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Yeah but Obama won despite the smears, twice, by overwhelming amounts. The Republican smear machine is not a guarantee of losing a presidential election.
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Dick Milhous Rock! posted:Look, Bernie Sanders is great, but Bernie Sanders was not campaign Obama. Obviously, instead all we had was a terrible campaign that lost an easily winnable election. Look, obviously Sanders isn't Obama. But if you had told me, a month ago, that Trump wouldn't even get as many votes as Romney got in 2012, I would have assumed that a world-historic rear end kicking. Instead, well, he won. Maybe Trump was just unbeatable. Maybe Sanders would have gotten his rear end kicked. But "the Republican smear machine!!!!!" is not a good argument when you look at the overwhelming margins a Kenyan Muslim socialist won, in two consecutive elections. Or, another way, the people who are susceptible to "Obama is a gay Muslim from Africa" and "Sanders is a terrifying jew commie" were never, ever going to vote for a Democrat anyway, and certainly not a thing to consider when choosing a candidate in the primaries.
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Nov 13, 2016 12:02
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I don't disagree. With Hillary it was "she's in bad health, emails, FBI investigation, Benghazi, 1990s Clinton scandals", and I suppose it worked -- Trump won. The only argument I am making here is that "Sanders [or xyz candidate] would get crushed by the Republican smear machine, therefore unelectable" is weak, considering what Obama (and Bill, frankly) got, and won in spite of. e: actually wasn't "Obama is black so nobody will vote for him in the general" a Clinton argument from the 2008 primary?
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Nov 13, 2016 12:14
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it's almost as though arguments about electability due to Republican bullshit smears.... are not good.
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Nov 13, 2016 12:29
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if donald trump devotes all his energy to humiliating mitt romney for 4 years it wont realy be that bad
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Nov 13, 2016 15:48
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freddie is a handsome boy and im glad hes posting again
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Nov 13, 2016 16:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It was funny to see the reactions from the image obsessed parts of the Left claiming that Freddie & Connor are too obsessed with white workers (even though they were absolutely decisive), only for Freddie to remind them all that deindustrialization affected black workers even worse, and that their suppressed turnout also made the difference.  why continue to bring it up when you have the power of chart`s
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https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/797817209187864576 this is a good thread to read, about the differences between the democratic and republican parties as organizations, and why democrats keep getting owned (sorry i dont know how to embed tweets) e: or here is the whole thing without numbering quote:Common trope in media criticism: the media is/was structurally incapable of noting that the GOP is no longer a "normal" political party. Wrong! The GOP is a normal political party. It's the Democrats that are something else. The GOP is a distasteful, racist, weird party. Sure. But its fundamental commitment at all levels is getting itself elected. That's what parties do. Their whole purpose is to provide an infrastructure through which individual candidates can win office. The Democrats, on the other hand, are something more like a nebulous consultancy for people too lazy to finish grad school. The Democrats are a "strategic communications firm" that bills city govs looking for "smart solutions" to "the problems of tomorrow." I make fun of the GOP as a party of professional grifters, which they are. But the Braziles of the world are running the *real* scam. In the immortal words of Frank Zappa, "we're only in it for the money." If you try to understand the Democrats as a political party, you come away confused. If you consider them a "think tank," they make sense. Like a think tank, their main purpose is to employ failed academics, the Yglesii of the world pretending to do research. The Dems' main concern is to scam 6-fig salaries for guys with Ivy-League BAs, too dumb to manage grad schools language requirements. We laugh about all the right-wing welfare publications, but the whole Democratic party is welfare for Ivy-League mediocrities. The GOP is lovely, but it's a regular, recognizable political party. Sure, it's got plenty of scammers, but at a fundamental level? What did the GOP do, in and out of power? It thought about winning elections, starting at the state level. What did the Dems do? They gave each other jobs. When they accidentally got power, they dithered and compromised. People mock Trump's laziness, but what did Obama do in the first 100 days with a supermajority? Make some laconic comments? So I will join you in fighting against the "normalization" of Trump, but I won't let you pretend the GOP is something new. The GOP is America's right-wing party. It has been for nearly a century. It is the Democrats who became something weirder. "For every vote we lose in central PA, we'll gain 2 republicans in the suburbs?" Lol. Sounds like a "communications" grift to me. Sell that poo poo to the under-funded non-profit down the road. I'm not buying. Swan Oat has issued a correction as of 09:22 on Nov 14, 2016 |
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on the other hand... this is the same party that got owned in 2004 and 2016 by running on the idea that if they're just less awful than the other guy, everyone will vote for them instead. if they haven't realized that strategy doesn't work by now, then threatening to note vote their way next time will just be met with more "but how AWFUL and BAD that trump is, you couldnt pOSSIBLY vote for him??????? not voting for me is voting for him so vote for me" and then, well, congrats to trump winning a second term. the point is, purge the democratic party and start over imo
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Nov 14, 2016 10:45
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peter daou used to brag about serving in a fascist christian militia in lebanon to own conservatives, until people started calling him on it, then he threatened to sue them for slander
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Nov 14, 2016 13:38
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isn't trying to appeal to some mythical sense of republican decency, from the donor class and natsec establishment especially, against trump's extremist lunacy, like, exactly how hillary just lost?
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Nov 14, 2016 13:45
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so kennedy understood tv, and obama understood the internet, but trump won because he understood twitter and reality tv, which are distinct from tv and the internet somehow....?  it is really uhh like indicative of living completely ensconced in a beltway media bubble if you think trumps twitter played any role in his victory, lol
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Nov 14, 2016 14:56
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it would of course be a horrible strategy to be obstructionist, everyone remembers the massive losses the gop continually suffered under obama for obstructing him at every turn, not even letting him fill a vacant supreme court spot
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MysteriousStranger posted:It would have been stupid. lmao
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Nov 27, 2016 06:18
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:"Significant" reforms and then you proceed to not list any of them and ignore the fact that Wallstreet is at the exact same place they were before the Great Recession. i would go further and suggest that we put team finance into... the gulag
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Nov 27, 2016 13:53
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https://twitter.com/jakebackpack/status/802992597660790784 good thread on twitter imo
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Nov 28, 2016 09:22
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woudl not invading iraq have ended racism? no? then i guess it was simply the right thing to do.
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Nov 28, 2016 15:34
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zegermans posted:tell black people they're getting lynched by police because minimum wage is too low i agreed with karl marx so hard when he said this that its tattooed on my body memento style, all socialists love to say and type these words and beleive them fully
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Nov 28, 2016 15:42
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clintons post electoral activities sound liek the media equivalent of posting to instagram hundreds of times daily to show your ex youre over it
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Nov 29, 2016 07:32
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after 9/11 we all lost our minds, therefore, democrats had no choice but to kill the gorilla
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Nov 29, 2016 15:48
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pantsuit nation is incredibly my poo poo
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Nov 29, 2016 16:07
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Nanomashoes posted:"Will killing Harambe end racism? Will it end sexism? Then why do it?" says Hillary Clinton. when you consider the best take, that making harambe jokes was because black people are like gorillas with silly names, perhaps... the wokest choice would have been to let the hell ape survive
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Dancing to make monsters feel emotions is literally the plot to an anime video game these idiots thought they could dance their way to a Clinton victory lmao forever quote:There’s nothing like dance to convey enthusiasm and energy, so it’s a natural political tool. The fact that it’s rarely used to rally voters–and even more rarely used so well–is what makes this video feel so fresh. hahahahah a journalist wrote this sincerely
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