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So uh, when did this become the 'Karl marx economic fanclub'? I thought you guys were going to be talking about stuff like the hypocricy of most media progressives when it comes to people like Caitlyn Jenner or Milo Yiannopolus? I always found it funny how republican gays as a group are viewed by the progressives. Same with republican black voters. Social media progressives will quickly turn on members of a minority who dont confirm to the party line.
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One of the issues people have with identity politics is that 'cultural appropriation' is being wielded like a bludgeon when 'white people' enjoy aspects of another culture. http://heatst.com/culture-wars/hijabi-for-a-day-event-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/ The “Hijabi for a Day” event, organized by the Muslim Student Association and Wisconsin Union Directorate Global Connections Committee, invited women to wear headscarves and also to talk with a Muslim woman about the head covering’s meanings, which can vary widely. But Farhat Bhuiyan, one of the event’s organizers, said that two or three students claimed it was cultural appropriation, while four more expressed worries that participating could be offensive or “problematic.” This is an event organized by muslims to get people to try on headscarves, and it is somehow cultural appropriation. http://www.treehugger.com/culture/please-dont-call-my-beloved-canoe-symbol-cultural-appropriation.html A guy who grew up in rural canada responded to the idea that non-natives should use hiking or motorboats to get around, and not use canoes because they are somehow a symbol of theft and genocide. Then there is the hairstyle debate about dreadlocks. http://www.independent.co.uk/studen...l-a6959181.html People see these sorts of things, and think the entire left has gone stark raving mad, as the arguments seem to fall apart in the minds of non-academia when applied in the other direction, such as 'non-germans should never wear lenderhosen', or 'non-greeks should not wear togas'. The right wing media gleefully reports on this stuff and broadcasts it everywhere for people to laugh at and get mad about. It also hurts cultural ownership arguments of first nation peoples, as the 'cultural appropriation' hysteria makes their positions look worse and harder to defend due to misue of the term by radicals.
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TheImmigrant posted:I imagine any Republican who read this thread would cackle mightily. This thread started to become hilarious when communism/capitalism/marxism started entering the discussion and started pushing out people who were trying to talk about the popular perception of identity politics and the horrid voices/events making the various identities so toxic to people that Trump was acceptable since he was not supported by those groups. Progressive identity politics and the most rabid hypocritical supporters of it in the twittersphere/tumblrsphere have poisoned the idea for so many in recent years. I mean, it feels like I just stepped into the secret headquarters of the Something Awful Communist Party, and it is hilarious.
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the trump tutelage posted:As it's currently practiced (that is, out in the real world and not in sterile academic tracts), idpol is a politics of resentment and revenge. For example, when discussing reparations, workable policy proposals are necessarily yoked with collective guilt, collective shame and collective punishment (see: Ta-Nehisi Coates). It cannot simply be about materially improving the lives of black Americans going forward; it must also be about balancing the cosmic scales of justice. It's Utopian. This essentializing and bigoted thinking is permitted within idpol because the chimeric Eternal Oppressor cannot be maligned enough. The tarring of 'white men' as being uniquely evil because of what american minorities and natives experienced at the hands of european settlers is an idea that infuriates any person who has any sort of grasp on where the african slaves came from in africa, or the origins of the word slave. African slaves were sold off by rival tribes after wars, since the europeans offered a good price for them. Looking at modern tribal tensions in africa, and all the genocides and wars, it is easy to see how they might decide to capture all their rivals and sell them off. The word Slave is in fact the same as Slav, and referred to eastern european slaves, many of which were brought to Muslim spain. The idea that their experiences were somehow different than the opression of the irish, or the slavery of the slavic peoples, is maddening to people who know about history.
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Higsian posted:Yeah the idea of minority rights and equality has (rightly) become mainstream enough that it's attracted its own brand of authoritarians. Watching them rage against their counterparts on the right is like watching fundamentalist christians and radical islamists each call the other the devil. Watching them beat up on their own side for not toeing their line reminds me of the reaction to people thinking that bombing the poo poo out of Iraq was a bad idea. Yeah, the idea that women can do most of the stuff men can do has mostly settled into the minds of the public. Manspreading and male tears memes are the sort of things that provoke a backlash against feminism when women decide its a good idea to spread that stuff around social media. Then there was the whole 'listen and believe' thing going around and articles about how courts should take a womans word aboud being raped as without dispute... ignoring the events of 'to kill a mockingbird'. Stuff like that feminist glaciology study makes the work of more reasonable feminists harder, since the stuff the radicals yell about is everywhere on social media and sites like salon/jezebel/mary sue.
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Anyone who read about the duke lacrosse case, the jian gomeshi trial, or that rolling stones libel lawsuit knows how 'listen and believe' can backfire on everyone who decides to believe before a trial. To kill a mockingbird was about a false rape accusation that everyone instantly believed because of who the accused was.
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