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NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Venom Snake posted:

Warren doesn't want the Party reigns. It remains to be seen if Bernie wants them. I wouldn't blame him for giving up.

Wait a week. This was just a big blow. I think either of the two will step up.

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NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Oh Snapple! posted:

to spell it out further, you lost because telling poor and disadvantaged people that they're not poor and disadvantaged enough is a loving stupid line to take

He is one of the bad people. He looks down on the poor unless they have an out.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

tadashi posted:

The problem with Democrats is that it's like they look at elections in 4 year cycles and Republicans look at every day as a new opportunity to gently caress with Democrats.

The problem is, as both Trump and Tea part prove, they are extremely adaptable and realize party politics is a intercompetive team sport not a fraternal order. Right leaning compassionate converstivism not working? Let's go with Right Leaning insane lolibertrianism. That not getting votes and getting our asses kicked? Nativism and nationalism will do it then.

Democrats? "Uh, Woke Technocratic Captalism not working? We have to try harder! gently caress the socialist who wants to win"

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Pomp posted:

but when push comes to shove they don't care about the people that trump is an existential threat to, and i can't comprehend how they fell for the man's blatant lies

People who drown, usually, will drown another person to get leverage to breathe air if their desperate enough.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Peel posted:

Lastly when declaring that people shouldn't be angry or contemptuous of Trump or his supporters, recall that the Republican response to Obama was to immediately melt down about the socialist usurper, and this reaction delivered them the House, the Senate and ultimately the presidency.

I'm only going to respond to this because this sums up how wrong about everything you are and incapable of self examination.

Dems got insanely lazy in 2010, and passed down a watered down healthcare law that only plutocrats liked and told working class whites to just eat the scarps given. With the high black turnout, congressional dems essentially thought the Obama effect applied to them and picked the wrong horse. Obama rectified this but 2012, but the damage was done and was mostly saved by an rear end in a top hat like Romney who told poor whites to go gently caress themselves. Until 2016, the Dems ignored them and Rebs despised on a low key level. Until now, democrats were suffering from laziness and poor planning, along with continued apathy. Dems seem to only to care about the Big House and are letting to let republicans win "small victories".

Trump understand the frustration of the working class and made the Dems pay for 20 plus years of ignoring the largest demographic in America. Having a tanturm like the Tea Party did won't work, because they gerrymandered the districts to capitalize on angry white dudes. Having a tantrum won't work against working whites, because there are too many of them. They are the majority. Demographics might change in twenty years true, but the changes in America can be so vast as to change that. That isn't, ah, loving good.

You have no one to blame but yourself and Woke Corporate Friendly Liberalism. Telling an out of work construction worker about how he has to check his privilege was, in lieu of rebuilding the safety net, dumb and unironically blind to the insane privilege professional college grads have. It is still extremely possible to have this conversations, feminism and other civil rights groups have evolved before. Women's rights groups used to pal around with white nationalist groups and help form lynch mobs, they then went to work with the Black Panthers. poo poo changes and alliances have to change for the betterment of everyone.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

etalian posted:

they lost since the messaging was out of touch with the country's zeitgeist and the carefully crafting artificial image failed.

Hillary lost, Trump won.

Democrats aren't going to learn poo poo and cry again when neoliberal and anti white poor candidate 2.0 gets their poo poo kicked in too.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Segmentation Fault posted:

The nasty woman tag owns because it's a great reminder of the consumerist pinkwashing "male tears mug" feminism designed to appeal to upper class yuppie women that was partially responsible for sinking the election

girls was more damaging to america than 9/11

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

loquacius posted:

My uncle who works at Nintendo reports that Hillary was in a "pyschotic, drunken rage" election night

The actual truth was hilarious enough. She was crying and blaming the FBI/Obama. She as always was a sore loser and coward

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NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Bushiz posted:

giving credit to the GOP is probably misplaced as maybe millenials are just looking around and seeing that capitalism is obviously in utter freefall.

It's both. Republicans overused and made the term meaningless, and the economy/world is a lovely enough for it to have taken an effect and make people want change.

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