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looks like the big show will be december 5th BREAKING: Army Corps Announces Eviction of Water Protectors, Corps-Managed Land to Be Emptied http://thefreethoughtproject.com/army-corps-evict-notice-standing-rock/
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Rutibex posted:looks like the big show will be december 5th I look forward to someone mashing the eventual liveleak footage to "the most wonderful time of the year"
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yup thats sounds like its gonna end well rip water protectors
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:I look forward to someone mashing the eventual liveleak footage to "the most wonderful time of the year" Hell, I'll be happy with a good Vince McMahon gif.
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last time jordan (biased) talked to the army corp they said "we have no idea what is going on our land and have no one in place to observe whether the company is the following the federal order not to drill under the lake" so maybe they turned on google alerts or something
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Free Speech Zone is a really funny term and reminds me that we live in the prologue of a lovely dystopian Young Adult Novel lol
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:Mods, please send this serious political thread to CSPAM where it belongs No way man this belongs in TCC, our local arm reduction subforum.
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Professor Shark posted:Free Speech Zone is a really funny term and reminds me that we live in the prologue of a lovely dystopian Young Adult Novel lol its so hosed up
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Yep, the future is Blade Runner, only without the uncorrupted countryside like at the end of that one version
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i think this situation has more dimensions than just "gently caress the cops, Indians are in the right". maybe it's not so black and white. there's probably something else going on. that's my hot take
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i think this situation has more dimensions than just "gently caress the cops, Indians are in the right". maybe it's not so black and white. there's probably something else going on. that's my hot take synopsis of the upcoming south park episode
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I know now that this is in cspam no one is paying attention but have you seen the D&D thread on this topic? It is amazing humor until you realize some folks are for real. I much preferred this thread. Hopefully others will too. The only nugget of info I found in 10+ pages of bitching at each other instead of discussion or humor was that some of the white people there are treating it like a festival. Using their donations, taking up space, not helping. Sounds like slactivism in real life. Who wants to bet they are the first to flee when the supply roads get blocked? Also the faa has suppsedly instituted a no fly zone there (?)
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Living in a Shadowrun future where the native Americans don't get access to powerful magics is very bleak.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i think this situation has more dimensions than just "gently caress the cops, Indians are in the right". maybe it's not so black and white. there's probably something else going on. that's my hot take i mean it's literally the natives' land and they're getting a huge rear end pipe built through it without their consent so it seems pretty black and white in this case
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Yinlock posted:i mean it's literally the natives' land and they're getting a huge rear end pipe built through it without their consent so yeah I dunno I mean I don't claim to have the whole picture but it seems that all of the land has been bought from private landowners
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The Protagonist posted:hmm yes, if they build this pipeline it might leak and poison the water, so right before they turn it on lets make sure it leaks catastrophically multiple times "we specifically built this pipeline over your most vital water sources, for safety"
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"as an added measure of respect, we have engraved racial slurs every six feet"
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Yinlock posted:"we specifically built this pipeline over your most vital water sources, for safety" actually the tribe had already arranged to use a completely unrelated source of water for their utilities for 2017, even before the pipeline stuff started
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yeah didn't they basically sit on there rear end for the entire period where they could file a complaint about it?
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Agean90 posted:yeah didn't they basically sit on there rear end for the entire period where they could file a complaint about it? is this a hitchhikers guide situation "we sent you a single letter that was dropped in a ditch, you were given ample warning"
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Yinlock posted:"as an added measure of respect, we have engraved racial slurs every six feet" in fact it was a lot easier than I expected to find a credible citation for my claim as well so there you go https://www.yahoo.com/news/standing-rock-sioux-water-system-may-reduce-oil-185229942--finance.html?ref=gs
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Yinlock posted:is this a hitchhikers guide situation this cannot possibly be true as the tribe leaders managed to file several appeals as far as I'm aware
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:in fact it was a lot easier than I expected to find a credible citation for my claim as well so there you go i'm glad they have a way around the pipeline's inevitable catastrophic failure but id still prefer it if there wasn't a huge rear end pipe being built through their land by captain planet villians
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There is certainly the possibility that the water will never be contaminated, but the federal government using its clout to protect oil companies over native residents on their own land sets a bad precedent.
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Yinlock posted:i'm glad they have a way around the pipeline's inevitable catastrophic failure but id still prefer it if there wasn't a huge rear end pipe being built through their land by captain planet villians i personally would prefer if we stopped using fossil fuels altogether but if we have to choose the lesser evil a pipeline is the safest option for oil transport it seems Fiction posted:There is certainly the possibility that the water will never be contaminated, but the federal government using its clout to protect oil companies over native residents on their own land sets a bad precedent. it would set a much worse precedent for mr trumps presidency for Obama to issue an executive order overruling several court judgements after already having issued two in support of the tribe that were both overturned
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i personally would prefer if we stopped using fossil fuels altogether but if we have to choose the lesser evil a pipeline is the safest option for oil transport it seems The better way to stop using oil is to fine oil companies literally billions for their environmental damage. Then use the immense resources of the judicial branch to collect on those fines, investigate for negligence and imprison board members and executives for those crimes. But I guess it's easier to just do anything the oil companies want, I'm sure eventually they will get tired of making money at the expense of everything else.
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Powercrazy posted:The better way to stop using oil is to fine oil companies literally billions for their environmental damage. Then use the immense resources of the judicial branch to collect on those fines, investigate for negligence and imprison board members and executives for those crimes. hey that's not fair that guy said sorry about the gulf oil spill, then got mad about it later
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Iirc deephorizon wasn't negligence (maybe I'm wrong). The fines were pretty steep, and I don't know enough to say if they were insufficient or not. But I feel like deepwater was the exception. If it was a less visible spill they would have paid zero. Basically you shouldn't be levying fines based on catastrophic events, as the smaller regional spills cause much more damage, and could be mitigated much more effectively if the economic calculus demanded it.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:this cannot possibly be true as the tribe leaders managed to file several appeals as far as I'm aware hmmmmmm it actually seems like you do claim to have the whole picture, contrary to what you said
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Karl Barks posted:hmmmmmm it actually seems like you do claim to have the whole picture, contrary to what you said im wary of claiming that in light of the complexity of the issue but these are the facts i have read hth
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forums poster bulgogi hoagie has me convinced, corporate interests manipulating the state into using violence to advance private profits at the expense of native peoples is good and reasonable
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OMGVBFLOL posted:forums poster bulgogi hoagie has me convinced, corporate interests manipulating the state into using violence to advance private profits at the expense of native peoples is good and reasonable  also throughout history the side with the water cannons, attack dogs, tear gas, rubber bullets and grenades have always been the good guys
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i personally would prefer if we stopped using fossil fuels altogether but if we have to choose the lesser evil a pipeline is the safest option for oil transport it seems lol what the gently caress are you talking about. obama already stepped in and stoped construction and ordered the corps to do a new environmental assessement. he did that directly after the court threw out the injunction
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if you are are any side other than the protestors you should kill yourself. no matter how poorly thought out or researched your position is (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Duscat posted:
Well Batman has used all of those before so..... send in Batman
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Fiction posted:There is certainly the possibility that the water will never be contaminated, but the federal government using its clout to protect oil companies over native residents on their own land sets a bad precedent. less setting a bad precedent and more following previously established precedent
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protecting any property sets a bad precedent imo. full communism now
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