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Owlofcreamcheese posted:We are going to have computers that can do literally every single possible task a human does fortunately that means a computer wont have to gently caress you either
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ElCondemn posted:You don't even have any information about the situation, you're just fear mongering. I mean we have the information necessary, that there was a human safety driver. We also can reasonably assume that being a glorified passenger and back up driver does not require you to pay as much attention to your surroundings as actively operating a vehicle does. You're hust mad people are saying bad words about Uber
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Mar 20, 2018 01:52
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Neither did the human. You can post some conspiracy theory that he was taking a nap or playing a gameboy or something instead of doing his job but with the information we have now neither the computer nor the person paid to watch the road for this stuff made any reaction. It's not a conspiracy theory to think that they weren't paying attention in the same way they would have been if they were actively driving, dipshit. Nobody is saying they were doing anything they weren't supposed to, just that sitting mostly passively isn't conducive to having lightning reflexes when something actually happens
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Mar 20, 2018 14:38
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Also "the person didn't do anything either" is not an absolution of your precious robocar fuckwit
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Mar 20, 2018 14:39
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:If the woman stepped out in a way that required lightning reflexes to avoid that is a very different story than if the car austin powers steamrollered her because self driving cars were fake all along and this finally exposes it. Yes because it's far more likely that she was trying to put herself under the wheels and stepped in front of a car doing forty that was close enough that they wouldn't have time to even apply brakes You realize "like a flash" is a colloquial term that just means "I didn't realize it was about to happen until it was happening" and not "actually it was physically impossible for anyone including a computer to respond in time" right It does literally nothing to disprove what I said
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Mar 20, 2018 14:46
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Oocc would rather blame a dead person than admit that technology isn't a force of pure good and light
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Mar 20, 2018 14:46
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Tei posted:Technology saves many lives, thats a fact. Most of us will not even exist if not where to technology. Self driving cars on the other hand are clearly not saving lives
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Mar 20, 2018 15:06
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:There was a person at the wheel too! you are blaming a human either way! I don't understand why you would blame the safety driver over a dead lady shrieks oocc Also I'm not blaming the safety driver, I'm blaming automated cars and noting that "safety drivers" are not as effective as ordinary drivers thanks to the passivity of the role, hth
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Mar 20, 2018 15:13
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Besmirching the good name of a living man that sat in the driver's seat while the car killed someone and just assuming he was negligent at his job or stupid or beguiled by a machine witch or something before any investigation is done to see if the accident was even avoidable to begin with. I would not expect a passenger to be able to yank the wheel in time to avert an accident, I'm not blaming the safety driver at all, stop ignoring me saying that to claim people are blaming him
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Mar 20, 2018 16:13
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Me: the inherent passivity of being a safety driver instead of being actively engaged in driving and paying attention to the road combined with the time necessary to switch to manual mode makes safety drivers not really a great failsafe Oocc: how dare you say he masturbated while the car ran her over
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Mar 20, 2018 16:15
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:You: the driver in the car is very inconvenient to my narrative so I need to remove him via some weird handwavy claim that the accident happened in a time scale where the car should have reacted but didn't but a driver in the car couldn't possibly react but then a driver in a non self driving car definitely could have reacted. How is reaction time for something you're passively vs actively engaged in a handwave oocc, and why do you keep strawmanning people as blaming the human in the car
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Mar 20, 2018 16:53
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think people aren't blaming the driver, because they know that it was likely an unavoidable accident (or a negligent test driver) and are trying to cook up some extra contrived situation where you can't blame the driver in the car but can still blame the car. So they have to be sure that the accident took place in the ultra thin number of milliseconds where a non-negligent but not engaged test driver could not have stopped things and can not be blamed but that if a real driver was in the car he would have saved the day. You're an absolute loving moron
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Mar 20, 2018 17:03
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Tei posted:Less traffic accidents will save lives. Many. Agreed, its good that we finally found a way to get people who can't drive to the hospital, which we've been struggling with for years
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Mar 20, 2018 18:45
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:In lots of states the ambulance driver is an EMT who has to spend half the ride just driving instead of providing medical care. That would be pretty nice to free up. I mean there's usually more than one for that exact reason
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Mar 20, 2018 18:56
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Tei posted:Dear Benghazi2. Ah yes the insensitivity of pointing out that a thing already exists and that self driving cars doesn't actually fix the problem with that thing and instead creates new ones how dare i
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Mar 20, 2018 18:57
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:In lots of states the ambulance driver is an EMT who has to spend half the ride just driving instead of providing medical care. That would be pretty nice to free up. Who's providing medical care in your robot car, oocc
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Mar 20, 2018 18:59
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Teal posted:I'm trying to figure out what kind of reaction would getting BENGHAZI 2 and Owlofcreamcheese to touch lead to, so far the model predicts a high volume of angry energy and two shitpostrinos Him getting swirlied
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Mar 20, 2018 20:22
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ElCondemn posted:I would love to eliminate bad drivers, EMTs who are actively disrupting normal traffic seem like a great candidate for automation. It's weird how neither of you can get your heads around there being a difference between passive and active engagement and a corresponding response time without it being a conspiracy theory or some insane strawman poo poo that nobody has said, instead of engaging with what they're actually saying, and also not making a million excuses for why it's not bad that someone was hit by a robocar
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Mar 21, 2018 02:03
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Also holy poo poo how do you have EMTs without disrupting normal traffic, even in an ideal world with robot cars they would have to give driving priority to the big truck going wee woo
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Mar 21, 2018 02:05
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The conspiracy theory is your certainty that you are somehow sure that this is a case where that thin difference between active and inactive engagement is what lead to the death because you can't have it be that the time was so short that no one could have done anything regardless but you can't have it be so long that someone was being negligent at their job. So you have to believe the accident happened in the exact 100 ms where the driver isn't at fault but could have stopped it if he had been active driving. You don't know what a conspiracy theory is, which is unsurprising because you're just dumb as poo poo.
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Mar 21, 2018 03:10
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I get told all the time "your anecdote means nothing, the numbers are the numbers" on this very forum, and that's what this single data point is: an anecdote. Now, if this sort of thing continues to happen, and at a verifiably higher rate than the Average Human DriverTM? Then, yes, that's cause for concern and debate, but at the moment, using this one very tragic but statistically irrelevant event to declare "SELF-DRIVING VEHICLES ARE NOT AND NEVER BE VIABLE WE SHOULD END ALL SUCH RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY IN LIGHT OF THIS TRAGEDY" strikes me as chicken little-y and kind of disingenuous. Do you also handwave those away as being totally unavoidable and actually not a problem with shuttle design
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Mar 21, 2018 03:11
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, he said his dad did the most evil crime imaginable while sobbing, he could mean tax evasion or something but there is a pretty short list of crimes that people typically call "the most evil crimes imaginable" or that make people cry to think about. I mean maybe he ordered a bunch of striking workers to be shot, doesn't have to be him doing the rapes Funny that you can screech about other people having conspiracy theories tho
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Mar 21, 2018 21:12
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yes, when elon musk said "Almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done." and started crying I am sure he was talking about strikebreaking. Mass murder is pretty bad but you're right we all know he doesn't give a poo poo about workers rights
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Mar 22, 2018 00:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, if it was someone other than elon musk that said " Almost every crime you can possibly think of, he has done. Almost every evil thing you could possibly think of, he has done. It's so terrible, you can't believe it,"" while publically crying what crimes would you assume they are talking about? Your awful posting
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Mar 22, 2018 00:49
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Taffer posted:Stop making stupid assumptions and acting like they are fact. This is why everyone called you a bad poster. The only thing that article tells us is that Musk thinks his dad is a bad person and a criminal. Nothing more. I mean I think he's a bad poster because of his blind worship of technology too
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Mar 22, 2018 01:37
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Hey look it's footage of the crash https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/976587029390663680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F Turns out it was traveling at an unsafe speed, should have detected her, and a more alert driver would probably have been able to at least hit the brakes, which the car didn't Fuckin wild almost like oocc is just jacking off
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Mar 22, 2018 01:49
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Looking at that exterior video, I can't say I wouldn't have hit her either, even being fully alert. Could just be the video making the outside look darker than human perception would have been, though. It's this, cameras are poo poo at perceiving things in low slash inconsistent light, people are surprisingly better at it
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Mar 22, 2018 02:01
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Also, the car uses LIDAR which operates independently of the headlights
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Mar 22, 2018 02:01
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I can't wait for oocc, having been proven wrong, to never talk about this again
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Mar 22, 2018 02:03
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I'll say it, I would not have hit that lady
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Mar 22, 2018 02:06
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Just like I am sure you will never talk about the Chief of Police's statement: Yeah that's bullshit given the actual footage but good on you not addressing that
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Mar 22, 2018 02:19
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:this conspiracy goes right to the chief of police! Do you have anything to say about the footage or are you just going to scream about everyone else constructing conspiracy theories a page after you said Elon musk was raped by his father
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Mar 22, 2018 02:50
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Also, he's not wrong, uber won't be at fault Doesn't mean they aren't responsible for it, they're just not going to face any consequences whatsoever
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Mar 22, 2018 02:50
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Wow you mean someone who isn't actively driving isn't paying as close of attention to the road as a driver would be? No poo poo? Goddamn
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Mar 22, 2018 03:18
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:What do you know that the chief of police doesn’t? So just to confirm, you're not going to talk about the footage at all, because someone said that Uber wasn't at fault and we all know the police are never wrong about that
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Mar 22, 2018 03:21
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"the lady probably ran out in the road right in front of the car" *Footage gets posted that directly contradicts this* "Wow you guys and your conspiracy theories"
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Mar 22, 2018 03:26
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Are you going to watch 9/11 footage too and try to point out all the ways your interpretation beats the official government lies? Are you serious right now
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“We don’t need redundant brakes & steering, or a fancy new car, we need better software,” then-Google engineer Anthony Levandowski wrote in an email to Larry Page in January 2016. “To get to that better software faster we should deploy the first 1000 cars asap. I don’t understand why we are not doing that. Part of our team seems to be afraid to ship.” Shortly thereafter, Levandowski would leave to found his own self-driving trucking company, which was quickly acquired by Uber. ... New York Magazine once attributed Levandowski as saying, “I’m pissed we didn’t have the first death,” to a group of Uber engineers after a driver died in a Tesla on autopilot in 2016. (Levandowski has denied ever saying it). But saying that it might be ubers fault is a conspiracy theory
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Mar 22, 2018 03:34
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like you are the first guy on the internet that watched a video and knew better than the officials. Tell me about how the dust in the moon landing isn't what you expect so anyone with eyes can see it was made on a soundstage or whatever. Oocc have you ever been critical of technology once in your idiot life
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Oocc remember when you were posting about how clearly there was no way the driver was distracted and to imply otherwise was a conspiracy theory, because you don't know what that means, and then whoops turns out
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