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Have you thought that maybe we need to allow unions to exclude blacks.
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Neurolimal posted:Identity Politics is not the enemy of fiscal leftism. It's a roadblock at best, a bizarre internalization of the labels granted by the elite to divide them, taken with pride. How is it even a roadblock? "Identity politics" divorced from the pejorative title are unambiguously good things.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:02
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Neurolimal posted:Because most people don't even know the word and its application to their problems, and those that do have an overwhelmingly high chance of associating it with kneejerk "I guess we need to become RACIST because we need Have you thought that maybe you could try a little harder and have both.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:08
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Rexicon1 posted:Who is saying we can't have both? Holy gently caress. Isn't that literally what people mean when they say they don't like identity politics?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:21
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deep web creep posted:check it out here's what the blackest transest satanist and the whitest straightest christian want: Would fighting housing discrimination or hate crimes be ID politics?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:28
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Cugel the Clever posted:No. How many times does it need to be reiterated that social and economic justice are not mutually exclusive? So identity politics (social justice) are good then?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:34
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I'm confused. Is ID politics only when good things are done but only when they are done in a bad way?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:35
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's actually because all the people Hillary's husband put in prison weren't allowed to vote. But Bernie also voted to imprison them too?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:39
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Neurolimal posted:Because the VAWA was attached. He had the option to not vote for a bill he wanted, or vote for the bill he wanted attached to a bill he thought was bad but was supported by the communities it would affect. He made the best possible choice by opting to vote for the bill, but caution others of its potential exploitability and future harm. I bet everyone is glad he feels real bad about it.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:48
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deep web creep posted:I'm not sure if you mean Identity Politics or ~IDPOL~ but like I and so many people in this thread have said that there is no reason why we can't or shouldn't fight housing discrimination or hate crimes or whatever else that affects mainly or exclusively minorities while at the same time fighting for the safety and security of the poor even if some of them happen to be - horror of horrors - white! (or straight or cis &c &c) So you are for ID politics then?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:49
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deep web creep posted:If that is what you mean by ID politics I guess I am, friend! People need to clarify when they use the term ID politics if they mean good things or bad things. Some people seem to use it for bad things and other people mean good things. I'm confused.
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Dec 3, 2016 22:55
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Confounding Factor posted:Sure I agree with that, and I've agreed with much of what you have posted here thus far (especially the no oppression against white gays). I'd rather put aside our minor squabble and focus on the more important discussion of class, which is what we should be having and not more identity politics. Why are you against both? Can two things not be focused on at once?
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Dec 3, 2016 22:59
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Neurolimal posted:I was referring to the "out of context" part. How can a vote be "out of context"? He voted for it and people suffer today. I'm glad he "feels bad". That helps.
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Dec 4, 2016 01:37
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Crowsbeak posted:She should not say if. They should be broken up. Period. Also why not instead say I'll do it and support everyone when you are denied equal pay. When they say your lifestyle prevents them from renting to you. When they say your gender means they cannot provide your health. So she said good stuff but didn't say all the right good stuff all the time?
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Dec 4, 2016 02:34
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UP AND ADAM posted:I'm a big baby who can't accept the fact that maybe if I hadn't shamed all the Bernie supporters during the primary they would've help mi abuela win. Shaming berniebros was funny at the time and is still funny today somehow.
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rkajdi posted:HI44/PUMA was a thing, but I got the impression it was a much smaller group of people. Could be vocality thing, since we did have our own prime examples floating around during the election, whereas I don't think we had any Hillary lost causers in '08. A big difference is Clinton 2008 core demographics are people who have to be convinced not to vote while Sanders 2016 core demographics are people who have to be convinced to vote.
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