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Yeah, I don't see why anyone should stop going if it's not allowed. Asking for permission for a match / rally / protest is more of a "Hey, just a heads up, we are doing this and want it to be peaceful and remain a safe" thing.

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Jun 1, 2005





Seems relevant - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/08/womens-march-on-washington-lincoln-memorial

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Oh, sorry - I hope you did not take that as being accusatory. Like "rah people should do it anyways!" I mean more along the lines of, morally speaking, asking for a permit to protest is a nice thing to do. The government really shouldn't deny it and if so, the people shouldn't respect that.

It's really awesome that you are going.

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Jun 1, 2005





OhFunny posted:

So the Democratic Socialists of America have more than doubled in membership size.

From 6,500 in May 2016 to over 14,000 as of now.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/19795/socialisms-trump-bump-democratic-socialists-america

That's encouraging. I looked up their chapters in my area and there are none in Denver. One in Boulder but the last posting was from before the election. :(

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OhFunny posted:

The last post on their fb page was a week ago?

They have an event scheduled for Feb 11th on the website and it says they meet every 3rd Thursday of the month. Have you tried contacting them?

I don't have a Facebook account so I didn't think to check there. I saw that they meet every 3rd Thursday, but did not see the event on their calendar. I had been burnt in the past with the Dem scheduling a reoccurring meeting that they don't do anymore. I haven't reached out, was just looking since people were talking about the DSA gaining ground.

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yellowyams posted:

:crossarms:

I definitely trust the analysis of someone who had this thought.

The person is pretty clearly from outside the US, so you can probably forgive the lack of knowledge there. The concept isn't exactly wrong. Dems need to do more to attract working class voters and having a spokesperson from that group of people would be a good thing.

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dwarf74 posted:

One of our local congressmen (we're gerrymandered to hell, of course) is playing hide-and-seek with liberals. I had no idea this had gotten so substantial.

It's driving our local conservatives bonkers.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1247883075248651&id=161913750512261

Seems like a common tactic right now. There's a big hubbub for Cory Gardner, Republican Senator of CO doing the same thing - http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/senator-gardner-hold

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SomeMathGuy posted:

Makes sense. Gardner's been voting and commenting on protests like we're a safe state for his re-election when we're anything but.

Thanks for linking that petition, by the way, I'll share it around. Not necessarily expecting it to accomplish anything but he needs a bit of the fear of god put back in him.

From what I understand they are planning to print it all out and have people deliver it to all of his offices during business hours. Can't hide forever you fucker. :getin:

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Netflix's Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom should be required watching for this conversation.

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ate all the Oreos posted:

gently caress I don't even remember what these people were protesting

This is hilarious given your argument.

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Jun 1, 2005





ate all the Oreos posted:

I very carefully said what you're doing and not why you're doing it :colbert:

How are the peaceful protests at DAPL working out?

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Doorknob Slobber posted:

This is a bit long, but its a great read. If you read this and you don't want to bash some heads in, you might not be a human being.

I also really enjoyed this and have shared it with everyone I possibly can.

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It's really frustrating talking about unions with neoliberals. They all seem to have the exact same stance as your average Republican: That unions are bad, violent, and are not necessary anymore. How do these people expect for workers to be able to act as a countervailing force against corporations and concentrated power? I'm sure unions have their problems and I'm sure there is always going to be work todo, but you don't abolish government because it has its flaws. You don't outlaw religion because the Catholic church protected kiddy-touchers. You don't do away with police because they like shooting black people. You work to fix problems in these very important systems. You don't just demolish the system and pretend you're better off. It's just interesting that the only one they are for demolishing just happens to be the one that helps empower the powerless.

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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here. Why wouldn't Republicans have the same stance as a guy like Reagan?

Yeah, I'm sure you're having trouble understanding that I'm trying to say. :rolleyes:

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Sorry, neoliberal democrats. Now maybe we can move on with our lives, because it wasn't clear at all from context.

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SomeMathGuy posted:

You'll note that the government, the church, and the police are not contrary to the interests of the capitalist class and thus do not always have various media apparatuses blasting about how bad and corrupt and bad they are at every opportunity.

Also I'm in favor of abolishing all of the examples you mentioned aside from unions so :v: and/or :anarchists:

Just out of curiosity, since I know we there is a good amount of overlap with DSA / anarchists, what would things ideally look like without government or police?

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Thank you guys for those answers. They're really informative.

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Jun 1, 2005





Sold! I'd vote for you.

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Jun 1, 2005





*posts link to lmgtfy iww*

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