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owl_pellet
Nov 20, 2005

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I am interested in this topic because of the possible implications it has for creating more robust social security systems such as basic income or a social dividend, or to a somewhat lesser extent minimum income. What are the chances that something like this 1) gets implemented at all and 2) is implemented in a fairly reasonable period of time (I'm tempted to say 10 years here but "reasonable" for something that massive is probably more like 20)?

My thoughts and beliefs on income inequality, what it means to be employed, the importance of work vs. family, job insecurity, etc. have led me to have a strong desire for one of these systems to be in place. Preferably sooner rather than later or, you know, not at all.

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owl_pellet
Nov 20, 2005

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SaTaMaS posted:

I get pretty scared when people start saying things like "If things get bad enough, they'll HAVE to implent UBI". Not that you're saying that, but a lot of people seem to be. Here's one alternative - mass unemployment leads to social unrest, which leads to nationalism, which leads to war, which leads to lots of people getting killed off who would have otherwise been unemployed. Sound familiar?

Yes absolutely. Obviously the country coming together in a mass unemployment scenario and saying "gee, it seems like our economy is fundamentally changing, we oughta rethink how we feel about work and income" is probably one of the best outcomes from a bad situation that anyone can hope for, while there are a multitude of other outcomes that are not great to say the least. However, given that there are so many possible outcomes, I was asking what people thought the chances were that something like basic income or a social dividend would end up getting implemented as a result of automation.

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