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Spacebump posted:Allegedly some of the players the Mavs are targeting include Fultz, Ball, Smith, and Ntilikina. I'm guessing Ntilikina is the most realistic player for the Mavs to get unless they move up. Where can I read too much about him? Draft express does a really good job covering Euro guys, I think
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Rick posted:Kyrie already demonstrated at least some enjoyment in passing in college, like there's a reason that Monk gets the Lou Williams comp. Yeah sometimes he can run an offense, heck sometimes he can even run it well, but in reality he just really seems like he wants to call his own number, and, heck sometimes that's great too, but in the end he's 6'2" and probably won't be able to defend SGs which is really the only place he's probably safe being played at with that mentality so you can only get so much out of him. Yeah I like Monk a lot but the only reason anyone has ever called him a point guard is because he's short.
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Lockback posted:He seems like a good fit, but I think people keep projecting him to MN because he looks like a guy from Minnesota. This also happens with Utah every year. I think Chad Ford has projected them to take a white guy in like 15 consecutive drafts. Currently he has them taking Moritz Wagner AND Luke Kennard MourningView fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Voleh wasn't really that much worse than Issac as a college player. Slightly worse scorer, slightly better rebounder, similar shot blocker. Actually shot better from 3 but didn't take as many Ellenson is one of the more blatant cases of "well this guy is white so he must be a good shooter" in recent memory
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Think this might be a bad move. I don't like him that much as a prospect but he was probably going in the lottery. Next year is a weaker draft but he's got some flaws that he may not want to give teams another season to pick over. He better hope the 3pt% holds up next year. Also the Big Ten is bringing loving everyone back next year, Jesus
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ragle posted:D.J. Wilson and Mo Wagner are declaring for the draft but not hiring agents (yet) If they're not hiring agents I'd say they're probably coming back, especially Wilson.
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Apr 12, 2017 20:43
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morestuff posted:Did Giles look cooked when he came back for the tournament? He looked cooked all year. I get the potential thing but it's really weird some people have him rising
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Apr 13, 2017 17:42
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oh no what will they do without giles
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Apr 19, 2017 02:21
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The math there is dumb but Ford has been saying for awhile that not everyone has Fultz one, and a few teams/scouts like Ball and Jackson better. I know locally there's a lot of talk the Lakers would take Ball first but I have been kinda assuming that was wishful thinking from crazy homers
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Apr 30, 2017 06:03
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Depending what happens down the road they may decide there is a ceiling that comes with IT due to his defensive issues and that they don't want to shell out a ton of money to keep him anyway. Fultz would at least keep that option open in addition to giving them the best prospect in the draft
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May 3, 2017 23:36
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Paul played a huge role in renegotiating the CBA in a way that allows teams to re-sign star veterans to massive contracts I don't think he's actually gonna leave
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Kibner posted:I think he was talking about Paul George? Not sure how he'd be an alternative to Thomas and the post he quoted was talking about Thomas' limits defensively. But, maybe, i guess? MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:40 on May 4, 2017 |
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May 4, 2017 17:20
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Slowpoke! posted:He is going to be the most athletic dude on the court most games. If he gets his shot to even average, he would be like a smaller Dwayne Wade. And of all things, a 19 year old's jumper is something that can be fixed. Guys aren't going to get taller or more athletic, but fixing jumpers happens. It happens but it is way less often than people want to believe it does. Especially if it's someone who has the ball in his hands a lot and can't just work on getting really good a hitting open corner 3s.
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May 13, 2017 17:53
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Dejan Bimble posted:Fultz is a fantastic shooter off the dribble The DX mock doesn't take team into account yet.
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May 14, 2017 15:48
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Lots of threes off the dribble as the pnr ball handler
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morestuff posted:All I'm going off is highlight YouTubes and DX stuff but he seems way more like a modern PF to me Yeah I don't think he can defend NBA 3s, and almost everyone anymore is shifting tweener guys like that to the 4.
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May 15, 2017 18:20
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I disagree . I forget who I was listening to (Bodner?) that mentioned he had Ball higher for the Sixers than other teams because Ball's weaknesses could be glazed over by Simmons I'm interested in that argument because they have a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses assuming you think Ball's shot won't work in the NBA. Agree on ball over fox though
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Khagan posted:Why does Fultz get a pass for having bad teammates but not Dennis Smith? Because fultz was way better?
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May 18, 2017 17:29
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Also I'm not sure Fultz is even totally getting a pass. Playing for a bad team is probably the biggest reason that there is a minority of people arguing he's not a no brainer top prospect, because otherwise it's pretty hard to see any argument against him (on a BPA level, if you want to try to argue someone else fits Boston better I guess you could but I'd still disagree). Whereas with Smith there are lots of other reasons to find fault with him beyond his team being crappy.
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May 18, 2017 19:42
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Fox's jumper never actually goes in but hey at least it doesn't look silly
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May 18, 2017 20:12
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It goes in a lot
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May 19, 2017 02:47
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The players should be paid anyway so cheating is actually extremely dope. Calipari is the most morally righteous person in college sports
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May 20, 2017 01:59
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EvanTH posted:Who's the best drafters last 5-10 years? Thunders? Spurs? Bucks? They're probably not the best but Utah has been really really good at mid to late first rounders and terrible at lottery picks outside of Hayward. Every single part of their core except Favors was a draft pick (and they traded for Favors really early in his career). For the Thunder don't know how much credit you can really give a team for picking Durant, that was like the biggest no brainer draft pick of all time. Westbrook where they got him was genuinely inspired though, and Ibaka was a great find late in the first. I'd still probably lean Warriors because of where they picked their stars though.
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May 26, 2017 19:45
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Redgrendel2001 posted:They both progressed into being decent shooters as the season went on, but sample size, etc... Fox couldn't even crack 25% from a short line
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Redgrendel2001 posted:He shot 38% over his last 15 games, 48% over his last 10, and 70%+ from the line for the season. Why are those games more predictive than all the ones where he shot horribly?
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May 30, 2017 00:15
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This thread has taught me that Ben Simmons apparently improved dramatically as a ball handler while spending the better part of a year not playing any basketball
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May 30, 2017 00:23
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Redgrendel2001 posted:They're not necessarily; it's going to be a small sample size for whatever portion of the college season is being analyzed unless the guy is chucking 10 threes a game and I like improvement over the course of time as an indicator of his not being a terrible!!! shooter in the pros. It seems like the best way to deal with the sample size issue would be to, ya know, use a larger sample. Like maybe the whole season!
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May 30, 2017 00:28
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Well they've said he's going to be their primary ballhandler so I guess we'll see. I think it prevented him from doing it in game situations. Like there's a difference between dribbling by yourself in an empty gym and against people trying to play defense. I know that they want him to be a point guard, I'm just really skeptical. He's an incredible passer but he was not very effective as the primary ball handler in the half court in college, especially late in the year when everyone figured out he couldn't and wouldn't shoot so they just backed way off and he had no idea what to do.
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May 30, 2017 00:30
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The Simmons as full time point guard seemed at least partially a matter of circumstance too. They had an absurd logjam in the front court and no point guards so it was easy to argue that was the best option. If they could draft a really good point guard prospect they could always reverse course there and play him at the 4. It's slightly less crowded now with Noel gone.
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tanglewood1420 posted:All the analysis of Simmons prior to the draft was that he has the athleticism, agility and instinct to potentially be a very good defender of 3s and 4s. It was his lack of effort that was concerning, not his lack of ability or game intelligence. Obviously some players never improve in that regard and are lazy defenders throughout their career, but he would hardly be the first player in the world who didn't give a crap defensively in college (on a lovely team no less) that ends up being a solid NBA defender. Yeah agree on the last part. The passing was the flashiest thing about his game but I think his rebounding is his most NBA ready skill
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xbilkis posted:What's the deal with Caleb Swanigan? I feel like he was decently regarded earlier in the draft process, and seemed like a classic mid-to-late first big man who produced in college but has questionable measurables. Now it looks like his stock is solidly in the second. He's too short to be an NBA big, has had serious conditioning issues in the recent past, isn't a good athlete, and won't be able to guard anyone. 2nd round seems about right
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EvanTH posted:Doesn't Swanigan have like a 7'3" wingspan to compensate for being 6'10"? Heavy dude with long arms is occasionally the best kinda rebounder. He's not 6'10", he's like 6'7". He'll be able to rebound but I don't think his offense holds up and he's going to be an absolute disaster on defense MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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IcePhoenix posted:Because that's how high he was ranked before the season and the hype train stayed on the rails, basically. He was always above Fox but he wasn't Top 2 at the start of the season. He rose quite a bit by playing really really well during the regular season. Here's a BR article about Ford's first mock draft and he had him going 7th behind guys like Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith Jr., Issac, and the French dude https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2659396.amp.html
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Jun 4, 2017 16:45
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If you could get that much in return for Boogie he would have been traded for a lot more than he actually was
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EvanTH posted:All the stories corroborated that Vivek literally thinks Buddy Hield is some kind of Steph-Curry-but-better in the making, I do not believe at all that they got the most they could have got for him. They definitely overvalue Hield but while I'm sure they got better offers I don't think they were getting offers that blow what they actually got away. The market for Cousins was a lot cooler than I think most people expected it to be.
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WhyteRyce posted:When was it declared that DeAngelo is not a PG? Magic said they were still looking for a point guard or something to that effect, I think, and they played him off ball a lot at the end of the year (though they were also tanking at the end of the year so). But really I think it'll just depend on who they think the BPA is. If it's a PG they'll move Russell off ball. If they decide they'd rather have Jackson he'll probably stay at PG
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Jun 12, 2017 18:08
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Paul Zuvella posted:Also its not like Josh Jackson can't shoot at all. He shot pretty fine from the College 3. Only in the second half of the year, which, along with the awful FT%, is a big red flag
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morestuff posted:I wish I knew whether he was mocking Kennard to Charlotte because of intel or just because he's rising/he's the "Hornets" pick in the draft. To be fair he is extremely Hornetsy.
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Mason wasn't anything special at all before his senior year
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xbilkis posted:Can someone explain the appeal of Harry Giles to me? I get that he was highly regarded coming out of high school, but you think his college production combined with his knee history would be a major red flag. He didn't exactly have a sterling combine, either. If he'd been able to come out of high school he'd have been a contender for the top pick in the draft. There's not much more to it than that. It's a swing for the fences and hope that he can get healthy and give you a star talent at a spot in the draft where you don't typically get those
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If the loving Lakers have loving Fultz fall into their loving laps I am going to be so loving mad
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