Byolante posted:

Because neoliberals use it as a wedge issue to divide classes so they won't unite on economic issues

Brainiac Five posted:

A pretty good example of why "we need both" is a facile lie is that the people saying it are pushing respectability politics for the minorities. Thus, since LGBT people can't put pressure on society in general because that's "alienating" and can't put pressure on corporations because that's "neoliberalism", what would actually happen in Freddie the Boor's ideal leftism is that LGBT liberation and LGBT people as a class would slowly get strangled into oblivion.

Brainiac Five posted:

No it isn't, your argument is that racism emerged from capitalism, and you ignored the evidence posted against it to repeat yourself like a parrot, except parrots are about three, five times smarter than you.


No I'm not. Your brain damage about the term "neoliberalism" is not a universal thing, buddy.

It's a real shame that George McGovern democratized the primaries, such that it became necessary to campaign for the nomination instead of just handing the nomination to Bernie Sanders outright.


Wait, hold on. I thought that we were talking about the intellectual content, not whether a person you dislike is associated with the idea. I guess now's a good time to point out that Hitler ate, drank, breathed, and poo poo, so you should refrain from doing, well, all of those things, but also the last one, because then I won't be reading any more of your posts.

stone cold posted:

Why can't minorities shut the hell up and join us in the class war?

Let me denigrate their struggles as college campus nonsense though.

Go join the Republican Party, you piece of poo poo.

Calibanibal posted:

This thread is hysterical

Brainiac Five posted:

Bernie lost the nomination by hundreds of delegates more than the total number of superdelegates, and lost the popular primary vote by 20 points, and lost in number of states, too. By every possible metric he lost the primary nominations and only could have won through a reversion to pre-McGovern-Faber rules. You moron.

deep web creep posted:

I'm not sure if you mean Identity Politics or ~IDPOL~ but like I and so many people in this thread have said that there is no reason why we can't or shouldn't fight housing discrimination or hate crimes or whatever else that affects mainly or exclusively minorities while at the same time fighting for the safety and security of the poor even if some of them happen to be - horror of horrors - white! (or straight or cis &c &c)

You might even say these struggles are...inexorably linked?!

I'm of the opinion that progress made towards one is worthless or at least vastly impoverished without equal progress towards the other.

Brainiac Five posted:

Brainiac Five posted:

I didn't say anything about the superdelegate system being good or bad one way or another, so your question is obviously made with dishonest intent, as dishonest as when you ran a kid over with your car in 2007 and drove away without turning yourself in.

Main Paineframe posted:

Yeah employment discrimination and glass ceilings are no big deal, right?

This is why people don't trust the whole "end identity politics" schtick; it usually ends up meaning "forget the minority issues I don't care about".

Brainiac Five posted:

You asked a leading question, just like the incompetent prosecutor did, allowing you to walk for your many vile crimes. It's fun to play the insinuation game, isn't it?

7c Nickel posted:

The only calls to do one to the exclusion of the other have come from "only class is important" people. The closest I've seen to the reverse are people who distrust "colorblind" economic policies because historically they've always been tailored to only help white people.

Brainiac Five posted:

Interesting how "the new Jim Crow" became "re-enslavement."

In any case, the 1990s crime bill didn't create carceral racism, motherfucker. That began in the 1960s with the involuntary hospitalization of civil rights workers as schizophrenic and developed into its modern form with the War on Drugs. The 1990s crime bill also had a great deal of support from minority communities at the time, because there was a genuine fear of surging violence in the early 1990s. People worried about children growing up to be "superpredators" because of high-profile cases where children murdered other children in hideously violent ways.

That turned out to be bullshit, but it's also a level of bullshit a whole bunch of people fell for, so it is, in fact, more complicated than "Killary Kkklinton has bamboozled all the black people of American into voting for her so she can kill and eat them all", as y'all euros like to insist upon.

Brainiac Five posted:

Leftist economic policy has fuckall to do with fiscal policy, because fiscal policy is predicated upon the capitalist system as it currently stands.

Brainiac Five posted:

You gotta say it three times in a row for the magic to work, dude.

Main Paineframe posted:

They're the same drat thing - in both cases, it's people who aren't white males being treated unfairly and unequally because they're not white males. Discrimination is bad, period.

7c Nickel posted:

Ok link that then. I have never seen anyone say that economic issues shouldn't be touched. Only that they're insufficient when trying to tackle some problems.

JeffersonClay posted:

Hillary: "Not everything is about an economic theory, right? If we broke up the big banks tomorrow -- and I will if they deserve it -- if they pose a systemic risk, I will -- would that end racism?"

Crowd "no"

Hillary: "would that end sexism?"

Crowd "no"

Hillary "would that end discrimination against the LGBT community?"

Crowd "no"

They're right!

JeffersonClay posted:

So can you admit you were wrong to claim she said "we should not touch them"?

OneEightHundred posted:

The problem with pushing about diversity among elites is that the elites can just find people like Margaret Thatcher and Clarence Thomas that will check that box while still completely enforcing the status quo, which is incidentally what Trump is doing right now.

Brainiac Five posted:

They should not be broken up, but instead should be nationalized, Distributist dipshit.


"This is also ignoring that there has been a strong streak of socialism in the history of LGBQT culture. It's not a case of "don't make corporations change things, don't scare white people", it's "don't oppress one side of your own group because you're terrified they might oppress you". White people are not enemies of leftism, let alone change."

What exactly is "don't oppress one side of your own group" supposed to refer to here, Dickless?

7c Nickel posted:

Ok sure. But "I wish she had used stronger language" is a pretty far cry from "She suggested we not touch economic issues at all".

JeffersonClay posted:

You know what the alt-right really hates? identity politics. Crazy, right?

Bip Roberts posted:

So she said good stuff but didn't say all the right good stuff all the time?

7c Nickel posted:

What? No she didn't. She went on to say we need a candidate who can tackle economic and identity issues at the same time. The whole thing was a way of criticizing Bernie for turning to the same economic stump speech for every question. Are you just hoping no one will actually look at the video?

Woozy posted:

It was an example: Edith Windsor actually does live in a Manhattan apartment.

Look, the fact that you were challenged on a single point and immediately regressed to shrieking, full-blown anti-communism has done a better job of answering the question posed in this thread than any argument I could ever make. If I actually were a Nazi I'd be thrilled to enjoy your loyal opposition, brittle and fractious as it is.

Neurolimal posted:

Why do you assume Ahuviya's trans status is the source of the insult and not her partner abuse and preying on young transmen and transwomen? Or her multiple instances of Hypocrisy regarding her hatred of cis men followed by her enacting those same complaints towards her lovers?

Neurolimal posted:

It's possible for trans people to do bad things.

Brainiac Five posted:

It is extremely interesting that he decided to make the assumption I was a trans woman, I would think, but you are a motherfucker congenitally.

Woozy posted:

J. Sakai, who actually does produce an accurate and scathing critique of the history of racism and betrayal within left politics. This should be mandatory reading for leftists but unfortunately it doesn't contribute meaningfully to the question of how to get white racists to vote Democrat so you don't see it come up all that often in discussions of identity politics.

Brainiac Five posted:

And now we're misgendering. Woozy, great defender of poor trans people, doesn't care, because that's identity politics now too.

Pharohman777 posted:

So uh, when did this become the 'Karl marx economic fanclub'? I thought you guys were going to be talking about stuff like the hypocricy of most media progressives when it comes to people like Caitlyn Jenner or Milo Yiannopolus?
I always found it funny how republican gays as a group are viewed by the progressives.

Same with republican black voters. Social media progressives will quickly turn on members of a minority who dont confirm to the party line.

Brainiac Five posted:

You don't know that because you're apparently incapable of sincere emotion, so you generalize your damage onto everyone around you.

Neurolimal posted:

Please point out where I have dogwhistled. Use quotations and bolding of my posts if you must. Just explain how they are.

Business Gorillas posted:

Calibanibal posted:

Just reviewed Business Gorillas' posting history. Why is this sicko not perma-banned???

stone cold posted:

You are not funny, you are a cripplingly sad individual who should really rethink your life choices because you loving harass women for the 'lulz.' You are a waste of space and should gently caress off to 4chan, where your ilk belongs. I'm sorry your micropeen has made you so sad but go to hell.

Brainiac Five posted:

Why is harassment good? Is there an encyclical about stalking women?

Brainiac Five posted:

Have you confused me with someone else again? Just like when you claimed an admin was me?

blowfish posted:

Perhaps you could post evidence of this crime against humanity that allegedly got commited by a Something Awful forums poster on the Something Awful forums. For example, by posting a link to the thread.

Brainiac Five posted:

So it's OK for me to creep on you, right?

stone cold posted:

I too describe calling out people who think that that trans people aren't people as whining.

zegermans posted:

Hey question how would positive economic messaging and a jobs program kept Sandra Bland alive?

zegermans posted:

but having a strong anti-lynching position is identity politics.

Main Paineframe posted:

Actually, it is good for women to have the same opportunities as men. What's your next hot take, that DADT was good because you don't believe in military service?

Badger of Basra posted:

If only Hillary had talked about this!