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raditts posted:I agree though, this movie seemed like it didn't know what it wanted to be, and as a result none of it was interesting, just a bunch of disparate set pieces glued together with lousy cgi. The movie seems like it knew exactly what it wanted to be: a prequel trilogy about the wizard world war II that the books alluded to a bunch. It just stapled the fantastic beasts property on because that was a published book to give it legitimacy. It has no real interest in that aspect of the story and will dispose of it as soon as it can. I bet the last significant beast based plot point comes half way through the next movie then it and everything from the book is never mentioned again.
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Not knowing anything about the film going in I spent the first quarter of it wondering who the Mistress Commander was.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The movie seems like it knew exactly what it wanted to be: a prequel trilogy about the wizard world war II that the books alluded to a bunch. *Quintology
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Fingerless Gloves posted:So Credence is dead now and the city is half destroyed. Doesn't matter let's just wipe all the memories and fix it, done. The memory wipe I can understand, but the way they just fixed an entire city was lazy. What about the people straight up slain by Credence? How will you explain a nice fixed room with a red smear that used to be somebody's wife on one wall? Unfortunately the movie does have a case of car death syndrome. After tearing a hole in a subway station, several towers, and a bunch of streets, Creedence is explicitly called out as causing the death of only one Muggle. Hell, the set is full of busted autos! raditts posted:Seriously though, they have a goddamn magic word that instakills so they could provide the most humane execution possible, but they go to lengths to make these hosed up supervillain death chambers and send people to die in them for trivial offenses? It just made me think "you know, maybe these people really should be exterminated." Yeah, but, those curses are unforgivable!
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I actually like wizard society being so screwy that using Unforgivable Curses to execute someone is forbidden, but basically hypnotizing them and asking them if they'd like to willingly sit in a death chamber is OK. That kind of thing should have been the core of the movie instead of being a small part of one of its four plots.
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I mean, its really not that different from how we execute people in real life. The Electric chair, Hanging, Guillotine, gas chambers or even lethal injection now that they just throwing random poo poo in there since the suppliers won't give them the good drugs any more. It would probably be much kinder to shoot them, but we don't. People getting executed in really horrifying ways is kinda par for the course of human history. Zore fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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I did enjoy how casual the execution escort woman was about the whole thing. "Oh it's execution time? Good stuff we've only had eight so far this week. Get into the chair guys. It'll be fun."
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Steve2911 posted:I did enjoy how casual the execution escort woman was about the whole thing. Yeah she had a sweet grammy vibe. A murder Grammy.
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Mameluke posted:Unfortunately the movie does have a case of car death syndrome. After tearing a hole in a subway station, several towers, and a bunch of streets, Creedence is explicitly called out as causing the death of only one Muggle. Hell, the set is full of busted autos! at that point he'd killed two people onscreen, so obviously they aren't counting
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The Ariana connection is interesting... I just looked it up and that incident happened in 1899, which is a shame, since I was hoping to see it in future movies. Though I'm sure a quick Pensieve visit could solve that. Also, JKR confirmed the final movie will take place in 1945: https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/800647497848934400
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To answer the thread title, you find them in the trash. With this movie
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No maj is a really dumb phrase
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Looper posted:No maj is a really dumb phrase And muggle is any better?
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Nov 21, 2016 21:29
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Wizard is a really dumb term too, like what is it, a cross between whizz and retard???
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Zore posted:I mean, its really not that different from how we execute people in real life. The Electric chair, Hanging, Guillotine, gas chambers or even lethal injection now that they just throwing random poo poo in there since the suppliers won't give them the good drugs any more. Most of those are relatively humane as compared to previous methods, though, and provide a quick, painless death unless something goes wrong. The Magusa way makes Judge Dredd seem reasonable by comparison.
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And Kowalski is such a dumb fake name too, like ok JK Rowling, you've heard of the Wachowskis, we get it
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raditts posted:Most of those are relatively humane as compared to previous methods, though, and provide a quick, painless death unless something goes wrong. The Magusa way makes Judge Dredd seem reasonable by comparison. The English Wizards let your immortal soul be devoured by happiness-stealing monsters. Somehow the American one is less hosed up. At least you get to go on to the afterlife instead of being digested in the stomach of an unkillable hell-beast.
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Pryce posted:The Ariana connection is interesting... I just looked it up and that incident happened in 1899, which is a shame, since I was hoping to see it in future movies. Though I'm sure a quick Pensieve visit could solve that. Little Boy and Fat Man were the nicknames of some yet unseen magical beasts. Newt ended WW2.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I actually like wizard society being so screwy that using Unforgivable Curses to execute someone is forbidden, but basically hypnotizing them and asking them if they'd like to willingly sit in a death chamber is OK. That kind of thing should have been the core of the movie instead of being a small part of one of its four plots. I feel like I should know what your avatar is but I don't. Hedrigall posted:Wizard is a really dumb term too, like what is it, a cross between whizz and retard??? Yes
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I just remembered but the way Kowalski played the audience surrogate was just hamfisted at times. Oh Hogwarts? Is there an American wizard school toooooo? 
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While watching this movie, somewhere in the middle during the MACUSA shenanigans, I leaned back against the theater seat's headrest and let my eyes shut for several moments at a time while still listening to the dialog. My girlfriend leaned her head against my shoulder and I thought, "aw crap, what if she saw me about to doze off," and after the movie she told me she took a 20-minute nap during that time. I think the movie suffered from its scattered approach to the plot. We meet so many characters, but none of them carry the heart of the movie. Scamander is perpetually lost in thought, his sidekick is just kind of there going :O for the first half and stumbling through a completely unearned love subplot in the latter half. It's love at first sight... but it's forbidden and fleeting! Now it will never come to be... unless they meet up again anyway! Plus the Scamander/Not-Hermione romance was shoehorned in at the end. Detective Lady should have been combined with her sister to give her some more dimension. She would keep walking into scenes or staring at other characters without contributing much of anything. Her end scene felt like a betrayal, as she had so few interactions with Scamander that their secret mutual crush or special friendship seemed to be a bone for the shippers more than anything. The CGI final monster reminded me a bit of the cloud villains in Green Lantern and Fantastic Four 2. Compared to the Harry Potter movies, where the Cerberus/Basilisk/Spiders/Trolls were distinct and easy to follow, here we got a superfast, somewhat-visible blob of poo poo. Sure, it looked cool in the subway where it merges with the scenery to actually have a visual effect on the place, but otherwise the monster was a waste of time to watch. Then there are four endings, any of which could have stood alone if it had just faded to black while that CG platypus/otter thing races up to the camera and farts or whatever. (jk I actually liked that critter more than the others) The Curse of Colin Farrell continues.
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skooma512 posted:I just remembered but the way Kowalski played the audience surrogate was just hamfisted at times. Dan Fogler is among the worst actors pretty much ever.
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skooma512 posted:I just remembered but the way Kowalski played the audience surrogate was just hamfisted at times. I would like to see some shots of wizard MIT
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When does the original Harry Potter movies take place? The 90s? How old is Dumbeldore?
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Vintersorg posted:When does the original Harry Potter movies take place? The 90s? How old is Dumbeldore? IIRC the movies take place whenever the gently caress they feel like, but the books are from '91 to '97. Dumbledore's 115 in '97 when he dies. stev fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 21, 2016 |
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Vintersorg posted:When does the original Harry Potter movies take place? The 90s? How old is Dumbeldore? The books are set from 1991 to around 98, barring the play/last chapter which begins in 2017.
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Space Fish posted:While watching this movie, somewhere in the middle during the MACUSA shenanigans, I leaned back against the theater seat's headrest and let my eyes shut for several moments at a time while still listening to the dialog. My girlfriend leaned her head against my shoulder and I thought, "aw crap, what if she saw me about to doze off," and after the movie she told me she took a 20-minute nap during that time. What curse?
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Space Fish posted:(jk I actually liked that critter more than the others) The niffler was the one creature in the movie that actually felt like a magic animal doing silly magic animal things and not just a plot device or a personality-less source of destruction.
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What about plant Groot?
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twerking on the railroad posted:I would like to see some shots of wizard MIT Please look forward to native american stereotypes
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Roadie posted:The niffler was the one creature in the movie that actually felt like a magic animal doing silly magic animal things and not just a plot device or a personality-less source of destruction. The glowing gently caress rhino was a pretty cool thing.
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Please rename this thread Fantastic Glowing gently caress Rhinos and Where to Find Them
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I like how the cgi ostrich was totally unconvincing
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Hedrigall posted:Please rename this thread Fantastic Glowing gently caress Rhinos and Where to Find Them
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Glowing gently caress Rhino is a pretty good name for a metal band
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This movie was real gay. I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, I mean its themes were quite gay. "These austere religious extremists beat orphans because of the [magic] inside them, and if you're a [wizard] who represses [magic], it's wildly destructive and terrible and the only way to live a healthy life is to embrace it. Also there are secret parlors all over the city where [magic users] go to hang out with each other, but you have to know where to look cuz' it's a dangerous secret." With that in mind, I'm really wondering how they'll handle the Grindelwald and Dumbledore thing. Because I believe they canonically had a gay relationship before the former turned evil, according to JK Rowling. I don't see how they'd gloss over that if they're making multiple films that explore their conflict. Another interpretation: Newt Scamander has autism. He's an intelligent but eccentric man who seldom makes eye contact, has few close friends, and has trouble internalizing social cues. And he devotes his life to building an encyclopedic knowledge of animals, which he likes more than people because the relationships he has with them are less complex. This is likewise not a pejorative remark, I just think the dude has Asperger syndrome.
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Xealot posted:Also there are secret parlors all over the city where [magic users] go to hang out with each other, but you have to know where to look cuz' it's a dangerous secret." With that in mind, I'm really wondering how they'll handle the Grindelwald and Dumbledore thing. Because I believe they canonically had a gay relationship before the former turned evil, according to JK Rowling. I don't see how they'd gloss over that if they're making multiple films that explore their conflict. It's also Prohibition-era New York when speakeasies were a thing, and it's pretty clearly evocative of that. It also can, of course, be both. I think Rowling later said Grindelwald didn't reciprocate Dumbledore's affection and was simply using him to get more knowledge of the Hallows for his greater good. Kind of like how he did with Credence
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Gripes aside, I liked the movie a good amount. Ron Perlman as a gangster elf was great.
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howe_sam posted:It's also Prohibition-era New York when speakeasies were a thing, and it's pretty clearly evocative of that. It also can, of course, be both. No, of course. And the New Salemers were definitely modeled after Temperance Movement religious people to some degree. But with respect to the themes of repressed identity and Puritanical shame, the gay metaphor works. There are also wrinkles of it with details like wizards being barred from relationships with "nomaj-es." It's never literal, just very overt subtext. Which is why I wonder about the Dumbledore and Grindelwald thing, because it's not veiled or subtext. Dumbledore was literally gay and in love with him. And based on Grindelwald's dynamic with Credence, I think he *did* reciprocate, at least in physical ways. The way Graves interacted with Credence screamed sexual and psychological abuse to me. There was definitely a sexual predator energy to the whole thing...this deeply closeted, powerless-feeling teen roped into a conspiracy with an older man who encourages him to express his 'true self,' but only in private. Graves came off as 100% a pedophile.
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Xealot posted:This movie was real gay. I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, I mean its themes were quite gay. "These austere religious extremists beat orphans because of the [magic] inside them, and if you're a [wizard] who represses [magic], it's wildly destructive and terrible and the only way to live a healthy life is to embrace it. Also there are secret parlors all over the city where [magic users] go to hang out with each other, but you have to know where to look cuz' it's a dangerous secret." With that in mind, I'm really wondering how they'll handle the Grindelwald and Dumbledore thing. Because I believe they canonically had a gay relationship before the former turned evil, according to JK Rowling. I don't see how they'd gloss over that if they're making multiple films that explore their conflict. I did get an Imitation Game vibe too. To the point where I actually missed that picture of that girl, so when he was talking about a classmate he ostensibly cared for, I immediately thought "Christopher".
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