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When I use "identity politics" I'm refering to meaningless platitudes given to minorities. Nobody actually gives a poo poo about, say, the diversity of corporate boards but it gives the elite enough "diversity" to pat themselves on the back and consider themselves truly progressive people without actually changing anything. Neoliberals have no intention on actually helping minorities but they think that replacing white dudes from Harvard with black dudes and white women from Harvard is good enough for the masses. Its basically rearranging deck chairs while they continue to loot pensions and push charter schools.
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Byolante posted:Because neoliberals use it as a wedge issue to divide classes so they won't unite on economic issues
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here's a summary of the argument about identity politics: a leftist: "we need to fight for both social justice and economic justice. you can't have one without the other" a neoliberal: "we need to fight for social justice that won't affect my bank account"
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Deified Data posted:Going back to most of the reponses to your posts in USPol the latter would be more like "go burn a cross bernie-bro". It wasn't a conversation most wanted to have at the time. They were scared and circled the wagons. im not shocked at all that a bunch of software engineers and lawyers did their absolute best to pretend class resentment wasn't a thing. they were much happier writing off entire states as racist or suggested rural whites needed to be put into re-education camps. edit: apokaladle posted:The other side of the entirely justified distrust of "social justice that doesn't affect my bank account" is distrust of "economic justice that doesn't make a white person uncomfortable". I consider myself a leftist, and in leftist circles I have too frequently seen this play out. Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Dec 3, 2016 |
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UV_Catastrophe posted:It is entirely possible to convincingly do both, and anyone who tells you otherwise is likely disguising their conservative views behind a bad faith argument.  anyone that says "populism is racist" or "there is no war but class war" is being disingenuous
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Dec 3, 2016 19:07
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Rexicon1 posted:I have no loving clue what you clods are talking about in this thread. Everyone's talking past each other with smug satisfaction in their righteous cause without listening to a goddamn thing anyone says. Apparently there are 49 different definitions of identity politics and no one knows what the gently caress the problem is. yeah we pretty much answered the question on the first page and the rest of this thread is falling down the same rabbit hole
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Dec 3, 2016 21:16
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Squinty posted:Democrats and are currently in the process of burying Keith Ellison as an anti-Semite, so I guess chalk up another victory/casualty for identity politics you have a link for this? i'm genuinely interested
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lol the same 4 people have been bouncing back and forth for 3 pages
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Dec 4, 2016 22:39
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obama was farther to the left because he at least carried the lie of change all the way to election day, whereas clinton stopped talking about it as soon as she felt like she had the election in the bag
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Dec 5, 2016 00:05
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what was hillary's leftist economic policy? i live in cleveland and watched her ads almost nonstop for 2 months and all i can tell you is she isn't donald trump and she likes children
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Dec 5, 2016 00:19
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stone cold posted:Go back to harassing random women on dating sites, bernout. Nobody cares about your lovely opinions you loving harasser. yikes
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Dec 5, 2016 00:28
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Calibanibal posted:You, like actual IRL gorillas, have a tiny little baby dick. You are a brain-damaged pedophile. Cishet bernoutboi, I will see you in the gas chambers 
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Nevvy Z posted:Oh look, more of this "woman's husband did a thing"="woman did the thing, and we are going to ascribe to her the worst motives for it we can come up with" like we saw during the campaigns. You ever think some people cared so much about Hillary's spouse because he had the office she was running for for 8 years? I'm not arguing for the "Clinton let Lewinsky slide and is this a horrible woman" garbage, but Bill's legacy is absolutely something to be factored in considering he's going to be living with the president. Maybe don't run spouses of former presidents if you don't want this to happen 
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Dec 6, 2016 16:28
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botany posted:Maybe don't be a misogynistic rear end in a top hat So you wouldn't be worried about trumps influence if one of his idiot children ran in 2024? Edit: how do you feel about Thomas's decisions on the supreme court and the business dealings of his wife? Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 16:32
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JeffersonClay posted:Apparently America is full of racists and sexists. But don't worry we have it on good authority they secretly lust for socialism. You can see it that way. I'm seeing that people are so desperate for a disruption in the status quo that they'll overlook all of the terrible poo poo trump stands for because at least he's something different
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Dec 6, 2016 18:10
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Also loving lol at Thatcher defenses coming from "liberals".
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Dec 6, 2016 18:12
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emdash posted:and in 2016 58% want to repeal the ACA and replace it with "a federally funded healthcare program providing insurance for all Americans" Actually that poll is wrong, as socialism polls lower than Hillary clintons
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Dec 6, 2016 23:11
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Sethex posted:I personally found it odd that a lot of African liberation activists chose to convert to islam as a response to segregation/slavery in American. Lmao what is going on in this thread 
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Shbobdb posted:I've bolded the unacceptable hate-speech. We should strive to be "person" forward, so it would be "they hurled racial slurs at our African American player with kyphosis". consider striving your "person" to stop posting
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