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great another ivory tower liberal talking about something that concerns .00001% of the population. guess what, the vast majority of people don't give two shits about art when they cant afford to feed themselves
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jeff koons is a great example of the evil of un-ideology
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Lactose Is Wack posted:great another ivory tower liberal talking about something that concerns .00001% of the population. That's what half of folk culture is all about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKbIkYGsIg
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Nov 19, 2016 16:45
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That's what half of folk culture is all about. it's why you lose elections
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Lactose Is Wack posted:it's why you lose elections It's why everybody loses elections.
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as an artist i can confirm that art is a left wing hobby actually everything that is not poo poo shoveling or stock trading is a left wing hobby
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Nov 19, 2016 17:53
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exmarx posted:jeff koons is a great example of the evil of un-ideology he's basically the death of art. gently caress that guy so much. the baffler publishes a lot of really good works: http://thebaffler.com/art i think there is something to be said for the rise of poptimism and it's crowding out of all other kinds of art, at least in the larger public sphere. movies + music in popular culture don't really tackle difficult subjects anymore. this is really obvious in country music.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:34
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exmarx posted:jeff koons is a great example of the evil of un-ideology i feel the same way about the architect frank gehry although i think his soulless red vine twist corporate towers  are far more tasteful and effective as buildings than his gadawful museums  tho his style isn't really appropriate for trump-level fascy-waschy..... too like arcane and immediately ugly??? i imagine the gleaming glass boxes of the mid and late-century international style are more his speed, based on what trump has chosen for himself    his base however, doesn't live among those kinds of buildings, i think you'd build those buildings for the city folk who need to be reminded who walks in the street and who drifts from roof to roof in black mirrored cars. im gonna think about what aesthetic trump's america has planned for the deplorables
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frankly i think there's too much hay made about the dangers of evangelicals but i think megachurches might be able to give us a hint about the aesthetics of trump's base and what will drive America's Taste in the future   part cathedral, part stadium, part poem 2 capitalism, these guys are assembled extravagantly on vast plains and fallow farms
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Nov 19, 2016 18:50
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Al! posted:frankly i think there's too much hay made about the dangers of evangelicals but i think megachurches might be able to give us a hint about the aesthetics of trump's base and what will drive America's Taste in the future not enough gold also the hot takes on Koons itt make me fart
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Nov 19, 2016 18:54
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the hottest take i have on koons is that he's made millions as a flatterer, his works post uhh lets be generous 1990 dont have much to say about anything and are designed to give cheap thrills to a specific class of narcissistic millionaire or billionaire, or impress an entire strata of the same enough to reinvest in his work (im thinking of the macy's thanks giving day balloon he made, which is a parade route that is designed to pass the windows of the extremely wealthy new york elite)  Pictured: rabbit, jeff koons 2007. im not sure (it has been a while) but that might be the dakota, outside of where john lennon was murdered the more i think about it hes kind of perfect for trumps america, maybe he'll get some big fancy title
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Nov 19, 2016 19:21
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Al! posted:the more i think about it hes kind of perfect for trumps america, maybe he'll get some big fancy title yeah, that's why I like him. someone has to catalogue the super-shallow, don't care if he has a critical position to it or not
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Nov 19, 2016 19:31
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someone has to make bad art and sell it for millions, duh
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the obscene little waggle is what takes this into high art, thank you for it Al! posted:tho his style isn't really appropriate for trump-level fascy-waschy..... too like arcane and immediately ugly??? i imagine the gleaming glass boxes of the mid and late-century international style are more his speed, based on what trump has chosen for himself Seems pretty self-evident to me  A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 19:53 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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I hope snobs grow some balls and start differentiating between low and high culture again.
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Nov 19, 2016 19:48
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Karl Barks posted:someone has to make bad art and sell it for millions, duh Marina Abramovic's brand is the real winner of 2016
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Lawman 0 posted:I hope snobs grow some balls and start differentiating between low and high culture again.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:This will be illegal under Trump. All will wear the hat. 
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Seems pretty self-evident to me im looking forward to the end of building codes, forever
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devtesla posted:https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/793816434073739264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw sometime around 11:30 on election night I turned to my wife, who was in tears, and said something very much like this, lol the one silver lining to losing is that the left does really cool poo poo when we're the opposition
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_8DWg5W0w i agree with this dideo
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lmao ^^^^ richard prince is the only artist who has successfully hosed with the art world in a way that's actually thought provoking imo http://www.richardprince.com/exhibitions/new-portraits/
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Nov 19, 2016 20:09
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yeah selling other people's instagram shots, and cashing in, is really loving with the art world
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Karl Barks posted:lmao ^^^^ there's are other artists who i think are less controversial but none the less put forward very good institutional critiques (tho its easy to fall into the rabbit hole of making art about making art)  .but i think i agree that of the ones who are capable of stirring up popular controversy, he's the best (and least amount of a shithead) 
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Al! posted:there's are other artists who i think are less controversial but none the less put forward very good institutional critiques (tho its easy to fall into the rabbit hole of making art about making art) yeah i shouldn't have said only, he's just probably the most visible. I also really like john lurie, and I think it's going to be interesting to see what he does in the next 4 years because he definitely has a political edge to him (or at least his twitter account does). http://johnlurieart.com/
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mike12345 posted:yeah selling other people's instagram shots, and cashing in, is really loving with the art world glad u agree
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Marina Abramovic's brand is the real winner of 2016 I've been told The Artist is Present is worth a watch, if you're not familiar with her work/style of working. I've only gotten a glimpse of her work through a couple of exhibitions, but liked what I saw.
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the artist is preset got so much attention because her old partner showed up, which she didn't even plan! maybe that's art? i have really mixed feelings on abramovic. sometimes I think her art is the performance art equivalent of the confessional essay, which are largely garbage imo
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Karl Barks posted:the artist is preset got so much attention because her old partner showed up, which she didn't even plan! maybe that's art? i have really mixed feelings on abramovic. sometimes I think her art is the performance art equivalent of the confessional essay, which are largely garbage imo oh so is the conflict with her partner a part of the movie, or did that happen afterwards? the lawsuit over the joint works I mean. yeah I get confessional essay, and sometimes it seems like a practical joke, but still there's lots of poetry present. I don't know, there was this performance after the balkan wars in the 90s, where she sat on a pile of bones and cleaned them for days. In some ways you could argue it's flat, but the manic execution of the performance overpowered any doubts you could have about it.
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Mirthless posted:sometime around 11:30 on election night I turned to my wife, who was in tears, and said something very much like this, lol I would have divorced you
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Nov 19, 2016 21:32
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the bush years gave us arrested development
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Al! posted:i feel the same way about the architect frank gehry although i think his soulless red vine twist corporate towers A firm rule must be imposed upon our nation before it destroys itself. The United States needs some theology and geometry, some taste and decency. I suspect that we are teetering on the edge of the abyss.
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Man Musk posted:the bush years gave us arrested development arrested development is okay
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Art wise, I'm not really sure what will happen, but I have three prediction on music and general style: 1) Shoulder pads will come back, as women, feeling somewhat more fragile about their place in the workplace, decide to try to make themselves look more aggressive and masculine. 2) The new trend in home re-decorating -- late 60's and 70's style! Browns mixed with more browns mixed with more browns! With a burnt sienna couch for the heck of it! 3) Mainstream rock music will get darker and denser. Fewer whiny boys singing what are basically remakes of "Hey, There Delilah," more grunge/electronic/industrial influences. It will still continue to decline in relevance.
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blackmet posted:Art wise, I'm not really sure what will happen, but I have three prediction on music and general style: I like what I'm hearing so far
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this one creeps me out the most
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Al! posted:i feel the same way about the architect frank gehry although i think his soulless red vine twist corporate towers this is a trash building in person tbh also megachurches are a sign of the apocalypse and the death of america
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this one is creepy too but its a little too dystopian rpg to take seriously
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donald trump: art criminal quote:To build his skyscraper, Trump first had to knock down the Bonwit Teller building, a luxurious limestone building erected in 1929. The face of the building featured two huge Art Deco friezes that the Metropolitan Museum of Art wanted to preserve. The museum asked Trump to save the sculptures and donate them, and the mogul agreed—as long as the cost of doing so wasn't too high. Karl Barks posted:he's basically the death of art. gently caress that guy so much. baffler editor amber a'lee frost had a great piece on the culturelessness of the new aristocracy: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/03/the-declining-taste-of-the-global-super-rich btw drat i love this  
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exmarx posted:baffler editor amber a'lee frost had a great piece on the culturelessness of the new aristocracy: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/03/the-declining-taste-of-the-global-super-rich I agree with that, but what I don't understand is why Koons art can't be appreciated as a memento of that superficiality and decadence. What options do you have, if you want to portray a lack of self-awareness and a readiness to sell out. Except lacking self-awareness and selling out. But whatevs, I'll put some whipped cream on my head, and get breakfast.
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