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Spectre keeps breaking the cardinal rule of action movies by having action sequences where nothing of interest or consequence happens. The entire car chase through a bizarrely empty Rome is a case in point: Bond is in exactly the same position at the end as at the beginning in story terms (he got away from the Spectre meeting), except that he's now destroyed an incredibly expensive spy car for no reason. So why did we need that scene again? There's no sense of threat or tension, nothing at stake; Bond couldn't give a poo poo that someone's trying to kill him. Same with the sequence where he ambles through Blofeld's secret base disinterestedly one-shotting goons as if he's used an invincibility cheat. It's not cool, it's just dull. As for the contortions the writers have to go through to justify the whole "Bond's previously-unmentioned foster brother was actually the mastermind behind everything that happened in the previous three movies and did it all to gently caress with him personally!" revelation... it's utter horseshit. The whole thing is a joyless, boring pile of shite where everyone involved is half-assedly going through the motions for the money. In some ways it's actually worse than Diamonds Are Forever in that respect because at least DAF didn't vanish up its own arse into a black hole of pretension.
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Payndz posted:As for the contortions the writers have to go through to justify the whole "Bond's previously-unmentioned foster brother was actually the mastermind behind everything that happened in the previous three movies and did it all to gently caress with him personally!" revelation... it's utter horseshit. The whole thing is a joyless, boring pile of shite where everyone involved is half-assedly going through the motions for the money. This was by far the worst part of the movie for me. I had heard the "i am the architect of all your pain" line from the ads and hoped that was going to mean something different or perhaps limited in scope, but no, they went there. It felt like it came from someone who put his foot down on these Craig movies all needing to tie together because serial fiction is the only way things can be done these days with superhero movie continuity and season-long TV arcs.
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Dec 8, 2016 21:55
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Maybe I'm just fansplaining here, but I always took that "author of all your pain" stuff to be interpreted as Bloefeldt aggrandizing, taking credit for a bunch of loosely connected stuff he was only partly involved in. He's an egotistical little twerp and control freak that wants badly for everyone to believe he's practically omnipotent.
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Dec 8, 2016 22:07
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Maybe I'm just fansplaining here, but I always took that "author of all your pain" stuff to be interpreted as Bloefeldt aggrandizing, taking credit for a bunch of loosely connected stuff he was only partly involved in. He's an egotistical little twerp and control freak that wants badly for everyone to believe he's practically omnipotent. I honestly don't remember Spectre well enough to agree/disagree with you but part of it was the filmmakers needing Blofeld to be built up. Donald Pleasance's Blofeld, along with the original S.P.E.C.T.R.E., looms large over the Craig movies' Quantum/Spectre and so without having the luxury to build up the new Spectre/Blofeld over a few more movies like with Connery they had to have a big wow moment in this film. And a twist like that was decided on it seems but missed the mark.
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Dec 8, 2016 22:16
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I'm probably the only person on earth who likes Spectre the best of the Craig films (I love em all cept Solace tho). I honestly think not only is it a perfect ending for Craig's series, but if by some impossible reason it's the final Bond film full stop it's a VERY satisfying way to end it. Bond is happy and finds someone as broken as him and they can heal together happily  EDIT: Blofeld was meant to be menacing in that scene, but as it moves further the film shows how he's a pathetic loser who focused his entire life, ended countless lives, ruined people and cause all this misery because "DADDY WUVED THIS OTHER GUY MORE THAN ME!". He's scary, but he's also a worthless person who lived only for the most idiotic and pathetic idea of revenge. The ending is perfect because Bond beats him in the best way: by living well. He moves on with his life with a true love while Blofeld is left with nothing but his idiotic shell of a life. OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Dec 8, 2016 22:22
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Maybe I'm just fansplaining here, but I always took that "author of all your pain" stuff to be interpreted as Bloefeldt aggrandizing, taking credit for a bunch of loosely connected stuff he was only partly involved in. He's an egotistical little twerp and control freak that wants badly for everyone to believe he's practically omnipotent. Nah cause there's that megadumb scene at the ski lodge where Q puts that octopus ring on his magic laptop device and it pulls up the DNA of all the characters from the other Craig movies (or something equally stupid, that part was hard to follow since they didn't actually bother to explain what technomagic you're supposed to be watching), thereby proving that Blofeld and his dumb octopus organization were somehow involved in everything else. And since he's Chief Bozo of the octopus, as proven by the dumb scene in Rome where he's the chairman of the board and everyone is scared of him, he's the guy who decided to gently caress with Bond... somehow. I get the urge to justify it, but it's pretty clear the filmmakers wanted Blofeld to be seen as the actual guy responsible for everything else.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:05
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As much as I love Spectre I will fully admit that that scene is dumb as gently caress. They could have easily made it clear that SPECTRE was the brains behind all of the previous plots, but the way the film did it was incredibly clumsy.
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Dec 9, 2016 00:34
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Ugh Blofield as jealous foster brother to Bond? Lame. Did they go full stupid and have Blofield secretly cause the climbing accident that killed Bond's parents too since I guess Spectre was mostly about personal and petty revenge on Blofield's part? To be honest, as much as I love goofy as poo poo spy movies, I don't think Daniel Craig is quite the right guy to pull one off especially since they set up the last three he was in as super serious full of themselves dramas. I'd be better off watching a Derek Flint movie or almost any other 60s eurospy trash, parody or not. And I agree that Moonraker the book would be great if they took that one and put it on film mostly straight. The villain's motivation would still have to be rewritten a bit though.
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Dec 10, 2016 02:11
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Nobody Does It Better is definitely the best Bond theme song
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Dec 10, 2016 02:16
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Lumpy the Cook posted:Nobody Does It Better is definitely the best Bond theme song And best opening titles too.
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Dec 10, 2016 02:52
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The Bond movie where the dude has a yoyo and killed people from buildings was the best. I think anyway, I'm not sure if I dreamed that one.
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bitterandtwisted posted:It's the least like a Moore Bond film, and that's why I like it. It has very little wackiness, few (any?) gadgets, a fairly grounded plot and Moore straight up murders a guy by kicking his car off a cliff and doesn't even make a funny quip about it. I was really impressed with FYEO when I first saw it, being sort of sour on Moore myself. It's a really good Bond film, Carole Bouquet has a wicked hot stare, and there's even a mountain assault scene. I'd agree that it's the best Moore bond film, if not the most iconic which is The Spy Who Loved Me. Nobody Does It Better can't really be beaten in terms of themesongs. BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I was really impressed with FYEO when I first saw it, being sort of sour on Moore myself. It's a really good Bond film, Carole Bouquet has a wicked hot stare, and there's even a mountain assault scene. I'd agree that it's the best Moore bond film, if not the most iconic which is The Spy Who Loved Me. Nobody Does It Better can't really be beaten in terms of themesongs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVasnOcPm9c
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Payndz posted:As for the contortions the writers have to go through to justify the whole "Bond's previously-unmentioned foster brother was actually the mastermind behind everything that happened in the previous three movies and did it all to gently caress with him personally!" revelation... it's utter horseshit.
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Dec 12, 2016 16:06
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CrashCat posted:I felt guilty when that came up, like I was supposed to have paid more attention in the previous films and didn't. I probably should have considered that it may be just poorly told. I felt absolutely terrible about taking my elderly grandfather to see Spectre, because I didn't realize how critical seeing the previous Craig Bonds would be to the story, and he walked out of the movie totally confused. They've been sending mixed messages since Quantum of Solace, you can never tell if the next movie is going to be a direct sequel or just a one-off Bond story like Skyfall was.
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Dec 12, 2016 16:24
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Basebf555 posted:I felt absolutely terrible about taking my elderly grandfather to see Spectre, because I didn't realize how critical seeing the previous Craig Bonds would be to the story, and he walked out of the movie totally confused. They've been sending mixed messages since Quantum of Solace, you can never tell if the next movie is going to be a direct sequel or just a one-off Bond story like Skyfall was.
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Dec 12, 2016 16:35
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CrashCat posted:These Bond movies didn't seem to telegraph anything like that at all, and then Spectre happens and I'm all like "oh were those things important?" even despite I had actually seen the other films. They did a complete 180 with Skyfall, because Quantum of Solace was probably the most direct sequel the franchise had ever done. But it was poorly received, so Skyfall was an attempt to get back to a more traditional Bond adventure, and everyone loved it. So going into Spectre I though that was the route they were going to stay on, but for some reason they did another complete 180. It was a bizarre decision in my opinion, they could have done a perfectly entertaining Bond story centered around Spectre and Blofeld without having to connect it to the others at all.
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I think it's weird how they turned a one-movie origin story into a tetralogy origin story.
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Andorra posted:I think it's weird how they turned a one-movie origin story into a tetralogy origin story. Preferably with new writers.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:16
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Payndz posted:An origin story that's also an ending story, at that. We go from Bond-as-rookie through Bond-as-burned-out-washed-up-cynic to Bond-has-had-enough-of-this-poo poo-and-is-walking-away, and there's really nothing more that can be done with the Craig version of 007 other than have another reboot and start over. I always wondered why they suddenly felt the need to reboot the franchise/character after 40 years and do this sort of character development. Is there more to it then the Bond producers chasing after current movie trends again? (Avengers!, multiple films!, Overarching plot!)
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Turbinosamente posted:I always wondered why they suddenly felt the need to reboot the franchise/character after 40 years and do this sort of character development. Is there more to it then the Bond producers chasing after current movie trends again? (Avengers!, multiple films!, Overarching plot!) They tried a serious reboot with Lazenby, too, but it was a sour relationship even if the movie was good, so they went back to spectacle Bond.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:They tried a serious reboot with Lazenby, too, but it was a sour relationship even if the movie was good, so they went back to spectacle Bond. That wasn't a reboot though. It was just another story about James Bond that happened to star a different person than the other ones. They ground the movies immediately following the most outlandish ones, but none of them said "You know all those other Bond movies? Yeah, those don't count. Check out how Bond really gets going!" But I guess with a film like Die Another Day, that's the only way to follow it up.
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Andorra posted:That wasn't a reboot though. It was just another story about James Bond that happened to star a different person than the other ones. They ground the movies immediately following the most outlandish ones, but none of them said "You know all those other Bond movies? Yeah, those don't count. Check out how Bond really gets going!" If you say so.
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My favourite films of each Bond: Connery's - From Russia With Love Lazenby - OHMSS Moore - For Your Eyes Only Dalton - License Revoked Brosnan - Tomorrow Never Dies Craig - Skyfall And my favourite bond was Dalton, though I think OHMSS is the best bond film of all.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:09
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moonraker is the best bond
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VideoGames posted:Brosnan - Tomorrow Never Dies What. I mean I like TND a lot but that's a list with Goldeneye on it.
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nigga crab pollock posted:moonraker is the best bond Second best Moore.
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Not that I want to add to the dog pile but even when there's Living Daylights? Also where did you get a copy of that one with the original title? Also I really like that Atari avatar, video games are good!
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Yorkshire Tea posted:What. I prefer TND a lot more to Goldeneye. Little things, really. I feel Pierce is more comfortable in the role. (I would have loved to see Dalton in Goldeneye, then I am sure I'd love it way, way more.) Michelle Yeoh is great, Jonathan Pryce is way more fun than Sean Bean, the nutso self driving car sequence, the main song is my favourite Brosnan song. I do really like Goldeneye, but I actually prefer TND and The World is Not Enough More just a little bit more. Turbinosamente posted:Not that I want to add to the dog pile but even when there's Living Daylights? Also where did you get a copy of that one with the original title? Living Daylights is very, very fun. Dalton's the only Bond with multiple films with 100% success record too! License Revoked (I always call it that because when I was younger I saw promotional material for it so it stuck with me more and I was a one of those kids super into Bond) feels like the second most personal film after OHMSS. I sort of see it as a sequel and Bond getting some true closure to Tracy's passing. It really resonates with me and Dalton acts the hell out of a Bond who is still visibly broken, tortured by lost love and vengeance. It's sublime to watch him use his skills to dismantle and destroy a successful operation just because he can.
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A lotta people ranking Skyfall highly, when I thought it was really really lovely. Classic bad "villain wanted to be caught" plot-point. Bullshit callbacks to older, better movies lathered on too thick. And a complete failure to acknowledge that the villain achieved all his goals and won.
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Speleothing posted:A lotta people ranking Skyfall highly, when I thought it was really really lovely. Classic bad "villain wanted to be caught" plot-point. Bullshit callbacks to older, better movies lathered on too thick. And a complete failure to acknowledge that the villain achieved all his goals and won. It had nice cinematography but yeah, it's poo poo-tier bond, even compared to the relatively spare movie that preceded it. I think Skyfall is regarded well more for its accessibility among the masses.
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I didn't particularly like Skyfall, but I thought it was interesting in that it portrayed Bond as a man who utterly failed at every task he was assigned and was reduced to an emotionally broken husk, yet still 'won' by being alive when the series reset button got hit at the end. It's a complete inversion of the "men want to be him" ideal of 007 - who would want to be this hosed-up loser? Yet it was the most financially successful Bond film to date. Go figure.
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goldfinger sucked skyfall was beautiful but sucked quantum is in the top five bond movies and is number two if folded in with casino royale for one mega-movie (behind from russia with love)
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Homework Explainer posted:goldfinger sucked I'm with this, though I'd put OHMSS > FRWL > Casino/Quantum double feature
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You know, Brosnan had the potential to be the best Bond if he didn't come into the part at a time when they wanted to steer the series into camp territory.
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Saint Freak posted:I watched Moonraker a couple months back and apparently I had misremembered the scene with Jaws meeting his girlfriend. Like, in my mind he smiles revealing his metal teeth and she smiles revealing big braces and that's the joke; they both have mouths of metal. Except that doesn't happen because she does not have braces. holy poo poo, I'm like 110% sure that girl had braces 
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Saint Freak posted:I watched Moonraker a couple months back and apparently I had misremembered the scene with Jaws meeting his girlfriend. Like, in my mind he smiles revealing his metal teeth and she smiles revealing big braces and that's the joke; they both have mouths of metal. Except that doesn't happen because she does not have braces. I watched that a couple of years ago and remember it very clearly actually.
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I watched that a couple of years ago and remember it very clearly actually.
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Saint Freak posted:I watched Moonraker a couple months back and apparently I had misremembered the scene with Jaws meeting his girlfriend. Like, in my mind he smiles revealing his metal teeth and she smiles revealing big braces and that's the joke; they both have mouths of metal. Except that doesn't happen because she does not have braces. I remember her having braces, too. Isn't this another case of VHS copies having different master footage than what was eventually put on the DVD version?
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Nope, and C3PO always had a silver leg despite all the kids on the planet who were too distracted by R2D2's cussing to notice
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