Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Maybe Chris will play his game again.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 06:21

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 20:34

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

The idea that a developer would get the cameras running before having downloaded the client and tested that it works is just baffling, biggest moment in a while, at least for me

Why? They've repeatedly done live events with builds they were downloading while people were waiting outside. They even did a mini-documentary on how incompetent they were for CitCon this year.

The only thing that would surprise me at this point is if CIG did something right.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 13:09

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

AP posted:

I don't feel bad for the devs anymore, that guy joined CIG in August 2015, it was obviously CIG were taking advantage of the mentally ill at that point and rumours of how bad employees were treated were circulating among dev studios.

Anyone joining from that point onwards deserves what they get and anyone still there from earlier should really have left by now.

Same here. The folks who were there early on at least have an excuse, but now that production has descended into a monstrous joke that only exists to milk backers I have no sympathy for them. There are plenty of other game companies out there that make actual games and don't waste millions of other people's money because they can. Whenever this clusterfuck collapses, either because CIG finally does release a steaming pile of poo poo or because CR finally outspends the money faucet and goes bankrupt, every one of them will be tainted by their affiliation with CIG. They'll spend the rest of their careers hearing "oh you worked on Star Citizen" along with a barely suppressed laugh (assuming they can even get a job working on games). The worst thing will be the new hires, the ones right out of college who don't know any better and assume that CIG's constant deluge of incompetence and waste is normal for game development.

At this part every one of them is a willful participant in a blatant scam. The sad part is that most of them probably don't realize that CIG is just as likely to gently caress them as their customers. Just look at what happened to 38 Studios.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 17:10

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

AP posted:

Money is absolutely fine, I think he's pretty cool and he really isn't interested in computer games at all. He was the most likable person on those horrible twitch shows after all the others got fired/resigned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuC1Hw-S0tg&t=12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukNj3p9VfOw&t=164s

I wonder how Chris feels knowing the guy handling his video editing is a better director than he'll ever be.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 21:26

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Samizdata posted:

I like you Beer, but GODDAMNIT STOP FREAKING REMINDING ME OF THE GODDAMN COLDBLOODED MURDER OF ONE OF MY FAVORITE STUDIOS ALREADY! IT IS STILL TOO GODDAMN SOON!

EDIT: A big huge tariff to commemorate the passing of Big Huge Games.

Sorry, this is a safe place. Feel free to continue to post without fear of being triggered.

38 Studios.

The Titanic posted:

It's been a while, so I may be a bit fuzzy on the details.

This was all at the very outset of everything. Sandi wasn't married to Chris, the ideas were still original. This whole Sq42 thing came around at some point, and everybody was like "Oh! Like Hitchhikers Guide! Haha!" And instead of go with it, Sandi determined that it wasn't in fact a HHGTTG reference, but instead it was her favorite number. So it's all original and totally not cribbing on Douglas Adams.

As for the towel, no idea? I'm sure towels are her favorite bathroom item or something.

Somebody like Beer can probably correct me if I'm way off base. This is some early days stuff when I wasn't really caring too much because the game was still feasible and not a train wreck.

Yeah that's pretty much it. Sandi made it about herself while Chris was making a "homage" to a better IP.

Klyith posted:

Nah. Disaster projects are a thing that happens regularly enough in the biz that there's no stigma associated with it. Everyone knows someone who once was working on a project that was terrible or on fire. The black marks are pretty well confined to the management level.

I agree that if you are working at CIG you are working for an immoral company built on suckering people, and should take some time to reflect on that. But whatever, . People gotta eat. The best thing to do would be to be a whistleblower if you see or know things that are capital w Wrong above and beyond just a broken project, like false representations of the funding tracker or things being done to intentionally deceive the community.

OTOH leaking poo poo to the press really is a thing that will end your career in the industry if you're caught so that's a thing.

Yes but it'll be a suppressed laugh and they'll say "tell me stories of how crazy that poo poo was. did someone really quit by setting all the public tvs to a looping video of sandi's tickle porn?"

Yeah. Anyone at CIG should have a plan for what happens if they suddenly stop getting paychecks and the whole thing implodes, including the possibility that there's actually illegal poo poo happening.

But again, anyone in game development needs a plan for getting fired at any moment because that's a thing that happens. It's a very unstable industry for workers.

Fair enough. It makes sense that the random guy working on the pube distribution of the left testicle of the Vanduul boss in Squadron 42 wouldn't see his work impacted by the whole company going tits up.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2016 21:37

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Milky Moor posted:

mental illness

As the game continues to be delayed the community slowly loses people who are willing to tolerate CIG. Those who are left are the most... dedicated to development.

It's one of the reasons I haven't been as active. I don't want someone showing up at my door.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 13:06

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWqCew1g-A

lovely crowdfunded closed development obvious hacks Warhorse Studios continue to show "progress" on their "game" that is currently in an "alpha state" where all of the intended games features are "implemented". Notable pieces of information include a dramatic three and a half hours of motion capture for a single player narrative game (it took them a whole month), numerous examples of where ambitious features had to be cut for the interest of gameplay, and artists being tasked with the alien concept of "optimization".

Clearly a scam.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 17:19

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

more sick as hell SQ42 footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8wTqdDXplc&t=942s

That is loving idiotic.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 21:28

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

trucutru posted:

A furious nerd shows at la maison Bière, looks at the 3 meter-tall front door, then calmly turns back.

My dogs are really friendly. Well, I mean the Pit Bull is kind of neurotic but the Rottweiler is really nice.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 21:33

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

I mean I'm irrationally irritated at how loving stupid that is. 900 years in the future and they need five guys running around doing some bullshit choreography from when giant airplanes were launched with steam off of ships.

Gee, I wonder how other space sims do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15zbowAlZPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SI1CB4rcf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLvVqRPVSWI

Yeah it definitely makes more sense to have five guys sit around getting ready to take a face full of plasma exhaust.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 21:46

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

unrelated, i posted about a nice beer in your honor have you tried hitachino's 3 days?

I haven't. What kind of beer is it?

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 21:48

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Eldragon posted:

You must also really hate Star Wars.

Naw they only have one dude with those glowy wands.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 03:48

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

It's the result of the 3/11/2011 earthquake in Japan also striking Hitachino's brewery. They had a new mash just before the quake struck. The damage led to a 3-day power outage, and the casks of mash were all tilted at an angle, so the mash entered spontaneous fermentation. I think the original intention was a witbier, but what they wound up with has the look and feel of a sour Flemish red ale. The brewery was able to make 8,000 bottles of this disaster beer -- it's pretty interesting if you like the sour style. Spicy, sweet n sour, with some red fruit tang. It's pretty cool that the brewery was able to claw something worthwhile out of their misfortune.

That sounds amazing, but it also sounds impossible to get.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 03:49

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

I requested a refund.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 03:59

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Exinos posted:

Wonder if Sandi does it directly just so she can have the pleasure of killing your account. Can't let some wage slave banish the grand heretic.

I suspect she will never e-mail me again.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 04:16

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

thatguy posted:

Wait, I meant smart.

I'm getting mixed messages.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 05:05

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Just as I thought; CIG disabled my main account so that it couldn't submit CS requests. Had to use an alt.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 05:55

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

I'm actually insulted that CIG is so unprofessional that they would block me from submitting a support request.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 06:26

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Sappo569 posted:

You know what to do

Send your story off to every news agency, media outlet, and blogger that will listen

I likely will if they don't respond, along with all the various agencies and the LA District Attorney.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 06:33

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

MeLKoR posted:

What changed?

I don't know. I just finally accepted that they were never going to deliver anything.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 13:13

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

MeLKoR posted:

Well if you refunded I think some other whale should be given your job so that balance is maintained.

MoMA for Mod

We'll see. I suspect that this won't be easy.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 13:19

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

hakimashou posted:

"The Chairman's" response to the Escapist was when I became convinced of that particular fact.

That just convinced me that Chris was inept. I had hoped that the other devs could do their work in spite of him. I think seeing the Warhorse Studios update combined with the latest ATV showing that dumb bit of choreography cemented that CIG is fundamentally broken.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 13:22

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

SelenicMartian posted:

And here's CIG's CS vs the leavers. Begs a caption. (you can get the gif by replacing .mp4 with gif)

http://i.imgur.com/tsZ5nk7.mp4

The funny part is that if you have a guy walk out in front of the space jet I can guarantee you that they'll continue to do their stupid animations as if nothing happed.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 15:06

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

TheLightPurges posted:

I think even some backers noticed this.

This ATV showing off how early(read: lovely) the animations are reveals that the whole SQ42 2016(especially chris's gamescom interview) was a clear lie. Not optimism, a deliberate misrepresentation of the state of things.

That's a good point. Compare where SQ42 is now with where Infinite Warfare, a game that actually did release in 2016, was back at E3 when they did the reveal trailers.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 15:08

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Fat Shat Sings posted:

They have also been keeping a lot of money. Standard procedure for awhile would be

Backer 1 buys $250 ship and gifts it to Backer 2
Backer 2 buys a $150 ship
Backer 2 asks for refund, CIG deletes his account and gives him back the $150 he paid, the $250 that was gifted disappears into the ether
When asked CIG refuses to refund the $250 as it wasn't purchased by Backer 2

It wasn't until a bunch of people started posting here and getting refunds that people found out they were entitled to the store credit they had been given as gifts and CIG repeatedly caved on the gift thing when pressed, but who knows how much money has just been kept by CIG by people who refused to press through a half dozen emails where you have to teach their customer service reps that currency value held by a person is that person's property regardless of it's origin.

It's pretty funny in an illegal way. Kind of like how they refuse to allow gift cards to be spent on sales because they technically aren't "new money." This is totally a bad idea but they can't separate the "Melt Ships = Credit" mechanic from "Pay Money in Advance= Credit" mechanic, so they have to invalidate the use of all forms of prior credit, including the completely valid gift cards which are legally eligible for sales.

explaining any of this to backers or CIG customer service is a waste of time though. I figured some whale would have sued over not being to use his $3000 in giftcards for a Javelin or something. If any other company said "No, You know what guys? Those Giftcards you bought? They don't apply to sales. Sorry." I'm sure something would be done about it, but most companies sell actual products and not dreams.

I had this happen to me firsthand, and is a perfect example of how much of this production is an absolute scam. Anything that leads to them keeping money in spite of their inability to deliver a product is ridiculous.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 16:06

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

DapperDon posted:

It's been very interesting watching your evolution about this and your opinion of Chris and CIG as a whole.

I am part of the entertainment.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 17:14

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Samizdata posted:

Sorry, old man, I know you would repledge just to hear her dulcet tones pronouncing your name once more, but hang tough, buddy.

I will try to endure.

Refund spergs, how long did CIG take to initially respond?

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 18:53

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

thatguy posted:

Haha, you think they'll respond.

I don't, I just wanted to know how long I should wait before contacting the various agencies that likely already have significant cases against CIG.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 19:22

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Lladre posted:

Three business days (tops).
They are known to have people's tickets go right to the delete folder. So you may be in that group.
You should be able to contact them using that special snowflake site since it isn't tied to your RSI account.

ZenDesk? Yeah they changed my password and made it so that I can't reset it.

EDIT: Maybe something hosed up. I'll check again.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2016 19:41

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Beet Wagon posted:

They ignored me for a week+ and then I sent them a final ultimatum telling them they had three business days before I started contacting various government agencies and they were suddenly Johnny-on-the-spot.

Also, you don't have to be able to log in to zendesk to contact them. You can email them directly at support@cloudimperiumgames.com

I did email them directly. They didn't send any acknowledgement. Then I tried using the support request on RSI. It was broken for my account, but worked for an alt. Then I used ZenDesk and gave them three business days to respond.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2016 00:12

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Raskolnikov posted:

gwarlaugh.gifv]

Yeah let's leave the failing company for the one that can't deliver a product and relies entirely on the good will of a slowly angering community.

Man, gently caress the games industry.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2016 05:58

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Does Subnautica still have a direct link to their Jira? The real one that shows actual tasks and not CONTENT?

# ¿ Dec 10, 2016 14:34

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

ArfJason posted:

Yeah, that reddit guy is a complete weirdo for following a guy online all day long to make fun of him, and sometimes even going as far as posting personal information on public venues. He's an obsessive creep who probably sends death threats, and is constantly cataloguing, screenshotting and archiving gaffes by his object of mockery, for a period of time that exceeds months. yea

It's true, and weird how people are obsessed over talking about this game.

# ¿ Dec 10, 2016 20:27

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Enchanted Hat posted:

I'd almost feel bad suicide ganking his freighter and tainting the fantasy world too.

Don't worry, that will never happen.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2016 01:49

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Beet Wagon posted:

Speaking of the pupper, Mrs. Beet took him to some kind of weird Harry Potter party at the bookstore last night and he won the costume contest apparently.

I should make him a Star Commando suit and take him to CitCon... of course that would require me to actually go to loving CitCon, and no thanks.

Oh my God your dog is the best.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2016 01:54

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

if you could ask Chris Roberts a "tough question" that wouldn't get banned for being exceedingly "trollish" what would it be

"What will you do if you fail?"

# ¿ Dec 11, 2016 07:21

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

TheAgent posted:

I guess you can argue if SC development is progressing or if it's a scam or if I'm full of poo poo or whatever

But there's absolutely no disputing Chris Roberts has made himself some serious money
code:
Ann Est 2008 $125000
Ann Est 2009 $90000
Ann Est 2010 $90000
Ann Est 2011 $100000
Ann Est 2012 $250000
Ann Est 2013 $350000
Ann Est 2014 $650000
Ann Est 2015 $800000
crobbs you're my hero

LOL if you don't think he gets far more than that in company perks.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2016 02:04

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

gently caress now I want pie.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2016 03:00

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

AP posted:

https://www.twitch.tv/relay_sc/v/106579662?t=6m40s

INN2 still pissed about not getting paid.

They're being compensated at a level commensurate with what journalists of their caliber could expect.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2016 15:13

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# ¿ May 16, 2024 20:34

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Well Ray himself responded to my refund request. Their e-commerce team is reviewing the account and will let me know how much they're going to offer.

# ¿ Dec 12, 2016 15:55

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