrpg my first thoight too as ever, reality is an order of magnitude stupider
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Concerned Citizen posted:Yes well everyone talks about bringing out people who usually don't vote, and no one has ever been able to do it. And many of those voters are not Democrats or Dem-leaning. It's like they don't care about winning or the people (which would make them win)
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Jun 21, 2017 19:44
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jon ossoff saw those dumb weird lovely commercials for the financial service company where the couple is texting each other about saving for retirement and looking pensieve and was like "that speaks to me"
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Jun 21, 2017 19:46
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Concerned Citizen posted:I think the long term strategy should be moving the electorate left, not assuming people's opinions are set in stone. Progressives will never win as long as huge percentages of the electorate fundamentally think government is bad. Then we don't need to move to the right, nor have to rely on non-existent voters. Okay, sure, that sounds like a plan. What do you figure are some good ways to proceed on that front?
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what I think is so interesting, and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, is that in a lot of ways america and in some ways the UK are realizing their greatest fears of communism under late capitalism -people burning up in their homes due to unsafe building conditions -power controlled by an elite few with unjust rule over the many -individual rights to property denied i.e. john deere saying they can only be leased from corporations -centralized control of industries and culture via monopolies or silicon valley tech giants like spotify -crumbling infrastructure that isn't maintained nor renovated -lack of labor rights and ability to stand up to unfair bosses in essence, hard left radicalism has now no longer become ideal but in fact necessary in order to kick power back down to the many so that the people's needs are more fairly represented and met by the body politic in the policies put forward
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Jun 21, 2017 19:47
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anime was right posted:run on some simple messages that poll well im sorry, im going to need to hire david plouffe ans robby mook and jeff weaver to validate + proof these messages with a focus group then tweak messaging to appeal to romney voters before i feel comfortable adopting this language - jon ossoff, probably
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Jun 21, 2017 19:47
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ThndrShk2k posted:No one has been running on a decent inclusive platform that targets people's needs Bernie lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past primaries.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:49
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Taintrunner posted:feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, in a lot of ways america and in some ways the UK are realizing their greatest fears of communism under late capitalism aside from 'communism' and 'capitalism' being pretty much meaningless terms?
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Jun 21, 2017 19:50
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past primaries. In large part due to overwhelming institutional forces arrayed against him, but hey whose counting right, never mind that overwhelming popularity
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Jun 21, 2017 19:52
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past primaries. Hillary lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past generals.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:52
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past primaries. *Looks at the difference between primaries and actual elections These must not be the reasons 
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Taintrunner posted:what I think is so interesting, and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, is that in a lot of ways america and in some ways the UK are realizing their greatest fears of communism under late capitalism i dont believe in full communism, but ill fight for it because if we get 75% of the way there, poo poo will be pretty good
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Jun 21, 2017 19:53
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Taintrunner posted:what I think is so interesting, and feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, is that in a lot of ways america and in some ways the UK are realizing their greatest fears of communism under late capitalism Don't forget the jewel trotted out with Hayek and the Choice theorists he inspired: Communism will make you work a job you are not suited to/hate/demeans you in the interests of some abstract concept.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:53
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ex post facho posted:In large part due to overwhelming institutional forces arrayed against him, but hey whose counting right Don't think those institutional forces stopped, say, a young voter in Virginia from showing up to vote for Bernie. Lastgirl posted:Hillary lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past generals. 
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Jun 21, 2017 19:54
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anyone remember outlets counting superdels and pledged dels together to show hollary with an insurmountable lead and then when you removed superdels it was a significantly narrower margin good times
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Jun 21, 2017 19:54
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie lost and didn't attract very many new voters compared to past primaries. Oh, good day to you too, zegermans.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:54
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Concerned Citizen posted:Don't think those institutional forces stopped, say, a young voter in Virginia from showing up to vote for Bernie.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:55
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Concerned Citizen posted:Don't think those institutional forces stopped, say, a young voter in Virginia from showing up to vote for Bernie. they stopped me from voting for him in NY.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:56
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ThndrShk2k posted:*Looks at closed primaries and registration problems abound Bernie did not attract many new voters in totally open primaries where he was spending millions, with an electorate small enough where even a small increase in new participants would have flipped many results. At some point you have to demonstrate success at turning out these voters, in some way. Otherwise it's just fantasy politics.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:57
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Hey guys, I think running as anti-establishment/anti-status quo party would most likely work since 65%+ of Americans are living pay check to pay check and are addicted to heroin because their life is a living hell.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:57
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Matt Zerella posted:they stopped me from voting for him in NY. Cool and NY's laws suck. No other state is remotely as bad as that - he still lost most open primaries.
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Jun 21, 2017 19:59
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We need to invest in next-generation smart lanyards.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie did not attract many new voters in totally open primaries where he was spending millions, with an electorate small enough where even a small increase in new participants would have flipped many results. At some point you have to demonstrate success at turning out these voters, in some way. Otherwise it's just fantasy politics. Reality politics is everyone considers politicians mealy mouthed two faced rat bastards and Bernie Sanders gave the most qualified politician a run for her money abruptly by actually caring about people and being one of the least corrupt people in the government with a record to prove it. Just think how that translates to the general. (I call it: Bernie Would've Won)
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Montasque posted:Hey guys, I think running as anti-establishment/anti-status quo party would most likely work since 65%+ of Americans are living pay check to pay check and are addicted to heroin because their life is a living hell. nah, let's run on not raising taxes on the wealthy and denying that single payer is the right solution to a completely hosed healthcare system without actually proposing a better alternative, that'll drive turnout!
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Montasque posted:Hey guys, I think running as anti-establishment/anti-status quo party would most likely work since 65%+ of Americans are living pay check to pay check and are addicted to heroin because their life is a living hell. The best part is the people in power think the United States is immune to the sort of insurrections that topple third world countries that experience massive disparities in wealth and unemployment among college educated youth.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Don't think those institutional forces stopped, say, a young voter in Virginia from showing up to vote for Bernie. In WY bernie had the most votes, but the superdelegates were hillmen so rip party unity in that state lol
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Jun 21, 2017 20:01
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Concerned Citizen posted:Bernie did not attract many new voters in totally open primaries where he was spending millions, with an electorate small enough where even a small increase in new participants would have flipped many results. At some point you have to demonstrate success at turning out these voters, in some way. Otherwise it's just fantasy politics. Didn't this primary season have a markedly increased youth turnout? And didn't he also get something ridiculous like 70+% of those < 30y/o votes?
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Montasque posted:Hey guys, I think running as anti-establishment/anti-status quo party would most likely work since 65%+ of Americans are living pay check to pay check and are addicted to heroin because their life is a living hell. Empty quote Also because the gop are officially at the wheel so we don't have to explain the nuance of Congress vs the president Tromp bad!
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Jun 21, 2017 20:01
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ThndrShk2k posted:(I call it: Bernie Would've Won) he would have, but sadly, the democrats were more interested in clearing the field for iron abuela who could not fail, only be failed #resist
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the "he lost open primaries" poo poo is p. disingenuous given that a large chunk of them occurred in the south
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