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in seriousness, don't alienate the demographic your oppenent needs to win
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Seven theses about what Donald Trump’s election does — and doesn’t — mean. 1. A fear-mongering, race-baiting, predatory Islamophobe has won the White House. I formed my first impressions of Donald Trump listening to a talk by Yusef Salam, one of the Central Park 5. Donald Trump used his inheritance to demand their lynching. He will soon become the most powerful man in the world. Say no more. 2. Yet leftists are forever trying to change the world, in various ways; let us understand it, first. My newsfeed is full of injunctions to organize. Absolutely. But to organize, we should learn the right lessons from this debacle. And to learn the right lessons, we need the right explanations. 3. White supremacy does not explain Trump’s victory, unless all we mean by “white supremacy” is that Trump, like every president before him, was carried to the White House by white people. All Klansmen are Trump supporters, but all Trump supporters are not Klansmen. The one-fact summary of this election is the defection of Rust Belt whites without a college degree. Fifty-odd years ago they were voting for LBJ. Today, left behind by globalization, capital flight, and technical change, they’ve lashed out at the establishment, defending their past (and their welfare state) against assault by any number of scapegoats: China, immigrants, black people. Their fathers had great jobs; they want that world back. The elephant’s trunk has had its revenge. 4. Misogyny does not explain Trump’s victory. 42 percent of women voted for him. Maybe a few were motivated to do so by his sexism, but surely most chose to ignore it. The costs of voting for a predatory, anti-choice sleazeball were outweighed by the benefits of sticking it to the man. If you cannot understand that choice (and I confess I cannot), you have probably not lived through what they have. 5. Stupidity and ignorance do not explain Trump’s victory. These people no longer trust milquetoast liberals, and why should they? Nativism is less establishment, more radical, more promising. Of course Trump won’t bring back the jobs — not from overseas, not from immigrants. But to defeat him we needed a bold, different agenda for those whose world has crumbled over thirty years. They are not the wretched of the earth; far from it. But they’ve lived a miserable few decades, and they’re angry. Instead, liberalism fought Trump with the sweet-nothings of an impeccable insider. 6. Establishment liberalism has no answer because Democrats live in a parallel universe. They are perched on the tip of the elephant’s trunk, where it’s not thirty years of factory closings and opiate addiction, but Uber and stock options. 7. Yet if the Left writes off Trump’s base, we too have no answer. All the socialist POC in the country can’t fill a football stadium, much less put Humpty Dumpty back together again. In the main, we live in universities and/or in blue-state bastions. If organizing means nothing more than doubling down, we are in trouble. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/trump-election-whites-working-class-rust-belt/
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Nov 10, 2016 02:24
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Not a Step posted:For all his personal failings and later poor decisions, Lyndon B. Johnson was one of the greatest presidents in my opinion. The man could get poo poo done. Great things, like civil rights, and horrible things, like Vietnam. But whatever it was LBJ could just make it happen with his own enormous force of personality and outrageously huge penis. jumbo pretty much was his vp
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Nov 10, 2016 04:37
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I think the left democrats should probably get in touch with groups like the guys who took over the UK Labour party. they could probably shed some light on unfucking a neo-liberal political party
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Nov 10, 2016 04:43
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I think enough time has passed to talk about how scapegoating Russia and painting Trump as an agent of the Kremlin was a dumb idea. That got a couple of army gently caress yeah conservatives I know to switch their vote to johnson. Pretty stupid to run with it as a major part of the campaign though
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Nov 10, 2016 05:04
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:What was the worst slogan of the campaign? that one seems to have worked
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Nov 10, 2016 05:19
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Typo posted:was bill ever wrong about anything even in 2008? welfare and criminal justice reform
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Nov 10, 2016 05:22
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:If you want a legit autopsy it's this: people wanted to break the system because they were frustrated that cost of living kept rising (including but not limited to healthcare costs) and wages were somewhere between stagnant and declining. No matter what happens that poo poo is not going to change in the next two years because the gop is fundamentally unable to enact the structural change required to stop it. Highlight this poo poo, run on it, and embrace it. Clinton is dead and gone, so take advantage of that poo poo instead of mourning it. this, listen to the working class. writing an entire section of the population off is a terrible idea.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:47
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I think that this defeat isn't as bad as it could be. yes cheeto benito is the president elect but don't underestimate his ability to gently caress things up. this is a guy who gets easily distracted and has the ability to get into idiotic slapfights with his allies over the most trivial of poo poo. and don't forget that trumps trade platform is going to piss off the republican donor class. clinton getting destroyed also seems to have purged most of the neo-liberal fuckheads from the highest positions in the democratic party and appears to have awakened some genuine reflection over the path forward besides "lol racists"
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Nov 10, 2016 06:32
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Thundercracker posted:Yeah seriously. There are legitimate complaints about his tenor as president. but holy poo poo, was he the coolest president we've ever had full stop. No loving contest. i dunno, teddy shot alot of things and dug a big ditch. where's obamas ditch 
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Nov 10, 2016 06:36
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Not a Step posted:I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and generally think everyone is acting in their own best interests and sometimes those interests conflict or aren't mutually shared interests, but on this one Im gonna disagree and say a lot of those middle American voters knew exactly what they were doing and voted Trump out of pure spite and bile for the coastal elites who abandoned their towns to rot, rather than any misplaced hope that Trump can really turn back time. tbf chucking a brick through the bastard who screwed you's window seems like a sweet idea if you have nothing else
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Nov 10, 2016 08:33
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Yoshifan823 posted:right now there are a bunch of angry progressives and leftist/ish folks out there and the Democrats need to take them and let them run some poo poo or they're going to get Stockholm Syndrome-ed into thinking that Jill Stein isn't so bad, and that would literally be worse than a Trump victory. gently caress you vaccines are the devil 9/11 never happened wifi gave me brain tumour
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Nov 10, 2016 08:37
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Venom Snake posted:We go high when they go low. Thats how LBJ got so much done right? in a way yes he did
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Venom Snake posted:
well if they gently caress pigs its pretty easy to go high
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Nov 10, 2016 08:49
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Strep Vote posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/orientdistress/status/796664869764419584#tweet_796664869764419584 liberals.txt
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Nov 10, 2016 19:06
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Freaking Crumbum posted:i guess the most frustrating thing that this election proved is that you aren't going to get meaningful social reform that will have any real longevity if you don't get the buy-in of white men. turns out telling poor people they are privileged and therefor can get hosed pisses them off.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:13
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Peztopiary posted:The Democrats lost because they said "...those jobs are gone now." and didn't immediately follow it up with "...and we're going to hang the bastards on Wall Street who stole them." They should have attacked Wall Street in the most violently populist terms possible, because no one who works there is even slightly sympathetic. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a citizen of the world rather than as an American has poo poo to offer poor people. really hard to do that when your party leadership is Wall Street
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Nov 10, 2016 20:57
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Lawman 0 posted:looks like they are salivating at a trump presidency anyways. A Trump presidency makes no real difference to them. they aren't going to get attacked by Rightist shitheads
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Nov 10, 2016 21:02
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MJ12 posted:Circular firing squads, sadly, aren't just a leftist phenomenon, they're also a centrist one. And a lot of centrists are the worst about it. everyone is prone to circular firing squads. the republicans went through a big one after losing to obama
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Nov 10, 2016 21:46
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guts and bolts posted:What needs to happen is for an actual national dialogue to take place to get at the root causes of why people do things like "intentionally vote Donald J. Trump into the office of the Presidency" unfortunatly the dems are probably going to do the same "im more conservative then thou" oympics the repubs did but this time about white privilege and other idpol garbage The_Politics_Man has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Nov 10, 2016 21:51
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MJ12 posted:This doesn't explain why libertarian appeals to things like self-made-men and individual rights and freedoms and excoriation of the lazy are so popular, though. I'm not saying you're wrong. I think you might be onto something here. I just want to know how we can get these two disparate factual patterns together. to be very basic right-libertarianism is anti state liberalism. left-libertarianism is anti state socialism.
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Nov 10, 2016 22:08
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hailthefish posted:
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Deimus posted:Or actually try to re-learn marxist class conscioussness, but that's been repressed for like 70 years here so idk.
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Nov 11, 2016 02:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Threaten to join a socialist party if they're going to push this, and follow through on it if he's the chair.
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Nov 11, 2016 05:33
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Princess Di posted:I see where you are coming from and I really want to agree with you. 
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Nov 11, 2016 06:49
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Nov 11, 2016 07:19
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Third World Reggin posted:Just wait for a tiny bush or kennedy to come out. What if they spliced them together in a lab to create the ultimate political dynasty? Bennedy/Kush 2024
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Nov 11, 2016 07:33
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Hey also the "lol Venom Snake is only 20!" comments are dumb and bad because he is legit trying to figure things out. The whole reason we're in this mess is because the Democrats have been sneering at people we view as "below" us. Yes absolutely fight like hell to convince people of your ideas but stop loving writing people off because they're this or they're that.
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Nov 11, 2016 18:40
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TyrantWD posted:That's why they voted for the guy who thinks Wall Street is too heavily regulated and is going to be giving us a tax cut that will primarily benefit the coastal elites. they voted for the guy who promised to break all the toys of the people who screwed them
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Nov 11, 2016 18:41
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Italy is the worst at world wars I dunno germany's 0/2
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Jaminjami posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IwIOUg_Cs
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:FDR took over every loving factory in America and used them to kick the poo poo out of the Krauts. The New Deal happened because the capitalist class was rightfully afraid of a socialist revolution.
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Nov 12, 2016 02:33
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bump_fn posted:people voted for trump instead of hillary for many reasons but a broad one was that for a lot of people she was a well known establishment politician that they had been trained not to trust for decades and had no compelling argument that she would help them when neither side had helped them for a long time The dems don't just need a mesage, they need to actually follow though. Obama had a message of hope, change, and getting the American economy working again. At the end of his 8 years the American working class still hasn't recovered from the recession and the best they have to show for electing him is a lovely insurance plan. The_Politics_Man has issued a correction as of 02:50 on Nov 12, 2016 |
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Nov 12, 2016 02:47
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not really sure if LBJ would be welcome in the modern dems for his hawkishness and FDR wouldn't be welcome for that + being the physical representation of ultra rich power. Ultimately we can argue all day that what they accomplished was good and we need more of it but were going to need to accept that neither of these men would be considered acceptable candidates in 2016. Not talking racism here, just simply that their mentality of intervention and winning at all costs wouldn't be accepted. corpse of Eugene Debs 2020
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/donald-trump-election-polls-whites-working-class/ decent article on trump getting elected
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the mid east is pretty much a century long chain of terrible decisions leading to horrifying bloodshed leading to more terrible decisions
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OAquinas posted:It was one of the cleaner interventions in contemporary US history. That it went to poo poo afterwards is another issue. turns out that if you knock out a country's central government the resulting chaos kills more people than said government but atleast the Bad Man™ is gone
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Nov 12, 2016 06:33
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OAquinas posted:No intervention, no risk of failure, let the chips fall as they may. Not our problem. more or less. if the UN wants the US to supply troops for a peacekeeping mission then by all means send them. Send humanitarian aid to the people there. Going in half cocked not knowing the probable result of intervention is a recipe for a bad situation to get much much worse. history has shown that time and time again.
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