Serf posted:

this but unironically

redneck nazgul posted:

it's a good thing you're getting me all hyped up to vote for <insert democrat here>, steve

i don't know how your policies are gonna affect me and my blue collar, but i sure am glad you have this platform of "vote for us, we're not them"

Heaven Spacey posted:

What is a good way to get involved politically or socially at the local level? By which I mean volunteering or community organizing. I want to make the world a better place with my own two hands, even if it's just helping a neighborhood get working streetlights or helping people get clean clothes so they can go to job interviews.

Nameless_Steve posted:

I don't need to water the flowers before a rainstorm.

Nameless_Steve posted:

Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican!

mugrim posted:

Work a pantry or bank, meet with the county Dems repeatedly. Work on some school board elections.

The biggest thing you can do that will have results you can see and feel would be helping to create a union at your place of employment if you're in a state you can. Also, the $15 dollar movement is making real headway in tons of larger cities, and many of those organizers will be doing bigger things in their future.

Nameless_Steve posted:

Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican!

Atrocious Joe posted:

Tbf a probably not insignificant number of people who believed Obama was a Muslim, and that Muslims are suspicious, voted for him.

I really don't know how to think about that.

Joementum posted:

This was my favorite poll finding of 2016: the 2% of Floridians who think Hillary is literally a demon and are voting for her.

Serf posted:

When questions like this started to be asked in earnest we probably should've seen the writing on the wall.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Serf posted:

Exactly. Time to start preparing for a future where essential personhood is questioned openly and acted upon in a quasi-official capacity.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

i'm getting a poncho to go with my lever-action rifles

Heaven Spacey posted:

I live in south Texas. Specifically, the District which used to send the noble and esteemed Dr. Ron Paul to congress time and again.

I actually remember the congressional ads from his race in the 90s when I was a kid. "If I were you, I'd be leery of Sneery."

Nameless_Steve posted:

Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican!

I was a field organizer for Hillary, I can tell you with a high level of confidence that her most diehard fans and ground-level advocates don't want her to run again and aren't even considering the possibility. They've taken pride in the "love-based" campaign she ran and made peace with the fact she'll never be President. She's not running. I'd put money on it.

Serf posted:

Exactly. Time to start preparing for a future where essential personhood is questioned openly and acted upon in a quasi-official capacity.

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

Geostomp posted:

People utterly convinced that this election was not about race need images like this pushed on them 24/7. I want this to be put in future history books to explain just how bad things did become and why a bastard like Trump got elected.

Crowsbeak posted:

Really we should question if any alt right members are people and whether they should be rendered beasts of burden.

Geostomp posted:

People utterly convinced that this election was not about race need images like this pushed on them 24/7. I want this to be put in future history books to explain just how bad things did become and why a bastard like Trump got elected.

Nameless_Steve posted:

I don't need to water the flowers before a rainstorm. The Trumpcession/Trumpression will do that job for me.

Geostomp posted:

People utterly convinced that this election was not about race need images like this pushed on them 24/7. I want this to be put in future history books to explain just how bad things did become and why a bastard like Trump got elected.

GlyphGryph posted:

I don't hate the guy, far from it. He seems like a good person and I'm happy to have him in the party. But... He explicitly defines himself as "strongly fiscally conservative". He doesn't like unions. He doesn't seem to have much of an understanding of how to appeal to people in more rural areas. He is like the epitome of city centered, big business politics. Supporting him seems like a mistake in the current climate. Maybe in four years that will change, but his being pushed this early by people who want him annointed appears to have less to do with him and the good things about him and more to do with the fact that the big money people think he'll do what they want, because he's "one of them", rather than because they think he's the best candidate (or at least it feels like that to me based on where I've seen him being pushed the hardest).

I mean, personally speaking he's great. He is very very close to me on the vast majority of issues, including very important ones. But despite the times I've been put down for a commitment to "ideological purity", I don't think that's true - and in this case, I think aligning too closely with me on issues like not eating meat are actually a bad thing!

I could be convinced. I hope he runs. Based on what I know of his campaigning so far, I don't think he should win, I think it would be bad for the party if he did, but he could change my mind.

I absolutely do not want to see another candidate annointed before the primaries actually kick off, though. If he wants it, let him fight for it and prove he can do it.

comingafteryouall posted:

remember that time during the election we spent like 2 weeks hammering Trump about using a star on a meme?

surely if we just keep saying anti-Semitic we'll eventually convince everyone Trump is Hitler!

Geostomp posted:

People utterly convinced that this election was not about race need images like this pushed on them 24/7. I want this to be put in future history books to explain just how bad things did become and why a bastard like Trump got elected.

comingafteryouall posted:

remember that time during the election we spent like 2 weeks hammering Trump about using a star on a meme?

surely if we just keep saying anti-Semitic we'll eventually convince everyone Trump is Hitler!

Crowsbeak posted:

Really we should question if any alt right members are people and whether they should be rendered beasts of burden.

Samurai Sanders posted:

Before the election I thought that antisemitism was mostly for old farts and wouldn't be making a comeback to compete with the new hotness of Islamophobia and so on. I guess I was wrong.

I learned so much from this election.

Geostomp posted:

People utterly convinced that this election was not about race need images like this pushed on them 24/7. I want this to be put in future history books to explain just how bad things did become and why a bastard like Trump got elected.

Fullhouse posted:

"The mayors of NYC, Chicago, LA, and Silicon Valley should secede from the Union in all but name so they can continue to engage in uninterrupted globalism"

zegermans posted:

But probably not worth concentrating on.

Nameless_Steve posted:

If Trump doesn't turn dictator and rig the elections and we win in 2018–– I.E. we gain a ton of governorships and we don't lose seats in the Senate–– then 2020 will be a cakewalk no matter who we nominate. It could be loving Lieberman and all the progressives will be knocking doors out there in full force.

Nameless_Steve posted:

If Trump doesn't turn dictator and rig the elections and we win in 2018–– I.E. we gain a ton of governorships and we don't lose seats in the Senate–– then 2020 will be a cakewalk no matter who we nominate. It could be loving Lieberman and all the progressives will be knocking doors out there in full force.
Trump is the shittiest person to ever be elected President, is already the shittiest President-elect ever, and will be the shittiest President ever. He's skipping intelligence briefings. He's throwing money at any company threatening to outsource. His cabinet is the Legion of Doom.
Even if he does a fantastic job (he absolutely won't), that 4.5% unemployment rate is going to go back up and all Dems have to do is shout "WHERE ARE THE JOBS, DONALD? WHERE'S THE WALL, DONALD? WHY HASN'T MEXICO PAID FOR IT?" and hammer him on all his broken promises and inevitable failures, and we should be all set.

loquacius posted:

Data does not back up the "roughly 50% of America is literal Nazis" hypothesis

Like, the literal Nazis are out there, and they love Trump, but they are not demographically significant and cannot win a presidential election by themselves.

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I don't know what "liberal" even means anymore

Serf posted:

No one is saying that. What we are saying is that is wasn't totally about race. There are other factors for this loss and if we don't address them we will lose again.

Nameless_Steve posted:

If Trump doesn't turn dictator and rig the elections and we win in 2018–– I.E. we gain a ton of governorships and we don't lose seats in the Senate–– then 2020 will be a cakewalk no matter who we nominate. It could be loving Lieberman and all the progressives will be knocking doors out there in full force.

Trump is the shittiest person to ever be elected President, is already the shittiest President-elect ever, and will be the shittiest President ever. He's skipping intelligence briefings. He's throwing money at any company threatening to outsource. His cabinet is the Legion of Doom.
Even if he does a fantastic job (he absolutely won't), that 4.5% unemployment rate is going to go back up and all Dems have to do is shout "WHERE ARE THE JOBS, DONALD? WHERE'S THE WALL, DONALD? WHY HASN'T MEXICO PAID FOR IT?" and hammer him on all his broken promises and inevitable failures, and we should be all set.

Nameless_Steve posted:

If Trump doesn't turn dictator and rig the elections and we win in 2018–– I.E. we gain a ton of governorships and we don't lose seats in the Senate–– then 2020 will be a cakewalk no matter who we nominate. It could be loving Lieberman and all the progressives will be knocking doors out there in full force.
Trump is the shittiest person to ever be elected President, is already the shittiest President-elect ever, and will be the shittiest President ever. He's skipping intelligence briefings. He's throwing money at any company threatening to outsource. His cabinet is the Legion of Doom.
Even if he does a fantastic job (he absolutely won't), that 4.5% unemployment rate is going to go back up and all Dems have to do is shout "WHERE ARE THE JOBS, DONALD? WHERE'S THE WALL, DONALD? WHY HASN'T MEXICO PAID FOR IT?" and hammer him on all his broken promises and inevitable failures, and we should be all set.


That's good reasoning and I respect it. I don't think anyone should ever be deemed "inevitable" ever again, either.

Maybe I'm tickled by the idea of history repeating itself: an idiotic rich white douchebag makes a huge mess in the White House and then a purple-eyed charismatic young black Democrat spends the next eight years picking up the pieces. Just repeating that trend over and over until the end of time. Cory Booker would be a great candidate if he simply runs as Obama 2008 Redux, because in 2020 this country will be begging for Obama back.

I don't know that I'll vote for him in the primaries. I hope we get a good selection of candidates out there. The also-rans should be more interesting than O'Malley, Chafee, and Webb.