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Third parties are more useless than ever right now. Unless they're specifically organizing something that doesn't involve winning an election, your effort is far more needed in strengthening the major left-wing party that already exists in America.
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themrguy posted:Yeah I was involved with some leftist third parties when I was younger and stupider. It wasn't a very positive experience. Anyone I knew from those days who was worth a drat and is still active in politics is either working for the Dems or left-leaning nonprofit. Just in general, I will never see the point in trying to build up a third party in a FPTP system. There's no difference between the Democratic Party and a coalition between a center-left party and smaller fringe left groups that you see in other nations, the only change is that all the discussion and organization is happening within the party instead of between two slightly more independent groups. Unless you live in Maine. In that case, go wild with trying to build a leftist third party because they're switching to a ranked preference voting system soon.
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Nov 15, 2016 09:09
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You know what is not Effective Leftism? Having a billion circuitous arguments about what is true leftism while fascists organize and burn the world around you on topic, you should support the ACLU. They're getting the biggest upswell of support since 9/11 but every little bit of help counts: https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/aclu-receiving-outpouring-support-heres-what-we-plan-doing-it HorseRenoir fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 17:05
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NikkolasKing posted:Over in the USPOL thread people were discussing how the Democrats are currently potentially heading towards the Left and there's been no real resistance. It was contrasted with Labour which apparently tore itself apart to try and stop Corbyn. But Corbyn is...not good? I dunno. I only follow the "surface" events, I can't say if he's a good politician or not. Corbyn is like Jimmy Carter in that he's a good person but an extremely lovely politician. Obviously leadership isn't easy when most of your party organization hates you, but he's been pretty passive and spineless in the face of Brexit. He is definitely not the Sanders-esque firebrand that people were expecting him to be.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:40
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Lightning Knight posted:I feel like the bizarre and lovely nature of our electoral system actually helps us on this front. Most of the conservative Dems were wiped out in 2010. I have no issue with big establishment names like Schumer staying as long as they know they hosed up and support the progressive wing, which it looks like they are. Primarying our party's most established names and money-raisers for no reason is dumb, especially when it's way harder for Dems to find outside donors and infrastructure independently like fringe Tea Partiers can.
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Nov 15, 2016 22:05
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Lightning Knight posted:As in challenging a sitting congressperson who did A Bad Thing for their seat in the primary before the election. It's what the Tea Party did to get the Republicans to respect them and it forces sitting Democrats to take their campaign promises seriously. As I said, most of the Dems who were stubbornly against progressive legislation are gone. Most of the centrist Dems remaining would vote for that legislation but will not be the ones to actively push for it unless someone else can prove that it's a politically safe way to move forward. We saw this happen when the DNC added progressive points to their platform after Bernie proved there was demand for it. And now we're seeing it happen again with establishment Dems supporting Ellison for DNC chair after Hillary lost. If Ellison gets the position and successfully wins races on that platform, then that's it.
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Nov 15, 2016 22:39
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Hillary's loss was a death by a thousand cuts and there's a lot of small things that caused it when added together. Her loss was so narrow that even one or two of those reasons didn't happen or the Dems ran a marginally better candidate Trump would not be president.
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Nov 16, 2016 00:06
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Plan Z posted:It's been nice to see so many people showing up asking to help us at the local Dem headquarters. Just as a favor to me, can we all agree that we need to get the left to stop using the term Social Justice as it pure loving poison? I had to fight to get them to switch the terminology in our newsletters describing Keith Ellison as a skeleton as a positive. Out of curiosity, what state is this?
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Nov 29, 2016 09:19
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Veyrall posted:I've got to find out if there are any members left first. Do you live in a deep red area or something?
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Nov 29, 2016 20:06
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Just as a clarification, is the DSA actually a third party or is it just an independent organization working in tandem with the Democrats?
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Dec 10, 2016 19:04
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Yeah, the DSA sounds cool but it shouldn't be a substitute for engaging with the actual party
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crosspost from C-SPAM: Here's something that may be of interest to the thread: https://knockeverydoor.org/ A bunch of former Bernie staffers are putting together a massive canvassing operation, with the goal being to not only discuss issues with voters one-on-one, but to also collect information on voters' concerns and use that data to build political networks on a local level.
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(crosspost from cspam) I found a pretty interesting guide on reddit on how to run for public office that would probably fit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Political_Revolution/comments/5pg7bq/how_to_run_for_local_office_a_small_guide_by/
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Jan 23, 2017 02:05
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4chan posters did not win the election for Trump
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Jan 24, 2017 17:20
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OhFunny posted:So the Democratic Socialists of America have more than doubled in membership size. There's a casual tidbit near the end about the new leadership of the Nebraska Dems being allied with the DSA. That's really cool and hopefully we'll see more of that happening in the states that Bernie had a large presence in
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Creating a third party is dumb. The goal should be to take control of the Dems' internal machinery and pressuring the rest of the party to fall in line. The Dems have a huge amount of infrastructure, resources, and name recognition and the left would be fools to give that up for ideological purity.
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