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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Mayock's latest positional rankings. Watson now his top QB.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000799336/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings-30

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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Mike Freeman has a few notes. Hue wants Trubisky and Sashi is like lol no. Coughlin also apparently loves Fournette at 4.

quote:

But one thing I constantly hear is that the Browns want to trade down and accumulate picks. I also hear that the front office and (coach) Hue Jackson are clashing a bit over the direction they want to go. Hue wants a quarterback from the draft and they don't.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Doltos posted:

I'm starting to notice Mayock is terrible at evaluating offensive skill positions and this is backed up by me just casually looking through his past rankings right now.
It's funny how the Jets drafted 3 QBs that all feature on Mayock's Top 5 and all 3 of Geno, Petty, and Hack will be poo poo.

It might be the team.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

No Irish Need Imply posted:

Just because they're ranked doesn't mean they're good. I doubt he stood on the table for any of them as future franchise QBs. Who you should be embarrassed for are the QBs that couldn't be better than folks like Hack.
I'm not embarrassed by anyone the team trots out there. At the very least I get to mock them in the stands like Statler and Waldorf. RIP Greg McElroy :911:

https://twitter.com/ttwentyman/status/852214101313028097

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

mcmagic posted:

If the Jets take a QB at 6 that is just a blatant cry that they have no idea what they are doing whatsoever.
I can't figure out their play here to be blowing so much smoke about QBs, especially when they're generally pretty secretive. Do they want Cleveland or Buffalo to trade up to 5 for Trubisky? How would they benefit from that unless they think it'll cause a player they want (Adams?) to slip to 6?

I have zero idea where they're going. Safety seems like a good bet if Adams is there. Fournette and OJ Howard could be intriguing, if a bit of an overdraft at 6. I could see them wanting Charles Harris or Hassan Reddick if they manage to drop back a bit. poo poo, they might actually draft Trubisky as well.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

sean10mm posted:

Hackenburg was the most obviously stupid QB pick I can remember. He looked like outright poo poo while playing cupcakes in college.
There's been hilariously questionable QBs picked in round 1 though so...

Tebow
Ponder
Weeden
Manuel
Manziel?

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

sean10mm posted:

e: Behold, the poo poo that is Hackenberg:

code:
Year	School	        Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int
*2015	Penn State	Big Ten	JR	QB	13	192	359	53.5	2525	7.0	7.2	16	6	
College players have artificially inflated stats, lol.
Know who else had poo poo college stats? :smugdog:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brett-favre-1.html

Makes you think.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

To the bottom of the 1st you go....

https://twitter.com/revengeofbirds/status/854081692776181767

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

I'm starting to believe that the Jets will absolutely take Trubisky at 6 if he's available. I honestly don't think he'll be on the board though.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Bad coaching
Pourous offensive line
poo poo coordinators
Cocaine habit
NO WEAPONZ

Eventually you just have to hold the QB accountable for being poo poo.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

All aboard the Beathard Train CHOOOHCOOO.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/854383329591918592

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

:colbert:

quote:

Cardinals QB Bruce Arians said there are 5 or 6 starting quarterbacks in this year's draft. He again called this year's QB class one of the best class of arms he's seen.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Post on Reddit listing all player visits with multiple meetings with the same team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/662pok/players_with_multiple_meetings_with_the_same_team/

quote:

New York Jets
Kevin King, Pat Mahomes (3X), Raekwon McMillan, Brad Seaton (3X), Garrett Sickels, Mitch Trubisky (4X), Deshaun Watson, Davis Webb (3X), Eric Wilson
At least 11 pre-draft meetings with QBs. That's not smokescreen.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

lol if QBs go 2-3

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CSN Chicago beat writer John Mullin expects the Bears to draft a QB at No. 3, pointing to Clemson's Deshaun Watson as the pick.

Mullin even offers a potential trade up. "The Bears have conducted some of the most exhaustive research and evaluations in recent memory not of one quarterback but multiple quarterback prospects," he writes, adding Glennon's deal could basically be viewed as a one year contract. The Bears are not a team often mentioned with quarterbacks since signing Glennon, but Mullin makes a compelling case.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

sean10mm posted:

The real issue is that nobody can reliably tell what college QB *will* improve. Even accounting for how good Dallas is on offense, Dak overachieved HUGELY and nobody saw it coming even a little bit. If Dallas thought he'd play like that, they would have taken him in the 1st round in fear that somebody else would figure it out, too.
Here's Brugler on Dak and Hack last year.





He gave Hackenberg a 4th round grade; Prescott a 4-5th round grade. Prescott projects as a better version of Tebow capable of spot-starting.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Because team and draftnik grades are rarely done on production alone?

Otherwise Colt Brennan would have an A++ grade in my heart.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

I'm hoping for a draft thread of nothing but sean10mm talking about Hackenberg and Eagles fans inexplicably writing odes to how great Carson Wentz will be.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Bob McGinn is publishing Wonderlics again.

https://twitter.com/NDTScouting/status/854912979346894851

http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/draft/2017/04/19/ranking-nfl-draft-prospects-running-back/100608826/

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Lombardi dropped on The Ringer podcast that John Ross' medicals are terrible. So there's that.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/855492042834624512

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Another report echoing Albright.

https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/856186322305863681

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

I still think 2 QBs will go in the top 10. Silver says that Hue has no say in the Browns pick and they're actively trying to trade up into the top 10, specifically for Trubisky.

https://twitter.com/BrownsChalkTalk/status/856509371152568320

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Ches Neckbeard posted:

If Hue took this job with no say over dumb poo poo like this he's dumber than any of the truckers Haslam conned.
He's likely not wrong. Hue probably has input in the decision but the GM and ultimately owner all have final say.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

FizFashizzle posted:

He'll survive getting hit in the NFL once, maybe twice tops.
He's literally the same size as Trubisky and Mahomes.

fsif posted:

Deshaun Watson owns, I hope he doesn't go to the Jets.
I don't want a QB this draft, but if it has to happen I want Watson.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Slowpoke! posted:

Neither of those guys project to be scrambling QBs in the NFL.
Have you seen Patrick Mahomes play football? It's hair on fire, all the time.

He may not be a "runner" but he's not a pocket QB.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

everyone have their razors ready?

https://twitter.com/MichaelJKist/status/856912783304163329

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/shonrp2/status/856923026042101760

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Allbright is usually pretty locked in with sources. Picks 2 and 4 are interesting.

https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/856936542438395904

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Supposedly Hassan Reddick is the Bills pick if he's there per guys like Greg Gabriel.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/857219477540360194
https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/857219256454348800

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

https://twitter.com/TylerDBrooke/status/857262456917372931
You must trade up to 6, Indy.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

mcmagic posted:

Where can I sign up for this?
Short of a trade down, can't imagine anyone being upset with either Adams or Hooker at 6.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

warcrimes posted:

Have fun with is eternally broken hamstrings
That's Lattimore. Hooker is the torn labrum guy.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

RotoWorld posted:

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported on SportsCenter Wednesday that his sources think the Browns will select UNC QB Mitchell Trubisky No. 1 overall instead of Texas A&M DE Garrett.

"I continue to hear that Mitchell Trubisky is square in consideration and may turn out to be the No. 1 pick," Schefter said. "Now I know everyone thinks Myles Garrett’s going to be the pick, and I will not be surprised if that’s the case ... But I have got very smart, very well-connected people telling me over the last 24 hours that they think Trubisky’s going to be the No. 1 pick." This would be a true stunner. With the assumption that Cleveland would take Garrett in mind, we didn't understood why Cleveland would let it leak that they were considering taking Trubisky No. 1 overall, since that news would only serve to steal leverage in trade talks if and when they attempted to move up from No. 12. Those reports would begin to make sense if Cleveland actually intended to take Trubisky. Thursday night is going to be a wild ride.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

mastershakeman posted:

has anyone since rodgers sat & then performed at a high level? there's got to be someone but I'm not thinking of anyone
Cutler didn't technically start until W12, which is longer than Eli or Goff sat. As far I can tell hes the last first rounder to sit and subsequently make a Pro Bowl. Paxton Lynch remains to be seen.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

The Browns are going to be really bad this year and will be in prime position to draft Sam Darnold, who is actually really good, unlike Mitch
I just want to toss out that last year's super early mocks had DeShaun Watson #1 and Chad Kelly #2 overall. Kelly wont even get drafted.

No one has any idea what Darnold will be once he has a larger sample and if he actually is good, he might not even declare.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

McGinn's final mock which is usually amongst the most accurate. Trubs #1.

https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/857429880316801025

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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Kalli posted:

It's not even good if you base predictions off of two year starters:
is the number of starts all that important? I saw a stat, obviously cherrypicked, that put the number of college dropbacks/pass attempts somewhat in line with what Brady and Rodgers threw.

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