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mike12345 posted:I agree with that, but what I don't understand is why Koons art can't be appreciated as a memento of that superficiality and decadence. What options do you have, if you want to portray a lack of self-awareness and a readiness to sell out. Except lacking self-awareness and selling out. But whatevs, I'll put some whipped cream on my head, and get breakfast. it will be, in the same way the gates at auschwitz are 'appreciated' as a memento of the holocaust  koons reflects his surroundings sure, but he makes no comment on them — i don't think you can really be a good artist if you refuse to say anything. he's also a piece of poo poo, lol:  http://artfcity.com/2016/07/18/jeff-koons-lays-off-workers-amidst-reports-of-impropriety/
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probalby the worst thing about hamilton is that they clearly have no sense of rudeness. I could forgive everything else if they knew how to be rude
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not that hamilton is art, but then again neither is jeff koons...
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The value of Jeff Koons's art is that it will show the masses not to dread the guillotine.
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Basquiat / Warhol Warsquiat
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Art during the Obama years has been pretty good.       
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We're riding this wave of conspiracy theories into the White House so this will be the only Art. Next special guest: The cook for Podesta's Spirit Cooking dinner.
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zen death robot posted:
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Sucks that we aren't even going to get something cool like futurist art despite getting a Mussolini.     
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you can find some kinda analogs to futurism if you look i think, but i dont know much about it
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Yeah, its imitations are quite popular with the crowd that thinks Elon Musk is going to save the world and they will probably eventually hitch their wagon to neo-fascism so perhaps history will truly repeat itself.
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right right i dont just mean imitators, like, i mean people who vibe with that whole (kinda creepy) philosophy but make aesthetically different stuff i guess
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Hope you're ready for lots of lovely 'protest' music.
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Nov 21, 2016 10:56
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Green Day got this https://mobile.twitter.com/PopCravePolls/status/800560933735112708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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blackmet posted:1) Shoulder pads will come back, as women, feeling somewhat more fragile about their place in the workplace, decide to try to make themselves look more aggressive and masculine. Nah. Women over 40 will get reactionary and start coding hyperfeminine and taking cues from stepford wives to make themselves Maximally Pleasing to men in the office in a renewed culture of basically abusing women in the workplace. Women under 30 will start low-dosing androgens for basically the opposite reason.
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exmarx posted:it will be, in the same way the gates at auschwitz are 'appreciated' as a memento of the holocaust yeah, "gates at auschwitz" is a bit harsh, but a modern day riefenstahl or speer is probably what I'm getting at. his boat in that article makes me go puke and lol at the same time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhNVsbv7o40 Don't listen to this if you don't want to decend into a suicidal/psychotic rage
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does food count as art because i can see trump eating this
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I always return to this great quote by documentarian Leo Hurwitz, referencing life as a radical in the 30s although it feels universal: "In general there was a guerrilla war between the world of art and intellect and the world of politics and business, with the guerrillas winning the war on the battlefields of books, painting, and music, and the establishment so impervious that it did not know it was being attacked."
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hmmmm https://twitter.com/RichardPrince4/status/800818182529368068
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gone, what did it say?
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it was a lawsuit filing
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devtesla posted:Green Day got this Totally okay with this. I mean, would we prefer that our pop music artists not call the man a fascist? Does more to reach people's ears than any "high culture" poo poo ever will.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:Sucks that we aren't even going to get something cool like futurist art despite getting a Mussolini. this one is new to me and i like it but i have no idea regarding the context or anything else...it's very WW1 tho and u seem to be implying that it's Italian, so i get the impression that it has something to do with the conflict between Italy and Ethiopia around that time?
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the futurists were nuts and its not an exaggeration to say they anticipated fascism: from the manifesto 9. We will glorify war—the world’s only hygiene—militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom-bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for woman.
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that particular dude is Tullio Crali who was way interested in making aerial warfare seem really cool, so its not like he doesn't have tons and tons of successors in our world today
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nose dive on teh city yayy heroic manly aerowar
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Walter Benjamin excerpts the best part of Marinetti's manifesto:Filippo Crazypants Marinetti posted:For twenty-seven years, we Futurists have rebelled against the idea that war is anti-aesthetic...We therefore state:...War is beautiful because--thanks to its gas masks, its terrifying megaphones, its flame throwers, and light tanks--it establishes man's dominion over the subjugated machine. War is beautiful because it inaugurated the dreamed-of metallization of the human body. War is beautiful because it enriches a flowering meadow with the fiery orchids of machine-guns. War is beautiful because it combines gunfire, barrages, cease-fires, scents, and the fragrance of putrefaction into a symphony. War is beautiful because it creates new architectures, like those of armored tanks, geometric squadrons of aircraft, spirals of smoke from burning villages, and much more....Poets and artists of Futurism...remember these principles of an aesthetic of war, that they may illuminate...your struggles for a new poetry and a new sculpture! It's worth pasting the final paragraph of Benjamin's article where he delivers that Marinetti quote: Walter AURA Benjamin posted:"Fiat ars--pereat mundus," says fascism, expecting from war, as Marinetti admits, the artistic gratification of a sennse of perception altered by technology. This is evidently the consummation of l'art pour l'art. Humankind, which once, in Homer, was an object of contemplation for the Olympian gods, has now become one for itself. Its self-alienation has reached the point where it can experience its own annihilation as a supreme aesthetic pleasure. Such is the aestheticizing of politics, as practiced by fascism. Communism replies by politicizing art.
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the dems already did a 'rock against bush' type thing — prior to the election, even! http://www.30days30songs.com/ and yeah the futurists were fuckin nuts, and mega-dorks. here's the manifesto they put on the front page of le figaro  http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jenglish/English104/marinetti.html like a 1900s version of one of those dark enlightenment guys' self-important vlogs. some nice stuff tho:  
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Yeah, the Marinetti quote Benjamin pulls is like edgelord prose written with a Tyler Durden poster on the wall beside you while your mom yells at you to come to dinner. "Mega-dorks" is really accurate.
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and lol yea the futurists were such nerds quote:We stand on the last promontory of the centuries!… Why should we look back, when what we want is to break down the mysterious doors of the Impossible? Time and Space died yesterday. We already live in the absolute, because we have created eternal, omnipresent speed. Olga Gurlukovich has issued a correction as of 10:38 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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and yeah benjamin owns " Its self-alienation has reached the point where it can experience its own annihilation as a supreme aesthetic " how long until this is like the dominant theme in basically all culture
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lol. the aesthetic of fascism back then were all these paintings and the aesthetic of fascism today is loving pepe. god loving drat.
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Fidel Castronaut posted:lol. the aesthetic of fascism back then were all these paintings and the aesthetic of fascism today is loving pepe. god loving drat. i feel like pepe was this dressup doll want to make a class statement? put a fast food uniform on him and a gun in his hand. want to be white supremacist? dress him in hugo boss. like some inversion of the classic nazi "put swastikas on everything" aesthetic. put everything on the swastika instead. hang christmas lights off it
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The aesthetic now is the cheapest red hat money can buy with the cheapest white text money can buy sold for a 1000% markup.
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pfft I posted a slightly abridged futurist manifesto in the trump toxx thread back in may http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3776208&userid=138771#post460363546 quote:11. We will sing of great crowds excited by work, by pleasure, and by riot; we will sing of the multicolored, polyphonic tides of revolution in the modern capitals; we will sing of the vibrant nightly fervor of arsenals and think tanks blazing with violent electric moons; greedy incubators that devour smoke-plumed stoners; factories hung on clouds by the crooked lines of their smoke; bridges that stride the rivers like giant gymnasts, flashing in the sun with a glitter of knives; adventurous airships that sniff the horizon; privatized steel rockets who penetrate the deep of space; and the sleek flight of Trump planes whose engines murmur in the wind like hipsters and seem to cheer like an enthusiastic crowd. also I'm lazy so I just changed the last two lines
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Fidel Castronaut posted:lol. the aesthetic of fascism back then were all these paintings and the aesthetic of fascism today is loving pepe. god loving drat. Fascists today commission plenty of paintings. But they're all of Trump as the WH40k God Emperor.
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I am dead serious. If you want to understand the aesthetic and social sensibilities of the 21st century fascist, read the lore for the Imperium of Man in WH40K. Those dorks can't get enough of it.
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