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loquacius posted:Counterpoint: most Shakespeare fuckin rules (I say "most" as a guy who read torture-porn drama Titus Andronicus and the aptly-named Much Ado About Nothing) and making everybody read it is one of the least evils our education system has since reading books that are fun to read gets kids pumped up about literature. Burn all Joyce books. YOU DISRESPECT MY ANCESTOR But yeah, he's not exactly easy to read.
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jackofarcades posted:Well, it depends on the reasons Clinton lost as badly as she did in some of these counties. If it's a Clinton problem, we can fix it. If it's a Trump problem, we can try to counteract that. If it's just that the country is becoming more racially partisan, we could be hosed. If a politician has to say "Blue Lives Matter" to win Ohio and Iowa, it could be a real problem. I think more people don't give a poo poo about politics than deeply give a poo poo about politics.
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I LITERALLY CAN'T BELIEVE HOW STUPID THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN WAS SHE PLAYED CHICKEN WITH TRUMP IN MICHIGAN, LIKE LITERALLY, THEY DIDN'T PUT RESOURCES THERE BECAUSE THEY WERE BLUFFING HIM TO THINK IT WASN'T GONNA BE VULNERABLE NOW WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP HER BULLSHIT MESS I'M SO MAD RIGHT NOW
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Nov 17, 2016 19:06
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Wanna see a goddamn funny joke http://bronxdems.org/new/events/
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Nov 17, 2016 19:19
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People really should see this page
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Nov 17, 2016 19:27
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Condiv posted:A couple of lines from that video really nail the problems with the hillary campaign: "and people still have the nerve to ask what her plan is. Her plan is to win against hatred and slurs. Just three words "I'm with her"" "I'm with Her" is the worst goddamn slogan in history. Edelman's interview also has a key point where a dude says "you're talking about oppression" and doesn't seem to realize that for the individual the grand economic picture doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the service sector is up if you're unemployed or making less money. You still feel like the economy isn't good. Cause for you, the economy isn't good.
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Nov 18, 2016 17:34
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theflyingexecutive posted:good sweet lol u didn't vote for Hillary because she threatened your video games twenty years ago Hillary has had a long record of sucking. Sorry for it being pointed out.
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Powercrazy posted:Just got out of the New Kings Democrats meeting and my representative Nydia Velazquez was there. They are fairly organized, very progressive, and are absolutely not on board with how lovely the "blue state" of New York is with regards to local and state government. Good, it feels fuckin' impossible to get involved with this party in NY. Erie went republican for president in the first time since like goddamn forever and the only thing on the events calendar was a democratic club meeting in Elma(a small town) that was 5 old people.
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Nov 19, 2016 20:42
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LinYutang posted:remember how hillary was gonna hire The Best People? The new origin of why we call people Mooks
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Nov 20, 2016 00:28
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It was unfathomable arrogance
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Nov 20, 2016 01:53
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Politics sucks but it ain't gonna get any better unless non-sucky people are involved
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Nov 20, 2016 03:16
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Accretionist posted:State and local 4ever Let's look at New York. Solid blue. The headquarters of the democratic candidate and new minority leader. The party should be vibrant and in control. This is their webpage. Slick enough, with the main draw being one or two sentences on their policies. Wanna get involved? Well, that's harder to figure out what to do. Although this page exists, those links are just forms to fill out. They don't tell you anything else about what to do and require you to put in effort at first to even get anywhere. If you want to learn about who to talk to, you'll be tricked if you try and look for information on the leadership because that's just full of glowing biograhpies about the congresspeople. The best you got is to go to the county page and hope your county has a good webpage. Or a webpage at all. Some don't even have phone numbers or addresses listed. So what about the republicans? The state votes Democratic every 4 years and power is deeply consolidated in NYC, a stronghold. What's their website like? Huh look at that it's really good. Want to know who's in charge of your area? Got it right here. Just click where you are on the map. Don't know where you are on the map? You'll learn something! Not only does it tell you who's in charge, it tells you EVERYONE who's in charge. Wanna call a representative? It's right fuckin' there. Many individual counties do not have an actual webpage, but they do have facebook accounts where they list events. All of them. At least, all of them I checked. See how red that map is? It's cause the democrats aren't fuckin' trying. NY is rich and full of power, and the democratic party should be in ascent. But it isn't. It's confined to the big city, and even there it's complacent. What's the point of all this power if you can't actually use it to DO anything? Are the New York State democrats trying to get elected, or are they trying to pat each other on the back with money and jobs? Cause it looks like the latter.
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Grey Fox posted:Here's a wacky idea: let's keep all the stuff about wanting to end systemic oppression/exploitation of POC and other minorities while ALSO directly addressing the economic oppression/exploitation of the non-1%. If the democrats can't show people who've been beaten down by capitalist forces a future they can see themselves in, how the gently caress do they expect them to vote for them?
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etalian posted:The USPOL Diner is right across the street if you don't like this menu Although if you're not after salt...
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Pollyanna posted:Mind if I repost this on social media? Who/what should I attribute it to? I don't care if you repost it and I don't care who you attribute it to. I'm honored enough that you think it's worth sharing.
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theres a will theres moe posted:Though I do hate rural white people. Everybody knows you're not supposed to say it to them. They're victims of capitalism, dawg. They're just people. I helped hand out winter clothes on Friday to a school district that has over 80% in attendance on free/reduced lunch programs. A lot of these famlies had outgrown their old clothes and had really cheap and worn out poo poo. This is outside of Buffalo. Yeah, that Buffalo. They're mad. They feel ignored. But they're human beings, and they don't have to be our enemy. They can be one of our greatest allies. Grondoth has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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blamegame posted:The concentrated hatred against the DNC makes me realize how much people sort of expect their parties to be these centralized machines, something they really haven't been in a long time. Individual campaigns are centralized machines, and like, the pseudo confederation of campaigns led by say a national campaign and maybe directed by prominent members of the party using some common but mostly ad hoc infrastructure can give the appearance of clear order, but the organization called the DNC is just not a huge player in american politics, is my understanding. So this fixation with it as the root of or even a symbol of everything wrong w/the dems is very strange to me. It's a start, I think. I see it less as a positive expectation and more of a feeling of how it is, that it feels like the democratic party is controlled from on high because it's hard to see, at least as observers, the influence and power of the local and state levels. So when people get mad at "the party," they really only have things like the DNC to get mad at. As long as changes to the DNC don't make people stop being angry, I think it's okay.
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Nov 21, 2016 01:12
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Nov 21, 2016 02:20
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logikv9 posted:vince foster deserved it I can't believe he committed suicide. I can not believe he committed suicide. How could he have done that? How could he have committed suicide?
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Nov 21, 2016 02:27
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Nov 21, 2016 02:43
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Agean90 posted:Start from scratch I guess. Say here is what the commisoner does and here is how it affects the issues you care about. Problem is getting that out there to people en masse and what to do about the "My vote doesn't matter lol so jaded" morons. Local government is the answer to "my vote doesn't matter," in theory. There's not that many people voting for the county commissioner, which makes the race way more personal and it's easier to grasp that your vote does matter. The issue is that a lot of people don't know what those offices do or that they're actually important. Like, uh... like me
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Nov 21, 2016 19:42
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With Trump in charge, things get bad enough we start getting the cool parts of cyberpunk instead of all the awful parts, so we get cool cyberware. Or magic
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get this weak poo poo outta here Joementum
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Tatum Girlparts posted:do you genuinely not know how someone running to be president of the loving country allying herself with a movement of people who lost their family to functionally legally protected racial violence and promising to fight for them and all is a hopeful message for people who see other leaders saying 'eh maybe that kid deserved it huh?' and compared to mr LAW AND ORDER BLUE LIVES MATTER? "I have allied with you" and "I understand what you're going through" are not "things will be better." "This shouldn't happen" isn't "this won't happen again."
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Nov 22, 2016 19:39
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:I actually really hope there is a lesson learned that good policy needs to be understandable for it to be good policy. Like Obamacare has certainly helped a lot of people but I think it has certainly hurt his presidency by being so loving dense that many people are just reflexively against it. As opposed to something straightfoward like 'hey anyone can now sign up for Medicare if you want', which is at least partially why people are drawn to Sanders so much. The obsession the center left has with means testing and complicated hoops to jump through are all super depressing and annoying. The residual model of social services they push is the same drat model the conservatives do, just with easier hoops. gently caress hoops! Don't make people jump through poo poo! We've managed to let the right turn entitlements, you know, the word that means "poo poo you goddamn deserve," into a bad word. gently caress that! People deserve these things! It's written in our goddamn founding document that as people, we deserve things!
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temple posted:Please be nice to white people. It IS good to be nice to people, no matter what the color of their skin.
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Bushiz posted:I think that's the astroturfing, though. Democratic Thought Leaders, in the form of blog posts, distribute talking points and the wannabe pundit facebook class reads these pieces, accepts them unconditionally, and repeats them so as to seem like the Very Serious People they idealize. Well, yeah. People read or hear the things that people they think are smart are saying and repeat them, cause they think they're smart. Politics is hard enough to follow with people guiding you, it's really hard without people guiding you. I donno how else to challenge it aside from this election proving them all wrong. I mean people were unironically quoting Y-San from DC prefecture's piece about how Hillary is actually a very good politician. I hope now they look at that and go "gently caress, maybe he doesn't know what the gently caress he's talking about." It's the case with all crisis situations, they show that the reality you were operating under was false or maladaptive. If someone thinks their drinking isn't an issue, it's hard for them to argue that when they crashed their car into a tree and are in the hospital after driving home drunk. The Very Serious Coastal Liberals really can't argue their triangulation and demographics-based strategies are working anymore, cause for gently caress's sake Trump won. So hopefully, people won't listen to them anymore.
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There's no way the Green Party wouldn't ask for recounts in close states. They got fuckin' blamed for 8 years under bush cause the recount in Florida was stopped before it actually showed that Gore won. They're being blamed now even though more people didn't vote for anyone on the president line than voted for the greens or libertarians.
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Nov 23, 2016 21:10
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100 degrees Calcium posted:I dunno like, I feel that they were proven wrong, but it doesn't appear to have made a dent in their minds. They're literally blaming Bernie Sanders for losing the primary and driving a wedge between "Bernie Bros" and some imaginary portion of Clinton supporters that actually care about minority rights. Very Serious People who refuse to understand what happened cannot be saved. But people can stop goddamn listening to them, especially since there's an animating, positive, and courageous alternative narrative that offers solace through action. "The electorate sucks and it was all the fault of the primary" is catharsis, but it leaves you nowhere to turn.
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Alter Ego posted:Is ANYONE seriously blaming the Green Party for this one? It worked in 2000 because it was one state and the margin was like 500 votes, but not this time. that_maddow_tweet.png
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Nov 23, 2016 21:15
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We must dispel this notion that Jill Stein doesn't know what she's doing. She knows exactly what she is doing.
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zegermans posted:If only we'd run the communist jew, then Billy Bob Ray Cletus Sue would see the light Billy Bob Ray Cletus Sue is a communist, so yes 
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:kind of off topic but i listened to some more chapo trap house and 1. theyre pretty good 2. they have to be old lf posters or something Ally talk radio is a top 10 bit of all time
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crazy cloud posted:Some are saying it's my turn to hit this blunt, and if that's what they're saying, I say *extremely forced n weird delivery* DEAL. ME. IN!!!!!* *incredibly long delay* I may NOT be...BROWN DASH*pause for applause that doesn't come* But I say, PUFF!! and PASS!!
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Darkman Fanpage posted:im starting to think politics is dumb it is
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Nov 25, 2016 22:40
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Volcel or Incel? This is important.
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why is everyone trying to score owns on each other in this, the thread about how the democrats are useless at doing anything but trying to score owns on people on twitter and getting nothing done
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tower time posted:Personally I found the post-election analysis and breakdown of the Clinton campaign and some information about to people to contact to advance a progressive agenda pretty useful, the discussions afterwards about which side we we should have supported during the Spanish civil war and how to better engage with the Adult Baby/Diaper Lover community a bit less so. This is one of a few useful threads right now, because it fully embraces that the Democratic party is in crisis and must be changed and rebuilt. We've made a huge list of people to contact about DNC chair and had people go to public meetings outta it. We must not let it fall to standard leftist infighting about marxist terms while people try and burn each other over the internet. It's actually accomplishing something
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blue squares posted:The amount of posters itt who are too cool for parks and rec gifs is hilarious. POLITICAL PARTIES ARE NOT FORUM CLIQUES A SERIOUS POLITICAL PARTY MAKING WEAK BURNS ON TWITTER IS EMBARASSING
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