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Neurolimal posted:Since this opinion isn't being respected when said by SA posters, I found a respected actor to explain it succinctly in twitter format: Dude went to jail for militant black activism, he's not really comparable in this situation.
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Funny memesman Samuel L Jackson held several members of his college board hostage along with other black students in a bid to improve minority rights on the campus in the wake of MLK Jr's assassination.
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Dec 4, 2016 18:16
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Motto posted:I'm not quite sure what a "social leftist" is if it includes people with a hardon for capital punishment. He's speaking about irony level 1 'white people suck' posting on the internet.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:19
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The actual conversation among minority groups is more like 'stop demonizing us culturally and then murdering us openly on the streets without remorse or justice' but that's a stance too far because it makes people uncomfortable and introspective if they even bother to go that far
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Dec 7, 2016 19:21
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the trump tutelage posted:"You're either with us or you're against us" is an extremely productive mentality, especially when you're in the minority. I think you might have thought of this as a sick own when it is the daily reality and something already understood. Like what do you call somebody who is not allying with you, if not an passive accomplice to your misery at best when we are talking about the struggle to be recognized as human and deserving of compassion.
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Dec 7, 2016 23:35
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Thug Lessons posted:Reparations becomes insanity when you start to look outside the US and realize that the world is filled with countries that have spent the last two hundred years oppressing, terrorizing and killing their minorities. The black American experience is not a unique one, and if they have a right to have the historical and ongoing injustices perpetrated against them righted through cash payment by the ethnic groups that oppressed them then so does every other minority that's spend the last few centuries being brutalized. The problem is that a world where you actually try to enforce that right is a world being drowned in rivers of blood, repaying injustice with injustice and perpetuating a new round of ethnic conflict even more violent than the last. Historical injustice in a broad sense can never be righted. We can only correct ongoing injustice through the conventional ways: self-determination, equality under national and international law, and strict respect for all people's human rights. Reparations are never going to happen but also neither will federal level economic redevelopment of black communities and schooling. It's moot either way but I will always support people trying to alleviate the situation with the small power they can muster.
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Dec 7, 2016 23:44
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Thug Lessons posted:I don't agree at all. If I thought any sort of positive change was impossible I wouldn't waste my time being a leftist. I do think positive change is possible though, which is why I don't support programs that make such change harder on the grounds of sanctimonious and wrong-headed moralism. I think cultural resistance to policies that would enact the change needed to actually begin to unscrew the darn near hundreds of years of racism systematic and otherwise is untenable currently and in the near future. People still keeping it up on the forefront have my admiration and sympathy but the opposition has done their best to create a deep divide that is probably more insurmountable than it might seem, at least speaking nationally. We're the baddies and you even see people who would elsewhere claim left leaning tendencies arguing we should keep down and out of sight. You can fight your whole life to change a small amount of hearts and minds around you and that will not be enough to overcome the screaming gulf that exists.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:08
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Thug Lessons posted:I also think it's incorrect to view what Conyers, Coates, etc. are doing as "trying to alleviate the situation with the small power they can muster". It's actually grandstanding for a project they know will never work, especially in Conyers' case. Maybe Coates actually believes his own propaganda but Conyers knows full well it's never going to happen based on the past 10,000 time his proposals failed to make it out of committee. It's keeping it in the public eye which is important. Actual change will pretty much only come from community initiatives and people who can deal it back themselves with charity, as in the status quo we already see. I'm pessimistic though.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:09
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Thug Lessons posted:You don't have to "change hearts and minds". That's a liberal lie that they tell to make societal change seem impossible. At the turn of the 20th century the United States was a far, far more racist country than it is today to the point that the first and by far most popular film was the "noble" story of the Ku Klux Klan, but that didn't stop 12% of Americans from joining a socialist, multi-racial & anti-racist, revolutionary union organization known as the IWW. About 20,000 Bolsheviks were able to take control of a country of a 100 million. Even Martin Luther King didn't change hearts and minds through rational argument and in fact he was despised by most white people of his time, and it's only his victories that transformed him into an American hero. You're going about everything the wrong way because you've been duped by the liberal establishment, which doesn't want to change anything, into believing that change is impossible unless you convince everyone of the morality of your cause first. Duped nothing, it was always violence and the threat of it that led to change, at lightest just fear of general disruption. I already know that.
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