SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

whenimmashoo posted:

I want to know this too. How the gently caress?

I really think this is simply because Trump was loving insane and embarrassing. No one wanted to cop to supporting an orange clown hitler unless they were just classless and oblivious. There were plenty of classy and aware people that decided to vote for him though, but I doubt they would have polled that way.

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Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

LastInLine posted:

Given the fact that you're 100% correct, I'm going to assume you don't live on a coast.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 05:38

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Instant Sunrise posted:

i heard this on a podcast and it really fits where this election outcome came from

democrats took trump literally but not seriously, republicans took trump seriously but not literally.

Yeah, that's good.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:01

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

gently caress ACA, gently caress public option, gently caress mandates, gently caress subsidies. That poo poo is completely bust. Full single payer is what we should go after, if the GOP mercifully kills ACA.

You know this would be MORE attractive to everyone right? Well except for insurance companies, and therein lies the rub.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:19

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

this large parsnip, it gets it :trumppop:

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:19

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Doorknob Slobber posted:

I'm not a white middle class democrat and I think its fair told hold Trump and anyone who voted for him responsible for any racist poo poo going down right now. Even if they aren't racists themselves they supported a candidate who's rhetoric was not only racist, but encouraged acts of violence against minorities.

Also I am going to be a democrat in the future and I'm going to attach myself to everything democrat I can get near like a disgusting loving leech and call out anyone who thinks even just a little bit of racism is ok with the most vulgar nonsense imaginable. Thank Trump for that too.

You're working pretty hard to keep missing the point.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:48

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Princess Di posted:

I literally avoid the south due to racism, also small towns and the dark alleys in said small towns. I'm not trolling here Im just talking about how I navigate the world.

So literally, a bubble. Like I get that it's easy for me to say that, and there are actual dangers. but you have to come to grips with the fact that you can't just wall off yourself from vast swaths of land and people because of some narrative you've been fed and expect to ever even sort of understand the world at large.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:54

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

resar posted:

I think I'm a socialist now :trumppop:

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 06:57

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

bump_fn posted:

im not trying to denigrate your point of view and your honestly probably legitimate fears for many scenarios. the point is that while yes of course some of these people are terrible racist shitheads, some of them voted for obama but not clinton and those people can be recaptured if the leftist democrats are heard.

I think we could even say most of them are not terrible racist shitheads. And for every two racist shitheads one is only that way out of default social poo poo for the lulz or cred.

Neolibs want to talk about economic incremental but treat racism in tyool 2016 as something that is all or nothing, innate and irredeemable. Maybe talk to a loving human being and change their mind.

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 07:04

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Princess Di posted:

Would you live in a town where you have every reason to believe the people there won't allow you to find work due to the narratives your people have shared with you. You will have trouble finding a mate or even being safe in your home or even in a church. Again these narratives are from your own people and their lived experiences.

Could you live there then?

What would your opinion be of this town?

Jesus gently caress you are thick

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 07:05

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

MJ12 posted:

Finally, to tie back to #2, there are tons of 'gun control' proposals which can reduce gun violence significantly and do not involve categorical bans of anything, which do not involve shoulder things that go up, and which do not involve anything scary like mass confiscation. Keeping guns away from domestic abusers and felons isn't 'gun control' in the sense that these guys are afraid of. So I think you can change the messaging on this. It's not about taking away guns. (AFAIK the three most effective ones are basically permit-to-purchase, firearms restraints on misdemeanor DV convictions, and regular audits of gun stores, none of which require categorical bans of firearms ownership). This is the sort of 'smart gun law' we should be advocating for. It's not about keeping you, Mr. Law Abiding Citizen, from buying a gun. It's about keeping That Shithead Who Beats His Wife from keeping a gun to shoot his wife with. It's about getting Those Motherfuckers Who Sell Guns To Gang Members And Nobody Cares out of business so gun stores which don't do that poo poo can compete. Permit to Purchase is probably the only one that needs some work to be sold. If you can keep people from being shot to death in greater numbers with a law that doesn't inconvenience gun owners much, why shouldn't we be advocating that? You can win over the gun control demos with the results. And sell it to them via people who actually have lots of experience with guns. The AWB was sold to the public on the backs of a lot of hunters and other gun owners who backed it. Learn from the strategies used on it, but don't get monofocused on trying to make the 1990s happen again.

It's probably not going to make them more inclined to vote for you the same way going full on pro-NRA would, but the idea here is that you want to have something which keeps your pro-gun control base on side while not losing support from gun owners.

Look, you're right that there are a lot of reasonable gun control measures that could be taken, that most gun owners and voters would agree to in isolation. The problem is that the whole thing has gotten so loving divisive, ANY measure is instantly repulsive to pro-gun voters. Because they've seen the constant attempts to enact various bans and restrictions as this constant and insidious pressure from the left with a single ultimate focus of getting rid of all guns. Time and time again the argument is "look Australia got rid of all their guns, won't you just agree to this one step in that direction", which sounds a lot like "... rid of all ... guns ...". Everytime there's a shooting somewhere, gun owners sigh, and get ready for a week of hearing about how gun crazy Americans are and how like a whole hundred people die in mass shootings because of us.

Furthermore, gun violence does not kill that many people on an objective basis, and the vast majority of those deaths are easily preventable in a different way: better mental health, improved economic conditions (lol if you think guns *cause* crime), encouraging the 'responsible' part of 'responsible gun ownership'. Doubling down on anything re: gun control only whips up the core base of urbanites who just can't understand why anyone would ever want or need a gun (which I understand, I was one once), and repels anyone who thinks any shade of otherwise. It's just not a winning solution.

Both parties need to start casting the net a lot wider, instead of figuring out how to appeal to base harder than ever. I think the Republicans get this -- and by get this, I mean were totally loving destroyed internally by Trump hitting them like a bomb. FFS someone said "I'm proud to be gay" on stage at the RNC (a billionaire, sure) -- but I legit think that is a sign of a wider net, not one that they schemed and planned on, but one that they stumbled into.

hailthefish posted:

^^
basically said it better than I could

Mao Zedong Thot has issued a correction as of 18:29 on Nov 11, 2016

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 18:20

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

This thread is good and fills me with hope :unsmith:

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 18:31

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Fast Luck posted:

Someone used extremely common the "rat fleeing a sinking ship" analogy and youre crying that it's getting "really toxic" are you serious

lol, and this is why we have people literally voting against "political correctness"

Not because they think calling Jewish people rats is good and okay and something we should do, but instead because just SHUT THE gently caress UP NO ONE CARES

# ¿ Nov 11, 2016 19:38

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

it's cause the scream was unexpectedly high pitched and then the media

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 18:29

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Peel posted:

trump is even less popular than clinton, he's a widely despised man. but the republican vote just seems more stable in general and turning out more people is always useful

voters that strongly disliked both trump and hillary voted for trump 2-1

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 19:19

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

voters that strongly disliked both trump and hillary voted for trump 2-1

pretty much this sums up the election in it's entirety

# ¿ Nov 13, 2016 19:20

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

Princess Di posted:

So when we talk about Hillary voters in the general election class,

You are talking about minorities. We voted for Hillary.

You are talking about women. We voted for Hillary.

However,

Young white men with college degrees and in larger numbers white men without college degrees in large part voted for Trump.

Millenials had lower turnout (stayed home)

Left leaning independents voted third way or sat out.

So say it with me class, white men of all stripes voted for Trump, and those of them that did not agree with Trump but wanted to remain ideologically pure let him become president.

Millenials who at least have youth and na�vet� on their side also sat home and let a racist clown become president.

Millennials and left leaning independents were what made up Bernie's voter base.

The party was split, and frustration led the Bernie supporter to stay home.

So stop blaming Hillary supporters.

That is tantamount to deliberately knocking over glass and then lashing out at the concept of the glass.

When action was required, so called activists preferred to make an ideological point instead. That is fine by the way.

Just stop stringing up the only people who bothered to do something to fix the problem.