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MrLogan posted:I can see him taking a RB in the first if Murray is allowed to walk and the talent is there. This isn't me guessing or wishful thinking, this is RM's philosophy as reported over the last couple years by local media. He's drafted two RBs in his four years here, both were late(5+) round picks. Add in Richard, an UDFA and you have the Raiders have the #5 rushing offense in the league for minimal investment in the RB position. He also follows Ted Thompson's philosophy of not using a high pick on a MLB. That so many "experts" picked the Raiders to draft Reggie Ragland last year was pretty comical. Perry Riley has been a revelation is further vindication of this way thinking. Paperback Writer posted:Christian McCaffrey gonna be a Raider He'd make a great slot receiver/return man. I'd put his value around the fourth round.
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Alaois posted:yes please, someone draft Brady Gustafson in the first round, surely this time drafting a super tall white QB will work out The jury's still out on mike glennon
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warcrimes posted:He'd make a great slot receiver/return man. I'd put his value around the fourth round. I think McCaffrey is rightfully a top 75 pick at this moment and big enough to play RB in the NFL. I'm just worried Stanford already ran him into the ground like Schiano did with Ray Rice. He could stand to put on a bit more weight though, but that's true of pretty much every rookie RB.
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Which teams are taking on purpose next year for Lamar loving Jackson
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TheGreyGhost posted:As a sad, degenerate Browns fan, here's a slightly more thorough breakdown of this (somewhat butt) QB class. Here's my current top 5 Just read through all of this. Really solid analysis imo
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Yes, thank you GreyGhost it is appreciated.
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Mitch Leidner is the funniest QB prospect this year because Mel Kiper had him rated in the first round at the start of the season, while anybody who has watched him play football for 5 minutes knows he's complete irredeemable trash
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warcrimes posted:This isn't me guessing or wishful thinking, this is RM's philosophy as reported over the last couple years by local media. He's drafted two RBs in his four years here, both were late(5+) round picks. Add in Richard, an UDFA and you have the Raiders have the #5 rushing offense in the league for minimal investment in the RB position. He also follows Ted Thompson's philosophy of not using a high pick on a MLB. That so many "experts" picked the Raiders to draft Reggie Ragland last year was pretty comical. Perry Riley has been a revelation is further vindication of this way thinking. He did draft Clay Matthews
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Is Jake Browning not expected to enter the draft this year, or is he actually a bad quarterback?
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Pungry posted:Is Jake Browning not expected to enter the draft this year, or is he actually a bad quarterback? He's a true sophomore isn't he? He has to wait a year if so.
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Blitz7x posted:He did draft Clay Matthews Matthews is an OLB
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Pungry posted:Is Jake Browning not expected to enter the draft this year, or is he actually a bad quarterback? He's not eligible until next year
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Eagles needs are WR, OL, and DB Corey Davis seems like the best WR this draft. Is he actually any good? Is Lamar Jackson  2.0?
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Is Lamar Jackson Vick's on the record saying Jackson is better than he was in college and there's some reason to believe it (although he did look pretty human today for the first time in a while). But he's another guy that doesn't matter for the NFL draft this year, he's not eligible.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Eagles needs are WR, OL, and DB I like Davis but this is a weak WR class and I think he's going to get overdrafted with too much expectations. He's got a lot of work to do with his jump ball skills and his first steps off the line. Also there's obvious competition issues. Lamar Jackson is some weird love-baby of Vick and a woman who has remarkable intermediate game accuracy. Totally unique player and I really hope Louisville makes the playoffs now that there's a massive shakeup because I want to watch more of him.
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Wondering about opinions on Luke Falk since he is technically draft-eligible after this season (although I think he's likely staying for his senior year). I know "Air Raid QB" inflates the impressiveness of his numbers a ton but compared to all the Texas Tech/Wazzu guys who came out of that system before him he seems...different. It looks like he's capable of a much greater variety of throws than any other previous guy in the system could do, and he's got pretty impeccable accuracy. I don't know a lot about throwing mechanics or the intricacies of the position but based on cursory looks it doesn't seem like he has anything fundamentally broken about how he passes. I dunno, am I off base in thinking he's an exception to the rule?
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Doltos posted:I like Davis but this is a weak WR class and I think he's going to get overdrafted with too much expectations. He's got a lot of work to do with his jump ball skills and his first steps off the line. Also there's obvious competition issues. But can he actually catch a football?
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Best: Keenan Allen Worst: Arthur Brown I may have thought JJ Watt went high too but's it's been too long.
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Alaois posted:Mitch Leidner is the funniest QB prospect this year because Mel Kiper had him rated in the first round at the start of the season, while anybody who has watched him play football for 5 minutes knows he's complete irredeemable trash It's 2016 how are there kids named Mitch? It's a name like Bud or Otto.
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Prozach posted:Wondering about opinions on Luke Falk since he is technically draft-eligible after this season (although I think he's likely staying for his senior year). I know "Air Raid QB" inflates the impressiveness of his numbers a ton but compared to all the Texas Tech/Wazzu guys who came out of that system before him he seems...different. It looks like he's capable of a much greater variety of throws than any other previous guy in the system could do, and he's got pretty impeccable accuracy. I don't know a lot about throwing mechanics or the intricacies of the position but based on cursory looks it doesn't seem like he has anything fundamentally broken about how he passes. I dunno, am I off base in thinking he's an exception to the rule? Falk keeps saying he's coming back, so I didn't include him in the list. Here's a breakdown I don't imagine will change much whether it's for this year or next. Luke Falk is the latest quarterback blessed and cursed by the insanity that is the original Leach Air Raid. If you look at the history of QBs who play in the Air Raid, the ones who typically show up and stick around to get some snaps in the league come from Leach, and Falk is the perfect example why. On tape, he's shown a really impressive and accurate intermediate game where he can hit a 15 yard flag or deep dig with no real trouble and gets to show it often thanks to the playcaller. He zips the ball where it needs to be and is one of a handful of QBs at the college level who consistently throws his own receivers open. I don't think his arm is ever going to be a question with the velocity he throws at, so long as his mechanics are steady, which they usually are on short routes and the majority of intermediate ones showing high delivery and square feet. You'll probably see some pieces calling him a Round 1-3 pick for the fact that he can make the highest prerequisite throws NFL scouts covet so much on a consistent basis. However, he absolutely has some flaws that need fixed. For one, his deep ball floats like a nerf ball and will probably get him eaten alive by a good man corner if he doesn't learn to spin the ball the way he does on shorter passes. It looks a lot like he's using all arm on his deep mechanics just because he isn't comfortable steeping into them in games with how he's gotten killed by his O-line in college and doesn't want to risk the extra time setting up. Two, his footwork is generally pretty good and square while throwing but has a nasty tendency to get choppy or clumsy when he's moving while facing a collapsing pocket and doesn't really let him evade or defuse pressure. That's normally not biting him in the rear end, but the NFL system he goes to will have 1 checkdown, not 2 like Leach designs if he's expecting an aggressive DC, meaning he won't be able to just pick the safer side and sling it there where the defenders aren't but will have to adjust his movement to wherever his one checkdown is and throw the ball more precisely thank he is now. Three, he's taken an asskicking this year in terms of hits and will come in with crazy wear on both his arm and body as a whole at best and a case of the "David Carr Pocket Presence" syndrome at worst. Four, no clue how how his footwork and pocket presence adapts to an under-center game because even in the shotgun he's running for his life right now where he doesn't truly get to step up on anything more than like a deep curl/back shoulder comeback. Those concerns may seem like a lot, but they really all could be fixed just by him landing on a team that doesn't have a poo poo line and can get him up to speed on his comfort in the pocket. I'm willing to bet he could be at least an NFL backup in a Bill Walsh-style 3/5 step drop passing game right now with his accuracy, but it gets cloudy past that. If he has receivers that consistently get open or close enough to be thrown open on those 3/5 step plays, he's probably winning you a lot of games, but he's not staying alive in the pocket long enough to improvise if those guys need extra time to get away. I think a good reference point for him is Sam Bradford honestly. They were both hyper efficient Air Raid guys who fit tight windows, had good throwing mechanics that could use a tiny bit of polish (pushing the ball especially on deep balls), and made good decisions on the field. Bradford had a good O-line in college though so we didn't see how bad his pocket and blitz footwork was until he was getting shelled on the Rams, which he seems to have fixed a lot of over the years. His best case scenario is basically being Andy Dalton/Teddy Bridgewater. Worst case, he turns into Matt Leinart/Colt McCoy with slightly better velocity (really worried about the miles on that arm/body). I won't be shocked at all if he ends up a journeyman, where it'll be in the Jeff Garcia mold where he could randomly have some magical years with the right team but always has a lot of questions. Though that's largely my own huge bias against air raid guys talking. He goes somewhere early after a scout falls in love.
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Parmesan Basil posted:It's 2016 how are there kids named Mitch? It's a name like Bud or Otto. They still had an Otto on Rocket Power. 
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Best: Keenan Allen I was angry enough about taking Watt over Robert Quinn that I left the bar I was watching the draft at Whoops
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Currently sitting through a terrible compliance lecture for work with a few hours to kill. Here are some thoughts on the WRs in this class based on the games I've seen and available tape. Mike Williams Clemson - Stop me if you've heard this one, big Clemson receiver with a massive strike zone who isn't an absolute burner but seems to separate at will from DBs and has enough athleticism to not question it too hard. He'll get compared a lot to Martavis Bryant and Deandre Hopkins, and I think he reminds me slightly more of the latter than the former based on his production, but he's also got a bit of a Michael Thomas flavor to him with his work on very short passes that Hopkins didn't always show. Williams has solid hands and goes after balls in air like a dog after a frisbee, which is crazy important if you're a team without a laser accurate QB. He's very good on lower passes or passes behind him as well, which can be an issue for tall receivers used to people throwing them jump balls ordinarily.He's tall enough for the 50/50 and sudden enough to get some quick yardage on a flare screen. He blocks really well on crack blocks when he can set an arc with a quick shove but doesn't hold blocks super well which is disappointing for his size and length. Physically, he's going to have some mild concerns about the freaky neck injury he suffered last year, but he's come back stronger and slightly bigger than that year which will soothe those concerns. That said, he absolutely unquestionably has some issues. Clemson's offense doesn't exactly scream diversity in its route tree, so there's more tape of Williams catching back shoulder fades, go routes, slants, and flares than of my entire childhood. He doesn't have quite the level of burn you want on routes like deep digs or crosses, though he's run more post routes than in prior years. Also, he tips his routes at points. I've seen him run multiple slants this year where he plants his inside foot first which closes his hips before he's actually in the route, meaning a defender can jump his route easily. He occasionally will have similar missteps or turn his shoulders early on back shoulders which someone like Richard Sherman will look at and smile as he runs that ball to the endzone. In the scheme of receiver complaints, this seems minor but needs to be corrected quickly or your QB is going to get annoyed that his new receiver is never where any of the other ones are. He could easily turn out to be Hopkins or Mike Evans at the next level, but he could also easily be a Crabtree type player who takes some time to come along if he isn't coached up properly. Very safe bet, though he's never going to be Megatron. John Ross Washington - Probably the fastest pure receiver in the draft. His game film against Cal was one of the best games I've seen in a long time, and he murdered freak of nature Adoree Jackson in the USC game despite the loss. A lot of scouting reports will point to his straight-line speed and compare him to the Phillip Dorsett/Will Fuller/Devin Smith types of receiver. Bull. He juked 3/4 of the Cal defense out of their shoes on a single play and regularly broke routes on a guy who is a world-class athlete against USC who could probably show up on a USA track team tomorrow. He moves way better in space than just those one-dimensional deep guys in space. He runs really effective routes, though I've seen him plant too early on intermediate breaks and have to turn on the jets laterally to make up for it, but he's agile and accelerates fast enough that you don't get scared of it like you do with a Mike WIlliams/Crabtree type. Short routes like slants typically are more consistent but can still be affected. His hands are good, though he has some moments where he lets the ball come to him for a body catch or catches with his palms straight up. I'm concerned about his size. He's only 5'11" and will face a lot of press to try to stop his routes early and defuse him. He's gotten very good at both releases this year, but the Pac-12 corner play outside of USC is trash this year, and most corners in the NFL will be stronger than him until he's fully physically adapted. In a similar vein, he doesn't block super well. The effort is there, but he just doesn't have the full-body strength to drive defenders back or do much more than gum them up. He's had multiple knee injuries and could have some durability concerns as well, so a lot rides on his weight room habits and the team's S&C coach. He looks a lot like Jeremy Maclin to me in terms of his versatility and ability to separate. He'll draw Corey Coleman comparisons too, but Coleman ran a couple fewer routes than Ross, wash a trash blocker, and was way more reliant on screen games and other non-pro concepts for his production than Ross, so I think that sells him short. If his body holds up, I like him more than Williams just because of how much more threatening he is in the very short and very long game. JuJu Smith-Schuester USC - Man, USC just keeps producing the same receiver over and over don't they. Marquise Lee and Agholor were very similar players to him coming out is what you'll hear a lot, and it's frankly really lazy. He was an absolute nightmare last year and could get open all over the field and make plays for Cody Kessler who was practically psychically linked to him. This year, he simply hasn't been quite as impressive, but let's look at what he does well first. His hands are great when he doesn't hear footsteps. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't really have the dropsies, but it's similar to Dez Bryant in that he just gets too excited trying to make a play or make the first defender miss. I think a lot of that is due to his build and play style. He isn't a burner, though he does have long speed once he gets to his middle gears and gets moving. Last year, that was fine because corners played him at the line and tried to press him without realizing that his single best attribute is his ability to physically release. Because of that, he was getting a running start that he doesn't seem to get as often this year because any press he's facing is soft or nonexistent in favor of just matching his patterns or blanketing him. His route-running is just not precise right now. I think part of that is the difference in QB from last year to this year. Kessler threw him open which gave him a spot that he absolutely knew he needed to get to as a cheat sheet whereas Darnold is far more conservative and not forcing the ball to him the same way and Browne just could hit those windows at all. He really needs to work on his outside plant and hip drive through slants, ins, and comebacks because he's just rounding any sharpness out of them. I think part of that is because he's still worried about spotting the ball due to the lack of reps he's likely had with Darnold, because his routes did look slightly better last year. Physically, he almost looks like a Safety with real strength especially in his lower body. He has the physical tools to be a good NFL receiver but probably not a #1. Just like he releases well, he generally blocks effectively, though I don't think he seeks out second-level opportunities with it like an NFL OC will ask. No real durability concerns. With some polish, he could be an Allen Robinson-type player, but I also could see him as Jermaine Kearse or even Marquise Lee with a streaky career that relies a lot on how DCs decide to play him. Worst case, he turns out to be Dwayne Jarrett and just never learns to separte worth a drat. Corey Davis Western Michigan - Quick, make a reference to Antonio Brown and small school receivers that overly simplifies success in the NFL. Good, thanks. Corey Davis pretty much destroys the MAC with such regularity that Trump rallies probably mentioned him as an enemy combatant in the Toledo and Akron regions. He's the best mental receiver in this draft and lines up everywhere for their offense, which is impressive since Fleck is one of the few coaches whose boundary positions aren't fully redundant. He doesn't have a Mike Williams set of hands/catch radius but is better at it than Ross or JuJu and will rarely ever drop something that hits him in the hands without a defender being right there. His routes are advanced and already NFL caliber in their quality, which is a serious credit to how advanced Fleck's offense is relative to the talent he has on hand. Davis goes over the middle, deep, short, to the corners, and everywhere in between and is a constant threat to stutter or his a double move that blows his defender 4 yards away. For being 6'3", that's impressive especially when he breaks a hitch 'n go for a deep ball only to come in and his a deep dig over the middle with the same level of separation. He also is better with his eyes than anyone in terms of waiting to turn until it's on his terms for either faking a back out or truly going for the ball. Now for the problems. He's played against the MAC, which is a great conference that we all should support while agreeing the defensive play in it is...suspect. He's also pretty bad in the air for being a tall receiver and doesn't always high-point the ball the way I would expect a guy who dwarfs the DBs in his conference. I mentioned his hands, and I was serious about DBs who can stick with him being a problem--he doesn't drop balls but he will let them get knocked out of his hands. That's something that may be strength related since he's still fairly svelte in the "young AJ Green" sense, but it's a problem. He also cheats his releases a lot. Stutter steps work out there and will get you out of a jam, but they don't move fast enough for an NFL offense where JJ Watt is coming for your QB every down. He needs to get stronger and add some diversity so that his initial move isn't so predictable for DCs. In that same vein, he blocks a lot like JuJu where he'll get a guy contained but doesn't drive them down field the way you'd like to see a 6'3" receiver in the MAC do. All of those issues are strength related, save the timing on the vertical balls, which may be a matter of his own early-play stuttering and dancing throwing off his QB a touch. Get him 10 pounds stronger, and he could be a Brandon Marshall assuming that fixes his issues, but he easily could be a Jordan Matthews type who is a technician rather than a game-breaker and serves as a faux-#1 who needs deep receiving around him to accommodate. His worst case is probably being someone like Cole Beasley who lives forever on being matched against 3rd/4th corners and can beat them on technique alone. Curtis Samuel Ohio State - God-Emperor of the Ohio State offense and freak of nature. Let's get this out of the way right now, he's really eerily similar to Percy Harvin, and it's far from an unfair comparison. His catching ability is incredible for a 5'11" guy with more range than people expect, though he sometimes lets balls come to him if there are defenders nearby which isn't a great habit. His route running is pretty good, though it's a bit limited in the Ohio State offense. He doesn't really do many double moves or head fakes out there, but he hasn't needed to with how well he's separated on his normal routes. He's very good about disguising his routes and doesn't have the same wrong foot or early hip tells that guys like JuJu, Ross, and WIlliams have had. He's also surprisingly good as a blocker and seals really well as a slot receiver. Physically, he looks like a running back at 5'11" 205 and has top-end speed to go with impressive lateral agility and acceleration. He doesn't really juke guys out of their shoes so much as just beat them to a spot in space regardless of where that spot is. He's a threat out of the backfield as well. Now for the issues. First, he's not tall enough to be a #1 in a lot of offenses. His ability as a vertical threat hinges on him getting up to speed and going, so certain matchups will mitigate him as a threat there. His lack of a full route tree will give some coaches pause, but he's lined up outside a decent amount this year and has shown some reps on posts, crosses, outs, and ins that will look good although they're few at the moment. He's been inconsistent against press but has shown far better strength and technique in recent weeks and likely needs reps more than anything since he's never been a pure receiver. I also worry about his ability to adjust routes on the fly. He's certainly agile enough to do it, but there have been a lot of passes in the OSU offense that look like he doesn't spot the ball in time and doesn't adjust soon enough as a result, which is something a good WR coach can teach. Harvin had more wiggle than him, but Samuel blocks better than he ever did and has no health concerns. You could easily compare him to Jeremy Maclin and hope for that as a best case for him. Worst case, he ends up as an underneath and intermediate specialist who works exclusively out of the slot because of his size. Quick Hits: Amara Darboh Michigan - Physically looks the part with decent top-end speed but lacks crazy acceleration/lateral threat to be Round 1. Runs good, if unimpressive, routes and shows decent hands. Looks like an adequate WR2/3 but no real "wow" moments. Blocks very well and will end up making a coach happy with that. Could be Eric Decker. Could suck and turn out to be Mohammed Massaqoi Isaiah Ford Va Tech - Good set of moves in the field and separates very well on his initial breaks. Dangerously twitchy in space and seeks out blocks/open field like a RB. Tracks the ball better than most 6'1" guys when deep though he's not outjumping anyone. lovely blocker who isn't getting much stronger and will probably get concussed out of the league with as slight as he looks. Robert Woods seems like a fair comparison. Dede Westbrook Oklahoma - Benefits from playing against the worst defenses in the power 5 every week. Looked super mortal against OSU who just pressed him all game in man and held him to 5 catches for 51. Is really explosive and looks similar to John Ross in his effect on games in terms of speed and agility that lets him separate deep or short. Route running is mediocre and often imprecise since he gets left on an island and doesn't have to do much to separate with his play speed. Hands are decent but weak with defenders close by. Awful blocker because of his size but you live with that if you're taking him. The difficulty against the press is scary though because he doesn't have a lot of room to pack on size. Could probably work into the top 5 WRs if he fixes his releases and works on sharper routes. Stefon Diggs Cooper Kupp EWU - White possession receiver who is freakishly technical and deceptively good in the vertical/boundary game. Doesn't twitch well enough to consistently separate across the middle even with his current technique, meaning he's going to need to work more on his head fakes, stutters, and doubles to be a complete receiver at the next level. Runs like a back once he catches the ball. Body catches like I would expect out of a flex TE, not a WR. Joe Jurevicious at present. Anquan Boldin if he achieves a level of technique that he won't. James Washington OK State - Justin Blackmon without the hype right down to the school and offense. Separates well but plays in a wide open offense against bad defenses. Bad blocker. Decent off of press. Catches fluidly in space and moves well. Not sure how he'll do in traffic. Travis Rudolph FSU - Physically talented with meh hands and decent ability to separate but nothing mind blowing. Really lazy on routes for an FSU receiver but makes up for it with deceptively long strides and fluid hips. Blocking is good and might get him a job. Doesn't show consistency against the press which is a technical issue. Kenny Britt Artavis Scott Clemson- Read my Mike Williams analysis and just paste it here. He's slightly better in the air and deep than Williams but far worse on shorter routes because of rounded routes. Worse hands too with concentration issues when he's being pushed by a corner. Malachi Dupre LSU - Physically gifted receiver who has never been properly taught his route tree while also suffering from abysmal quarterback play. Decent hands but doesn't always catch with a consistent motion and will let the ball come to him too much. Good blocker but doesn't always power through to finish. Doesn't always separate against the press which is a technical issue. People will want to make him OBJ or Jarvis Landry, but he's Reuben Randle or Stephen White. Stacy Coley Miami - Future WR3/Slot superstar who runs awesome routes but lacks the physical tools to be super threatening deep. Runs awesome digs/slants/back shoulders and has the best plant on an out of anyone in this class Solid hand catching and blocking from a technical standpoint that isn't going to get much better. Will stick on a roster for a long time. Doug Baldwin. Ryan Switzer UNC - Small slot/return guy who separates surprising well deep and is surprisingly sudden and effective with his cuts. Small catch radius, weak against press, weak blocking, James Quick Louisville - Similar to Stacy Coley, I think he's underrated. He has better top-end speed and separates incredible well off routes with consistency. His blocking is average but doesn't really push forward. Solid hands but desperately needs to concentrate better. Bet he's the steal of the draft. Marvin Jones Jehu Chesson Michigan - Lean, body catcher with average route running. Fairly fast and tracks the ball well, but has no technique to speak of in the short/intermediate game despite having 2 years under Harbaugh. Releases and blocks weaker than he should because of his frame Travin Dural LSU - Also Reuben Randle like Dupre. Slightly better in the air, slightly worse at separating. Austin Carr Northwestern - My favorite late sleeper. Could be Julian Edelman. He's really impressive in across the middle and makes very good contested catches while separating because he's technically so good. Blocks like a deer. Doesn't always beat press right away and ends up having to break away later. No top-end speed so he's a pure possession guy. Brandon Stokley. Others that may become prominent: Demorea Stringfellow, Chris Godwin, Darreus Rogers, Gabe Marks, Bug Howard, Jesus Wilson TheGreyGhost fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Thank you for reminding me about Martavis Bryant.He is so wicked fast that he outran Patrick Peterson wtice on the same play.
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Isn't Cooper Kupp from Eastern Washington? But speaking of WSU guys, any thoughts on Gabe Marks or River Cracraft (RIP)?
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Dear America: please stop making receivers named Mike Williams
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ZenVulgarity posted:Which teams are taking on purpose next year for Lamar loving Jackson Probably the Colts.
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Inspector 34 posted:Isn't Cooper Kupp from Eastern Washington? But speaking of WSU guys, any thoughts on Gabe Marks or River Cracraft (RIP)? Marks looks like a stereotypical Leach receiver at the next level. He runs a slightly limited route tree, though he's shown enough on boundary curls/comebacks and mid-field ins and outs that I'm not concerned about him in a pro system. He also has pretty solid hands but doesn't always work well in a vertical space catching above or below his center of gravity. He runs routes decently but seems to round them when he's going over the middle which tends to happen when guys get anxious about wanting to be in space to where they think beyond the needed plant and pivot to run it sharply. It's a silly trait theoretically, but I think it's related to his problems at the next level. Simply put, he's small, even for his frame, and needs a good 15-20 pounds before you can use him effectively. It shows when you watch him try to release against a boundary/CB1 and can get stoned even by guys his own size. He's not big enough to consistently play the boundary, but he's slight enough that you don't want to see him get killed by trying to go over the middle too much like a Welker/Amendola/Collie type where he'd be vulnerable. Much less, he's only got average speed for the position, so you risk him losing athleticism if you try to bulk him up and make him safer to have on the field. If he's constantly worried about getting blown up, that route running quirk and the fact that he's not big or fast enough to always be a vertical threat (will be dependent on his release/outrunning a corner) all adds up to a guy who could be effective for a bit but just doesn't have much of a ceiling. Factor in that he's got a bit of injury history and a tendency to pick up nagging injuries, and I think he's a late-round guy at the absolute best. Cracraft is basically the same build as Marks and a similar route runner but just way too slow to be effective at the next level short of running Jerry Rice-caliber routes. You can't be 6' 190 without speed or world-class routes in the NFL because you're just not worth the risk of developing. Mediocre release. Good hands. Throw in the ACL injury, and he's not getting drafted. TheGreyGhost fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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TheGreyGhost posted:Kupp was a grad transfer for this year to Wazzu from EWU. Uh, what? Kupp has played at EWU his whole college career and styled all over WSU in week 1. He owns.
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Nov 16, 2016 15:34
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dphi posted:Uh, what? Kupp has played at EWU his whole college career and styled all over WSU in week 1. He owns. Good god you're right. I pulled the rookie move and confused the unis from the Wazzu tape
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ZenVulgarity posted:Which teams are taking on purpose next year for Lamar loving Jackson Hopefully the Texans but realistically the Browns Also not on purpose
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Are we ready to crown Lamar Jackson the best prospect since Andrew Luck?
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Nov 16, 2016 19:37
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Kirios posted:Are we ready to crown Lamar Jackson the best prospect since Andrew Luck? if you mean Michael Vick, sure, and it literally does not matter because he's got a full year before being draft eligible so shut the gently caress up Kirios! Alaois fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 19:38
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I really wanted Nelson Agholor to be a Chief, also thought Jon Baldwin was a great draft pick, thought Dontari Poe was going to suck
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Gynecolojustice posted:I really wanted Nelson Agholor to be a Chief, also thought Jon Baldwin was a great draft pick, thought Dontari Poe was going to suck Are we telling stories of failed fandom? I really wanted Atlanta to draft Glenn Dorsey in the 1st and Brian Brohm in the 2nd instead of Matt Ryan 
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Kirios posted:Are we ready to crown Lamar Jackson the best prospect since Andrew Luck? How many cheeseburgers is he eating before then? Because I'm really really nervous he's going to die on a team with a bad line. Early look at Lamar Jackson: We've been saying for a few years now that eventually we're going to somehow get the QB with the Lebron-level skillset of not only being a freak athlete but also being fully skilled in the position. If you look at some of the generational QB prospects of the last decade+, that still hasn't totally happened yet. Vick was small and fairly inaccurate at the NFL level. Luck had all the passing genes but doesn't have the WR-caliber speed and gets hurt. Newton had serious questions about his passing. Now the thought is that maybe Lamar Jackson lives up to that dream. quote:Throwing accurately on the run is a skill few quarterbacks have. Jackson has it. Few quarterbacks have the balance, flexibility or strength to make this throw the way Jackson does. Watch the ball to see how he keeps it at throwing-level while running. When Jackson throws, the ball doesn't arc, but travels on a line to the target, who is able to catch the ball without extending. This is perfection.You will see Jackson slightly overthrow players if you spend time watching his film, something that can be helped in the NFL by faster receivers, but more patience in his throwing motion and more consistency in his drop steps and follow-through will help Jackson become more accurate. Among Jackson's best traits is his ability to throw the football to all levels of the field with velocity. Jackson has a live arm and can attack deep coverage. He has an easy, smooth throwing motion that shows little effort, but the ball jumps out of his hands with surprising speed and tight spirals. Jackson could be an immediate impact if asked to stretch the field and exploit deep coverage. A former track star, Jackson is an electric and dangerous runner. He has the speed and agility to jump out of the pocket and pick up yards, which can also be used on designed runs.He throws well on the move and has the strength to throw across his body. He's able to start-and-stop on the move to set up for deep throws, but also has the arm strength to throw deep routes on the move without setting up. He does a fair amount of pre-snap recognition based on game film study. Jackson, unlike many college quarterbacks, does not take direction from the sideline and is tasked with reading the defense. Most mobile quarterbacks struggle to maintain field vision as they lock in on defenders coming at them instead of keeping their eyes upfield and toward the coverage. Jackson does a great job keeping his eyes up, continuing to read the defense even as he moves around and out of the pocket. Jackson doesn't have the experience of an Andrew Luck at reading a defense and making checks at the line, but he does have a very high IQ and a high football IQ, two things that will quickly enable him to learn and adapt at the NFL level. Jackson has a quick delivery and does not waste time or motion in delivering the ball. While his motion can change—generally seen as a negative—there is no change in accuracy or velocity from various release points. He does not have classic over-the-top motion, but the result is the same. He has played both under center and in shotgun sets and has the feet to quickly transition if asked to move to a system that requires him to come under center. He will need to be coached up to time his drop steps. Jackson stands tall in the pocket and delivers the football without backing down and without making the mistake of backing into his end zone to evade the pass-rush coming off both edges and up the middle of the field. Seems like a great scouting report right? Except, that's not his scouting report. That's what Matt Miller said about RG3 coming out where I ran a find and replace of Griffin and replaced it with Jackson. You probably didn't even notice and thought it was some type of deep insight, when it really is just the uneasy truth I see right now. I really don't know how else to say it: Jackson is Griffin almost to the letter. You can probably make an argument that a Petrino offense is better NFL prep than a Briles offense, but the early Baylor offenses under Briles weren't actually too far off of what Petrino is doing this season and were more complex than the scheme as Baylor currently plays. I love Jackson's game like I loved Griffin's, but Jackson is a good 15-20 pounds lighter than Griffin was and looks even more svelte to boot. He could easily turn out to be what we all wanted Griffin to be and believed him to be after his rookie year, but I'm still just not sold on excessively mobile QBs that aren't built like tanks given that even Cam is getting demolished this year.
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TheGreyGhost posted:Jackson is Griffin almost to the letter. I'd say there's a lot more Vick than Griffin to Jackson's game on the ground. Which obviously isn't really the most important thing to consider as an NFL prospect because you're going to want him to run a lot less than he does in college no matter what. Also agreed that Petrino's offense might be very slightly better prep than Briles for the NFL, but there's been a bunch of buzz about Petrino QBs before and the most successful in the NFL is...Ryan Mallett? Part of that might be because he's a headcase, so then we go on to Brian Brohm I guess? Jackson's easily more talented than either of those guys (outside of Mallet's arm strength), but Bobby doesn't have the best track record there.
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Cam won MVP last year and basically destroyed the NFL. He's struggling this year because referees are letting defenses tee off on his head because they don't treat him like other quarterbacks, and half his offense has gotten injured/fallen off a cliff.
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