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Falstaff posted:No, that's social democracy, a subset of capitalism. Democratic Socialism is just socialism with democratic involvement, as opposed to the more authoritarian flavours of Socialism. I mean I 100% believe that I'm wrong about this but I swear I've heard it described the other way around (democratic socialism rather than social democracy, that is) a ton of times, weird
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I forget which way round it is too but I think the way to remember is that the operative word is the last one, the first one is the adjective. So democratic socialism is socialism with democratic elements, social democracy is liberal democracy with socialist elements.
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my favorite genre of post is "demsoc lays out their ideal system and accidentally describes the soviet union"
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R. Guyovich posted:my favorite genre of post is "demsoc lays out their ideal system and accidentally describes the soviet union" I mean I think most of them probably would exclude Stalin who was a pretty significant element of the USSR for a while. If they aren't excluding him then I am not super sure why they're calling themselves demsocs.
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Yeah, I think by the point you're including Stalin, demsoc is a less appropriate appellation than necromancer.
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R. Guyovich posted:my favorite genre of post is "demsoc lays out their ideal system and accidentally describes the soviet union" The USSR was pretty wretched for a lot of people even during the non-Stalin phases (like Brezhnev's 18 years of stagnation), my family included. So no, as a DemSoc, I don't describe a state with one-party rule as my ideal system. Any ideal system would have to find ways to get buy-in from the general population that wasn't rooted in coercion and also find ways to resolve significant political differences, also without coercion.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:The USSR was pretty wretched for a lot of people even during the non-Stalin phases (like Brezhnev's 18 years of stagnation), my family included. So no, as a DemSoc, I don't describe a state with one-party rule as my ideal system. Any ideal system would have to find ways to get buy-in from the general population that wasn't rooted in coercion and also find ways to resolve significant political differences, also without coercion. There's always going to be some coercion - fundamentally, a state is a form of collective coercive violence, even when that's a good thing - but we can try to keep it down to a tolerable level of brutality by focusing that violence on reinforcing things that actually have broad consensus and produce real social returns.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:There's always going to be some coercion - fundamentally, a state is a form of collective coercive violence, even when that's a good thing - but we can try to keep it down to a tolerable level of brutality by focusing that violence on reinforcing things that actually have broad consensus and produce real social returns. Yeah, it depends on the form that coercion takes. If the state engages in defensive violence via a consistent and transparent legal system, that's cool. If it brutalizes some to meet the needs of others or represses views critical of itself because they undermine socialist unity or whatever, then it's just walking the old path of state surveillance and repression. Whatever state you set up has to have a mechanism for dissent, feedback and consensus-building. States that can't deal with open dissent and criticism drive it underground and usually rot because they become too enamoured with the status quo. States that don't have mechanisms to fold that dissent back into the functioning of the state via consensus will see revolt sooner or later.
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Does anyone know about leftist things happening in Nevada, Reno based stuff preferably. I want to help but I'm just not in the loop
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At this point I think it's a safe bet to assume that Trump's going to add Antifa to the terrorist group list, does this mean I'm going to prison for providing material support to a terrorist group 
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So all of this has finally been enough to get me off of my rear end, so I am pursuing information and training on how to act as a street medic for protests in and around the Austin / San Antonio corridor. I haven't been able to locate any organized groups yet but I'm sure they are around (or at least I hope some are). Does anyone on the thread have any suggestions in central Texas?
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Bel Shazar posted:So all of this has finally been enough to get me off of my rear end, so I am pursuing information and training on how to act as a street medic for protests in and around the Austin / San Antonio corridor. I haven't been able to locate any organized groups yet but I'm sure they are around (or at least I hope some are). Does anyone on the thread have any suggestions in central Texas? Black Lives Matter Austin: https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterAustin/ Antifa Austin: https://www.facebook.com/SmashFascismAustin/ Redneck Revolt has two branches in Texas: https://www.redneckrevolt.org/contact Food Not Bombs Austin would be a good way to get in contact with anarchist groups: https://www.facebook.com/AustinFoodNotBombs/ Red Guards Austin if you don't mind Maoists: https://www.facebook.com/redguardsaustin/ Redneck Revolt specifically will probably have street medic training events.
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ekuNNN posted:Black Lives Matter Austin: https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatterAustin/ Wait I think you're missing an Austin group
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unbutthurtable posted:Wait I think you're missing an Austin group Well it's just some groups that came to mind, or was this snark that I don't understand? edit: vvv ah, yeah I don't. ekuNNN fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Aug 28, 2017 |
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ekuNNN posted:Well it's just some groups that came to mind, or was this snark that I don't understand? You must not read the DSA thread, you sweet summer child. I envy you, actually.
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unbutthurtable posted:You must not read the DSA thread, you sweet summer child. I envy you, actually. It's actually a really great case study on how to not structure a chapter ever.
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ate all the Oreos posted:At this point I think it's a safe bet to assume that Trump's going to add Antifa to the terrorist group list, does this mean I'm going to prison for providing material support to a terrorist group Drone strike probably
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ate all the Oreos posted:At this point I think it's a safe bet to assume that Trump's going to add Antifa to the terrorist group list, does this mean I'm going to prison for providing material support to a terrorist group But no, seriously, get in touch with sympathetic ears, get counselling and meds if you can afford it, and do some disaster prep and general emergency training. It's done wonders for my peace of mind, knowing that I'm not helpless if the poo poo hits the fan. Get a gun if you can. It won't stop a full goon-squad, but it will stop some meth-head neo-nazi who's trying to start a race war in Buttfuck, MS by shooting at innocents, and that's way more likely to be an immediate concern for the near future.
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Veyrall posted:Not likely any time soon, especially since it wasn't illegal when you did it. Also, there's a ton of people who gave money to the KKK when it was on the terror list, and they never saw a whiff of problems. I'm pretty sure that's just because right-wing groups never get any sort of consequences or enforcement against them rather than a general rule Veyrall posted:That said, Trump did put the militarization of the police back on the agenda, and apparently some memo or other says that Trump literally worked with Putin, so it's entirely possible that there's a coup attempt sometime early next year since now there's a smoking gun in the treason case. It might be time to learn some Spanish and take advantage of Argentina's lax immigration policies. I assume you mean enough meds to tide over an emergency and not just meds in general (which I already have) - legally I can't get more than a month's worth of one of my meds at one time because of how the state controls scheduled substances, and the wife's trans meds expire too quickly to stockpile As for guns I... probably couldn't bring myself to shoot anyone ever, even in self defense. My wife's into them though so we do have some, so I guess she can go all rambo or whatever and I'll just hide in a closet.
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Statistically speaking, civilian gun owners never really stop spree shooters. I think working on your own health, forming stable networks and helping other people in need is much better advice than getting a gun.
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Tias posted:Statistically speaking, civilian gun owners never really stop spree shooters. I think working on your own health, forming stable networks and helping other people in need is much better advice than getting a gun. To be clear I think US gun culture is awful and guns should be heavily regulated and some types (mostly handguns) banned completely and have no delusions of heroically blam blamming a spree shooter or whatever, but uh there are real actual nazis doing heils without shame right now and my wife is trans and we live in a garbage state sooooo yeah. Two weeks after we moved here a trans woman of color was murdered like 5 miles from my house. The media naturally assumed she was a dirty prostitute and misgendered her and painted her about as bad as they could, if they even covered her murder at all. And this was a few years ago, before trump.
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Sure, I was referring to Veyralls example of "nazi with gun starting a race war". I am not opposed to you guys having guns to draw on a couple of wannabe murderers, particularly those who want you dead for beng trans - I just don't think people without tactical training should send more lead flying during larger shootouts is all.
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Yeah, you communicated it better than I did. Having some kind of home defense as an outsider is practically a must these days, especially in parts of the South. I can only speak for Mississippi, but there are actual meth-head neo-nazis who are emboldened as gently caress, or would be if they didn't think that everyone around them was carrying, because a lot of us are. It still terrifying to think that I could be involved in a mass shooting where I live/work, though, so don't think I'm trying to be a tough guy. I just don't have any pretense that I'm not a stone's throw away from unmedicated psychos with a racially charged chip on their shoulders. That said, even the farthest right-wing Trump worshiper here is pro-solar right now, so I'm considering starting up an installation and repair service for solar panels, if I can get the training and equipment. If we hit them in the money, the corporati won't support the fascists for very much longer. The only reason they're playing along now is because Trump sucks more corporate dick than he does nazi dick.
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I can heartily recommend martial arts training. While it will also be handy against violent people off meds, it builds a lot of confidence that will help you in all endeavours.
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Veyrall posted:Also, there's a ton of people who gave money to the KKK when it was on the terror list, and they never saw a whiff of problems.
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Care to elaborate? Or....did you just come in to be snarky, feel cool for yourself, then leave without enriching the conversation?
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ekuNNN posted:Well it's just some groups that came to mind, or was this snark that I don't understand? Fetonte-gate reference.
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Finally joined my local DSA after all this poo poo going down. Gonna go join some strikes and other stuff to help out in my community. I'm super new at activism, so I have no clue what I'm doing.
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Veyrall posted:Having some kind of home defense as an outsider is practically a must these days, especially in parts of the South. I can only speak for Mississippi, but there are actual meth-head neo-nazis who are emboldened as gently caress, or would be if they didn't think that everyone around them was carrying, because a lot of us are. 
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unbutthurtable posted:You must not read the DSA thread, you sweet summer child. I envy you, actually. There's a DSA thread?
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COOL CORN posted:There's a DSA thread? Yeah, in the subforum.
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Kekekela posted:Yeah, in the subforum. Ah, 10-4. Thanks.
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COOL CORN posted:Ah, 10-4. Thanks. no cops allowed just kidding: they're in charge
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Every poster here is an undercover agent for a different agency. The only one who's actually a radical is the one who's obviously a narc.
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unbutthurtable posted:no cops allowed drat, i didn't even think about that. saying 10-4 is just a habit i picked up from working with construction teams
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COOL CORN posted:drat, i didn't even think about that. saying 10-4 is just a habit i picked up from working with construction teams 10-4 and similar code is typical for all forms of walkie talkie communication. Cops aren't the only ones who use it and it doesn't imply any sort of association.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:10-4 and similar code is typical for all forms of walkie talkie communication. Cops aren't the only ones who use it and it doesn't imply any sort of association. I always thought it was a trucker thing and didn't even think about cops using it until it was explicitly pointed out 
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unbutthurtable posted:i SAID NO COPS ALLOWED!!!1 https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/752857511678672900
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unbutthurtable posted:i SAID NO COPS ALLOWED!!!1 
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