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MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
If anyone is on the fence or overwhelmed with all the options in front of them in the wake of what's happened all over the world this year, then I would heartily recommend taking the first step of joining a political party and start attending meetings.

I joined the Labour party a few months ago, not really knowing what to expect or what to do, and found it to be a group of really cool people that I could discuss politics with face to face. I'm now getting more and more involved with campaigning and felt really welcome, since a lot of the people currently in the party are older people from the 70s-80s who are crying out for some young blood to come in and help out.

I can't speak to the situation in other countries, but if you care about what's going on in the world, get out of your gooncave and start meeting people. The rest will follow.

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MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

HorseLord posted:

The beauty of proportional representation is that a vote for the people you like is always a vote against that one shithead who sucks.

Haha, yeah, wow what a crazy dream, PR...

*sobs*

:britain: :911:

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Desmond posted:

I've often wondered where our Edward R. Murrows is, but things are different in the 24/7 news cycle, along with fake news and news commenting, etc. Like it seems that there are very few (if any?) solid voices in the media that seek truth instead of ratings.

Unfortunately I think a lot of people consider our Murrows to be Jonathan Pie

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

We need to go back to the new deal paradigm of the working class actually mattering. The democrats have been the party of the 'meritocracy' for too long. Lol at the fact that dems have helped dismantle unions and have driven the entire bottom half of their voter base into resentment.

America is more hosed than most because unlike most countries there is no party that is traditionally socialist or came from labour. The Democrats made a temporary alliance with organised labour and dumped it at the first opportunity, because it's always been at its heart a corporatist party.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
Does the US have anything like the Peelian Principles with regards to the formation of law enforcement organisation? I know that there is a whole lot going on that has led to US police executing people in the street and getting away with it, but i'm still curious because the Peelian Principles actually seem like a pretty good set of ground rules for law enforcement compared to forming police organisations from slave catchers (assuming of course that LEOs follow them, which is a whole other story):

Robert Peel posted:

The nine principles were as follows:

1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.
2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
3. To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.
4. To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
5. To seek and preserve public favour, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humour, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.
6/ To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public co-operation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.
7. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. To recognise always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary, of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.
9. To recognise always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

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