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Kingdom Death is a miniatures game by Adam Poots. It features highly detailed models with a strong body horror theme. Gameplay revolves around a settlement, and trying to keep it alive through several phases of gameplay. It was originally created through a Kickstarter in late 2012/early 2013, eventually being released in 2016. A version 1.5 was Kickstarted in late 2016. Many of the boutique figures created for the game and the world have themes of rape, and often have women specifically being victimized in an exploitative manner. Many people find this objectionable. Other people believe that the game's other elements make up for the casual use of rape. Other criticisms of the game revolve around the swingy nature of gameplay, the overreliance on random events, and the wild shifts in tone between attempts at mature darkness and juvenile humor.
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So I guess the conclusions people can draw here is that FATAL was just made in the wrong time period.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:05
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I don't have the game yet, and it won't be shipped until next year so I'll say why I'm thinking of backing it. The concept of the game is right up my alley and the presentation is fantastic. The game and its components look very high quality, and its clear there is a lot of love put into it. The customization of the survivor miniatures means that each player in my group is going to be able to have a miniature that is truly theirs. The campaign doesn't require a DM which means that all four of us will be able to play. It looks like if the game is good it will be fantastic value for money, even at the ridiculous price. Also the dung beetle knight looks amazing.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:09
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Alaois posted:So I guess the conclusions people can draw here is that FATAL was just made in the wrong time period. It could work with a better designed ruleset and the same flavor.
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Nov 29, 2016 06:12
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:It could work with a better designed ruleset and the same flavor. 
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Nov 29, 2016 06:13
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JackMann posted:Many of the boutique figures created for the game and the world have themes of rape, and often have women specifically being victimized in an exploitative manner. Many people find this objectionable. Other people believe that the game's other elements make up for the casual use of rape. not e/q
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Nov 29, 2016 06:19
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JackMann posted:Kingdom Death is a miniatures game by Adam Poots. It features highly detailed models with a strong body horror theme. Gameplay revolves around a settlement, and trying to keep it alive through several phases of gameplay. It was originally created through a Kickstarter in late 2012/early 2013, eventually being released in 2016. A version 1.5 was Kickstarted in late 2016. Just my two cents, but I ended up playing the poo poo out of this game for a few weeks with a friend of mine (it scratched my settlement building itch) and there really aren't any significant rape themes apart from the designs of two or three monsters with their human attendants. The rulebook doesn't mention the word rape, the game mechanics don't involve rape in the slightest, though they do have a single roll 'intimacy' chart as a method of producing new survivors (fuckers grow up fast) that exists because medical care is poo poo so stillbirths/chosen ones kinda happen. The only event in the entire game that would even suggest rape went out of its way to include the word consensual twice in its description, particularly for that reason. As I mentioned above, some of the miniatures are creepy. The game has a strong body horror vibe, and the sculptor likes combining 'sexy thing' A with 'Jesus loving christ kill it with fire' thing b. You can certainly be grossed out by the art, but there is plenty of art that weirds me the gently caress out all over the world, so singling it out for this is a bit much. Likewise it has a bit of an exploitation problem with women, but that isn't really anything new to board games in specific or nerd culture in general, and to its credit the game does at least shove a lot of handsome shirtless men at you at the same time as it shoves a lot of busty half dressed women. Really the second bolded quote is a much better take on the game than the first. The core gameplay in KDM is kind of poo poo. Combat is lethal as hell in the early game, and there really isn't much you can do to mitigate it other than pray and/or abuse the poo poo out of the rules. As you advance combat becomes easier and easier, swinging so hard in the other direction that you are more or less invincible until you run into the next creature of the week that instantly obliterates your party with no chance at survival. I'd say 95% of my success in the game involved taking the dice out of the game's hand by abusing movement rules. Worse yet, and what ultimately put me off the game, was the lovely random events. Every time you come back to the settlement you draw a random event. A lot of these will have you roll a d10 with zero modifiers. 1-4 get hosed and die. 5-7 nothing happens. 8-10 hey cool you get this awesome bonus! Or this pointless and meaningless bonus. Who knows. Some of them are so lovely that you ought to just remove them from the game before you start. Murder, for example, has one of your characters murder another when you get back to the settlement. Then the murderer also gets murdered. Hope you weren't relying on the endeavors they were going to give you, or they weren't super important characters for you. What's that, you crit the phoenix in combat on a specific card? Roll 1d10, if you roll lovely you start the entire campaign (not the session, the goddamn campaign) over again. And yeah, the grimdark is nonsense. For those who give even the slightest poo poo don't read since this is the ending You spend the whole game building up to fight the watcher who is coming to kill you all. You fight the watcher and kill it. This causes all the lanterns in your pile to burst and every monster in the world comes and murder you. Keep fighting monsters until all your survivors die. The end. The ending of their narrative game is "You were always hosed, rocks fall, everyone dies." Which... is kind of horseshit. quote:So I guess the conclusions people can draw here is that FATAL was just made in the wrong time period. It isn't FATAL, not even close. It has some lovely and exploitive miniatures, but it isn't even on the same level of existence as a game that had rules for anal circumference and endorsed rape. That isn't to say it is a good game, it isn't, but it has enough flaws to poke without having to make poo poo up.
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Nov 29, 2016 07:23
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The top tier pledge for the game is $1666 and has a projected delivery date of 2020. This is for one board game and its expansions.
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Nov 29, 2016 09:13
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The game has three phases, settlement, hunt, and fight: Settlement phase is okay, though is a bit lacking. You make a couple decisions on what to spend your resources on but many of the random events exist just to kill off experienced survivors. Could have been done much better as the scale of the game is somewhat odd. Hunt phase is bullshit random and exists to either make the next fight impossible or in some cases trivial. You can literally just skip this because of how non-interactive it is. Technically sometimes you get to choose if you want to roll on a table or not, but it isn't a choice because you don't want to as losing survival before a fight is the worse thing that can happen (apart from the save-or-die rolls). I like the fighting in broad strokes. The card based gameplay for AI and hit location are neat. That said some of the wording could have been cleaned up on the AI cards, as they aren't the easiest things in the world to parse sometimes. You get materials from beasts that lets you build items that can manipulate the AI deck or moods of the monster. The fact that you can cut off a monsters tail and it is reflected in certain cards is neat. The hit location deck though... the trap cards ruin it and restrict how you build your character. Why do multiple weaker hits when you can do single heavy hits that are safer? This kills the game. The minis FOR THE GAME are neat, though full of assholes and genitals. It doesn't suffer from "female armor" too much, though there are armor kits with exceptions. Easy enough to put together though a bit fiddly. Think Malifaux and you aren't too far off. The random tone of the game, the swingy mechanics that are based on luck, the artwork in the rulebooks that are horrible, casually rapey... bad things. If this game fixed the issues above and was reskinned as Bloodborne it would be goddamn game of the year. Otherwise it is just an overpriced game that people will defend because they spent a lot of money on it. quote:Just my two cents, but I ended up playing the poo poo out of this game for a few weeks with a friend of mine (it scratched my settlement building itch) and there really aren't any significant rape themes apart from the designs of two or three monsters with their human attendants. Don't get the Slender Man expansion unless you want to see a woman getting violated so hard by tentacles that her tits pop out of her bra that is made out of belts for some reason. Also, you cannot tell me that the image used in the main rulebook for farming/harvesting/whatever doesn't have the same sort of connotations. But for the most part you are right. On certain levels it is being overplayed. LordAba fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 14:41
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LordAba posted:The game has three phases, settlement, hunt, and fight: Christ, I forgot about trap cards. Such a lovely mechanic. To explain to people who haven't played, the (hit location?) deck has a number of cards Thst get recycled over time. If you stab the monster you might hit it in the eye and if you roll high enough you do damage, if you miss it glares at you causing you to go crazy and if you crit you cut it's mother loving eye out. This is a pretty cool mechanic. You draw a hit location for each blow that hits, then roll to damage similar to something like 40k Except that in each deck there is a card called the trap card. When it triggers it immediately cancels all of your hits and then the monster kicks your party in the teeth. This means that not only do characters with multiple attacks have a chance of severely damaging the party, but they lose all their attacks as well. Which is dumb as poo poo. There are small ways to mitigate the trap cards, spears to provoke it and give you a 50/50 chance to cancel it, and an eye ability that let's you look at a few cards to prepare for it, but really you are at the mercy of the deck. If you shuffle badly you can get the trap card several times in a row and just decimate your party without the ability to do any damage at all, which is loving nonsense. The hunt phase... Just gently caress the hunt phase. Most pointless bullshit with the occasional 'your experienced survivor is maimed for some reason.' fun. And yeah I didn't see the slenderman thing. I don't recall the gathering one either so I might be wrong there. I won't for a moment pretend the game doesn't have lovely, troubling imagery at time, it just isn't a fatal and friends rapeathon.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:24
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I don't mind the art having sexy bits in em but holey hell the game mechanics sound tedious and bad.This is en route to be more succesful than exploding kitttens.
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Nov 29, 2016 18:53
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For context, How successful was exploding kittens?
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Nov 29, 2016 21:31
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Veyrall posted:For context, How successful was exploding kittens? EK raised about 4 times as much as star citizen in its kickstarter campaign.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:36
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discount cathouse posted:EK raised about 4 times as much as star citizen in its kickstarter campaign. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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Nov 29, 2016 23:52
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poo poo, I'm watching a playthrough on youtube, and a trap card came up, and it really is the stupidest mechanic. Like, wow, just awful.
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Nov 30, 2016 04:52
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Veyrall posted:poo poo, I'm watching a playthrough on youtube, and a trap card came up, and it really is the stupidest mechanic. It really is. If it were on one specific monster I might be okay with it, or if it didn't negate every single attack that round on top of stomping your teeth in, but gently caress that stupid unfun mechanic and the horse with fifteen tits I presume it rode in on.
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Nov 30, 2016 07:25
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Someone should post some of the minis (good and mostly bad) so everyone can get a taste of what's talked about by titty minis in this game
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Dec 1, 2016 21:24
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Xelkelvos posted:Someone should post some of the minis (good and mostly bad) so everyone can get a taste of what's talked about by titty minis in this game check out this tentacle rape mini  
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Dec 1, 2016 21:29
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Tits! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster-15/posts/1752444 The armor is cool and the beast is neat, and the naked lady is naked. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster-15/posts/1753379 Children whipping cancer pigeons?
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Dec 2, 2016 01:12
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Here's a sampler          
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Dec 2, 2016 01:46
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The flower knight and dung beetle knight and the goat made of hands and poo poo all look great and then there's just... Everything else. It's such a waste.
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Dec 2, 2016 02:00
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Of those shown, the 2nd, 3rd, 10th and 11th images are of the pinups and so not the models in the game or the expansions.
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Dec 2, 2016 02:16
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mango sentinel posted:Here's a sampler Like the model in the middle? WELL TOO loving BAD. I wonder how many expansions he will cancel in the new kickstarter. My guess is two.
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Dec 2, 2016 03:39
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Don't forget about the Ammo Slave (I'm not gonna link to images directly because if your boss sees you looking at that at work there's a good chance you'll get fired, so don't). Naturally it's sold out.
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Dec 2, 2016 04:00
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Whelp. You've pretty much talked me out of backing the game. I liked the idea of the settlement building between adventures, but the combat sounds awful and is probably where a majority of the gameplay lies. Plus I imagine it's difficult to convince people to play tentacle rape the miniatures combat game.
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Dec 2, 2016 15:08
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the lion, with the dick tail, and the dick mouth tentacle
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Dec 2, 2016 18:59
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no ring 2/5
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Dec 2, 2016 20:03
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I don't think my painting skills would be up to snuff with all these resin figures, I need a cheaper entry level set of tit-minis.
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Dec 2, 2016 21:48
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DOWN JACKET FETISH posted:the lion, with the dick tail, and the dick mouth tentacle coming out of a face-vagina
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Dec 2, 2016 21:53
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~body horror~
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Dec 2, 2016 23:15
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Weirdo posted:I don't think my painting skills would be up to snuff with all these resin figures, I need a cheaper entry level set of tit-minis. I think the point of the first Kickstarter was to start using plastic and afaik they mostly are now. Malifaux is a slightly cheaper starting point for practicing your boob shading.
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Dec 3, 2016 02:53
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Admiral Crackbar posted:Whelp. The settlement building is a bit eh. It is "spend resources, get shop" or "spend resources, get innovation" that leads to other shops or innovations. The choice for shops is pretty minor too, obviously at the start of the game you are going to build the "cat armor" shop to buy "cat armor" because you hunt "cats". The choice there is what to spend your resources on, but you never feel like you are building a settlement except for the innovation cards. Innovations cards are a neat idea, but there needed to be a bit more informed planning behind it from the get-go. A lot of people are really into the "mystery" aspect of the game, but that just means you are going to flounder for HOURS before realizing that storing your pee in jars would have helped you against the random acid rain event. It does look like like they are going to make the hunt phase better. Which is good, but I have a feeling it won't be enough. Going through the effort of building gathering materials for that 1% chance that you might trigger the gathering event for the chance to roll a die that might just kill your character is baddumb. EDIT: Oh, and how do you get new survivors that you can throw in the fray? Well, other than very specific and rare special events you have to beat a monster and randomly draw some "love juice" and use it to make a single kid. Unless childbirth kills the kid... or the mom... or the dad gets crazy and just wanders off. Or all three. LordAba fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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Dec 3, 2016 03:43
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LordAba posted:
Not that rare as a) certain stats help make the event happen more often. b) characters can gain the matchmaker ability. The gathering events are cards that you get to place anywhere on the hunt track. It is not randomised where. It is up to you at which point you trigger it if you have the right item with you.
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Dec 3, 2016 04:35
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To anyone who wants a game where you add things to other things in permanent fashion and fight monsters, while it doesn't possess elaborately sculpted dicklions and ammo slaves for your tactile delight, Gloomhaven is supposed to be coming out sometime in January 2017 and is basically an enormous dungeon crawler with a layer of Legacy-style perma-elements over the top. I'm not sure if it has extensive "settlement building" per se though I believe players are supposed to have some permanent influence over the titular city of Gloomhaven which serves as the hub for all the various quests and delves and whatever. You can still pre-order copies for $99 if you feel like taking a gamble, which let's be honest here, if you were willing to drop money on Kingdom Death you're clearly okay taking some risks, and so far as I know Gloomhaven contains no severed lady torsos impaled on weird angler spiders or pulsating mounds of tentacle rape tits so you could play it with your younger siblings or maybe your parents.
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Dec 3, 2016 04:40
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If people were looking for some better videos of the gameplay, I worked with Beasts of War to make a Let's Play series. This will be an ongoing campaign. So there will be videos 4 and 5 out on the next two Fridays, and then more will be recorded next year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncW3pZFA_nM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gF6v61pxAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4JM7fD_mPM
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Dec 3, 2016 20:58
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Kai Tave posted:so far as I know Gloomhaven contains no severed lady torsos impaled on weird angler spiders or pulsating mounds of tentacle rape tits so you're saying there's a chance
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Dec 3, 2016 22:45
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dr_ether posted:If people were looking for some better videos of the gameplay, I worked with Beasts of War to make a Let's Play series. They lucked the gently caress out on that antelope.
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Dec 3, 2016 23:38
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dr_ether posted:If people were looking for some better videos of the gameplay, I worked with Beasts of War to make a Let's Play series. I can't stand watching those idiots play anything. Warren just spouts retarded, incorrect poo poo the whole time and constantly bullies the other two idiots, who just let him walk all over them even when they're right about something. I like the idea of what they're trying to do, its just a shame it's not done by people who actually have some charisma. Admiral Crackbar fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Dec 4, 2016 01:17
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DOWN JACKET FETISH posted:so you're saying there's a chance Like all Legacy style games there are sealed packets and envelopes. They could contain anything! Probably not that sort of stuff but hey, you never know, so if you are into severed lady torsos you might as well give it a try. Worst that can happen is you wind up with what will almost certainly be a better game.
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Latest video is up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRS8q2G1j7s
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