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So, I found a pretty interesting article about how to defeat Trumpet politics, and the basic gist of it is that going after his image and venting personal hate his way will only fuel his dogma machine and make him more of a "bad Boy" in the eyes of people who get enthusiastic for that kind of thing. The people who beat him in elections were those who focused on issues, and made the election much more political than idealogical. In addition, they weren't "establishment" politicians. I'm not sure how much merit there is to this idea, but I'm wondering what others think? I've made progress in local talks with mega-conservatives by focusing on the fact that there was an outbreak of flesh-eating bacteria in our local waters and saying that everyone needed to get more involved in environmental issues because, holy poo poo, literal flesh-eating bacteria. Also, and this might be wrong-headed, but if Trump or any other Republican does something I like, I'm gonna give them props for it. Maybe use pavlovian conditioning to push them Left in spite of themselves
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A Good Post. Thanks for stealing it
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Nov 28, 2016 00:42
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Just found my local county democrats. They've been stunned into submission by Hillary's loss. I've got a lot of work to do.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:27
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I've got to find out if there are any members left first.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:32
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Those fucks are taking december off. Well, okay then. Time to find out when the next town hall is meeting.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:45
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I'm once again left floundering with no creative outlet for my political anxieties. I've been playing with the idea of a "free" barbecue on the beach with a bunch of shameless Progressive shilling, but I have no idea how I'd organize such a thing.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:53
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Well alright thenOracle posted:Make a list of all positions at all levels in your town/city/county/district/state that have people running unopposed or have noone running at all (DO NOT FORGET TO LOOK FOR SPECIAL ELECTIONS. PEOPLE STEP DOWN MID-TERM ALL THE drat TIME AT LOWER LEVELS. THESE POSITIONS CAN BE WON WITH AS FEW AS A HUNDRED VOTES) Encourage people to run for public office. HorseRenoir posted:Do you live in a deep red area or something? Edit: BUT, there's a surprisingly high floor on democratic voters here because there's so gosh-darn many African Americans and gay kids. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 20:38
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I promise you, there's a real, significant Democratic heart here in Mississippi. Well, I say Democrat, but I really mean anti-racist, anti-pollution, anti-corporate demographic that can probably be persuaded to call themselves Democrats. There's a lot of work to be done, but I really do have hope, and Oracle's advice seems sound.
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Nov 29, 2016 20:57
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Oracle posted:A LOT OF GOOD STUFF
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Dec 1, 2016 07:15
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Yeah, but once you deduct all the fraudulent votes, we're nothing. In related news, apparently there's this thing called "rebel" cities, and I've been giving it a bit of a glance over. Basically, you just start a municipal movement in the already heavily left-leaning cities and townships to just take over at a local level and implement your policies there, as well as implement a bunch of policies that make political skullduggery more difficult. SInce the Republicans are in power right now, and thus much more able to benefit from skullduggery, this hurts them way more than it hurts us. It also helps to, you know, improve lives and all that other weird hippy crap like saving the world and not dying in a polluted hellhole.
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Dec 2, 2016 07:10
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It looks like I missed the deadline, but I really do think focusing on turning municipalities more left will be strengthening our base and maybe winning back some lost ground when people see some real and positive actions and results from Progressive initiatives.
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Dec 3, 2016 19:08
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Most of those organizations don't officially allow female members, but it can vary greatly by area. The shiners near me are basically a group of rich old white guys and their wives, with the wives doing the vast majority of the actual boots-on-the-ground work. Near as I can tell it's almost a female organization with pretensions of being a fraternity. That being said, a lot of them are also conservative, in the "I wish I could turn minorities into cis white people" way. Edit: Well apparently I'm full of poo poo. Go for it and see what happens. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Dec 5, 2016 04:24
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Huzzah! Steps in the right direction! No irony or sarcasm, that's legitimately good to hear.
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Dec 9, 2016 09:05
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Oracle posted:Interesting article from Bill Moyers on what's going on in Richmond, CA (small city just outside SanFran/Oakland that's had a lot of left grassroots success). I'll be getting this book when it comes out. In other news, there might be a better way to talk to conservatives about climate change. I'm going to finally meet my local Democrat chapter, so I'll bring it up to them as well. The short version is that we can now talk about how nice the climate used to be, and that has some better grip on Conservative personalities.
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Dec 16, 2016 23:29
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:This is really silly and isn't going to work.
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Dec 17, 2016 18:10
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:It's also a self defeating argument, to deal with GCC in the timeframe necessary requires radical change, which goes against the whole premise that you are going to win over someone with nostalgia. They'll pick having a warmer climate (even if this isn't accurate, almost everyone thinks GW = hotter) over the many things that would have to be done differently to fix GCC every day of the week. Additionally, what are the negative consequences of doing this? If there are none, then even the most marginal gains from posting these things will be superior to the stasis of inactivity.
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Dec 18, 2016 07:14
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Morbus posted:Spend 10 minutes scaring the poo poo out of those people, and it will be better spent than a years worth of arguing with conservatives who fundamentally do not want to believe you because you're on the Wrong Team. Captain Fargle posted:Hey folks, just wanted to drop an apology for not being around as much as I probably should be given that I'm the OP. I haven't been having some pretty severe mental health issues and taking a step back from politics and stuff for a while has been a necessity. I'll rejoin you all once I manage to get my head on straight again.
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Dec 18, 2016 21:05
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Also, would it be possible to pull the Tea Party at all? Seems like at least a few of them will be dissatisfied with Trump being literally the opposite of what they wanted, once that becomes clear, and they'll have the experience with rallying the parts of the country that are gonna be the hardest nuts to crack for progressive causes. I mean, Tea partiers hate corruption as much as we do, they're just...very poorly informed.
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Dec 19, 2016 20:54
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mastajake posted:I doubt it. A lot of the supporters of the tea party hate corruption, yes, but believe it to exist primarily in the government. Business corruption isn't corruption, it's just good business. With trump in charge, they have someone who they may not agree with all the time, but who is immune to governmental corruption, because he's not a politician.
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Dec 20, 2016 18:15
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Neo-Nazis are planning an open, armed march in Montana. What are the local groups there we can call on to stage a counter-march/demonstration. It occurs to me we may also need to get in touch with sympathetic tough guys and anti-fascists. This has a very real chance to turn ugly.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:33
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Race Realists posted:SOOOO Also, good things happening in my state. I wasn't able to attend this one, but I'm liking the Steps Coalition right now.
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Jan 10, 2017 06:02
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I keep seeing this guide making the rounds on Facebook. Does anyone else think it could be useful?
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Jan 12, 2017 18:53
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So...how effective might it be to run fake political ads pretending to be a Republican candidate that states their awful opinions in the straightest ways possible? Like, say, an ad that says, "I'm Rich White Guy, and I think it's time to stop Obamacare in its tracks and totally scrub it and any other trace of socialism out of America. I promise to destroy Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, and all other big government conspiracies to keep health care out of the free market." It would, at the very least, rile some of the old folks who normally autopilot vote for the R. Annual Prophet posted:Surprising that nobody's pushing for repeal of Taft Hartley and other laws that limit the effectiveness of organizations like IWW
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Jan 13, 2017 05:29
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I got together with my local NAACP chapter tonight. I'm joining. They seem like they know what's what.
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Jan 20, 2017 03:24
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Just saw Divided America and joined the NAACP, which is getting bigger here in the South. Turns out we still got a bunch of old Civil Rights movement veterans, too.
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Jan 20, 2017 07:34
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Please, if/when you protest adopt the imagery and symbols that resonate with your average american. That's who you're actually trying to influence. That being said, it doesn't matter what we do to avoid slander. Our opposition, the corporation funded white nationalist agenda that Trump champions, will always paint us as un-American and will actually hire people to infiltrate our rallies and stir up violence and shocking actions in order to discredit us. What we need to do is find ways to preemptively defend against and defuse these types of attacks. One way would be to find the correspondence of elites hiring miscreants to attend our rallies. Another way would be to take advantage of the flash mob technique, to instigate and curate a ready group of people to gather and demonstrate too quickly for the alt-right/corporatos to effectively orchestrate any disruptions.
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Jan 21, 2017 05:40
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At times, an opposing perspective is needed. I think some of the analysis in this article is pretty loving spot on, even if it is somewhat wrong-headed and other parts of the site are slobbering in their devotion to Christianity as some kind of magic cure-all to all of America's cultural woes.
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Jan 26, 2017 08:42
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Either they'll do it or we'll primary their asses out. That's the best we can do, so it's what we're doing, at least on the electoral side of things. Edit: actually, yeah, we are going to have to clean out the armchair Dems, so this is probably a good way to figure out who's on our side and who needs to find another job.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:16
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Okay, so, I spoke with an old friend who happens to be very conservative, extraordinarily ill-informed, and generally just stops arguing his points at the slightest pushback without actually engaging in debate. When pressed about the various issues, his basic response was, since he married into one of the elite families in MIssissippi (I know, I know), he just wasn't affected by anything and felt no urge to inform himself or defend his position. Basically, he was willingly ignorant because he felt immune to any possible negative consequences of his personal politics. My immediate thought was, "How can I show this guy that he is being affected already?" We have to find out how to communicate to everyone about how badly the current political climate is gearing up to gently caress them over, or is already loving them over. If anyone has any ideas for how to get smug white guys to listen to reason, I'm all ears. I understand it's probably wasted effort, but my area of the south is predominantly white and smug, so I've gotta work with what I've got.
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Feb 1, 2017 09:11
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That may all be true, but if we don't figure out ways to stop that happening, things are going to race past us. With Bannon taking over the security council and gaining the authority to order actual, no poo poo, assassinations, we have to figure out ways to short-circuit or stop the fascists or else I get to pick my favorite wall to be shot in front of. No lie, this isn't theoretical or distant, this is a clear and present danger looming over the heads of every American who doesn't want to live in Nazi Germany.
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Ruzihm posted:https://twitter.com/burnlittlelight/status/826903075361157120 this is a good thread I agree. That being said, I'm suffering a little bit of politics fatigue, especially since my friend who thought he was immune to everything actually opened up and wants to discuss the issues, and is actually strongly green in his philosophies and is willing to learn more. In fact, a lot of my friends are starting to come out to me with their political views, and good strong discussions are happening. Unfortunately, all this political proselytizing is draining my brain something fierce, and I need a good way to recharge and recenter. Anyone got any ideas?
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Beating gerrymandering is going to be one of our biggest challenges going forward, I think. As is Senators and Reps doing their best to dodge talking to their constituents. Edit: Also, I think I need to write out the counter-argument to a goddamn stupid line I'm hearing drat near every day. "Well, Trump isn't doing anything Obama hadn't done" We should probably get a script of common "points" and counterpoints written down for both media interactions as well as day-to-day discussions. Making sure I don't accidentally condescend to someone when they say things like "Hillary would have done all the same stuff" is really, really tough. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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SomeMathGuy posted:Makes sense. Gardner's been voting and commenting on protests like we're a safe state for his re-election when we're anything but.
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Feb 8, 2017 06:35
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Except for that group of white supremacists that took over a government building a while ago. They got away scot-free and most of them enjoy additional social gains from being associated. whitepeople.txt
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Feb 8, 2017 20:19
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Tias posted:Other factors were at play. They were right-wing radicals, and as such not consciously attempting to challenge the actual ruling class.
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Feb 9, 2017 10:18
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quote:...Security forces are often reluctant to use violence against crowds that might include their neighbors or relatives. Also, in regards to the violence/non-violence angle, exactly what do the American pro-violence people think we can accomplish against the most heavily armed, technically advanced, and casually brutal military force in the world? Or one of the most heavily armed, technically advanced, and vehemently militaristic police forces on the planet? They. Will. Annihilate. Us. If. We. Get. Violent. What've we got? Rocks, spray-paint, maybe some gasoline in a beer bottle? They have assault rifles, drones, bombs, chemical weapons that literally melt your skin, battle plans drawn up by people who kill people professionally, and nukes. Going the path of violence is going to be an excellent way to serve up America on a platter to Bannon and the Republican regime.
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Feb 10, 2017 09:14
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I've actually joined the NAACP myself. If the group focuses on education and police retraining, like it has been, I think it could easily grow in influence and respect among people. The Moral Movement also seems like it's doing good work.
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Feb 11, 2017 18:08
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Does anyone here have any good ideas on how to track down a rep in hiding? Steven Palazzo has gone completely MIA lately, and has seemingly completely disconnected from even his constituents. All we wanna do is ask him why he's supporting a bill to end the EPA when our coastal waters are literally full of flesh-eating bacteria for reasons no one can fathom* *It's the BP oil spill. It wasn't fully cleaned up and everyone knows it.
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Feb 19, 2017 09:25
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Lightning Knight posted:How does an oil spill cause flesh-eating bacteria? Lightning Knight posted:If he and his staff have disappeared and completely refuse to talk to anyone, I'd try and get in contact with a local paper or news organization and urge them to look into it. Maybe they'll run a story and try and get him to show back up.
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Gonna be attending my first city hall meeting tonight. Palazzo is trying to avoid it, so we'll see what happens.
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