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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Walmart offers important services like cheap glasses or low cost check cashing for the unbanked, stuff like that. They're even slowly rolling out low cost medical clinics. Seriously Walmart does a lot for actual poor people in this country. But I'm sure dingy, cramped, expensive mom and pop shops that were only open 4 hours a day and didn't serve black people or unwed mothers had so much more dignity.

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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Cease to Hope posted:

yeah nah they take a fixed fee plus a %. Walmarts are often worse than payday loan outlets when it comes to cashing paychecks.

That's just false. They charge a low fixed fee, no percentage. Taking a percentage of the check is exactly why regular check cashing places are so evil, and not taking a percentage is exactly why I mentioned that service in my post.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

fishmech posted:

At a lot of their locations they waive the fee or heavily reduce it... but only if you're also about to pay for your monthly groceries etc with it at that Wal-Mart. It's basically holding their business and paycheck hostage. Same sort of deal at a lot of supermarket chains.

What the hell are you talking about? Also, the fee is $3-6.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
How would that even work, specifically? Every Walmart I've seen has check cashing at a side counter away from the cash registers? How do you cash a check as part of your purchase? How is $3 not a token fee?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Walmart doesn't cash personal checks.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Caedus posted:

Can we talk about other large chains as well? I'd like to ask about HMV - specifically, what the gently caress.

HMV's were in every Canadian mall I'd ever been in, including the mall I moved next to in 2010. They sold your typical HMV stuff - mostly music, movies, posters, DVD and a bit of IP merch. In 2011 or '12 the location closed as the mall underwent renovation. It popped up as a temporary, half-sized store for 3 months around Christmas of '13, then disappeared again. They were selling about twice as much IP merch this time, but still mostly music/movies.

Two months ago HMV re-appears. The approach they've taken is this - take Spencers, Hot Topic and EB and cram it all into one store. Also a couple of racks of CDs, I guess.

You have your wall of FunKo figures, your poster section covering music, movies, anime and memes; you have a selection of actual new releases on vinyl, record players, and framed art prints of all the major Marvel characters. There's hoodies, sleeping bags, collectable busts, charms and every other kind of thing you could slap an IP on. For lack of a better word, the selection was schizophrenic. It's like the CEO googled "what do nerds buy" and stocked the whole chain with the top 200 results.

Honestly I really enjoy reading these threads about businesses failing to adapt while their new CEO tries "this one trick" that's going to save the company, for real! I'd like to know if there's some bizarre story behind this sudden change, and if it's working at all. (it worked a little bit I did buy my first cd in a decade for my old rear end vehicle after looking around)

CEOs don't do wacky poo poo to actually help their businesses, they do it to generate good buzz so the stock goes up and everybody is happy. Then they go off and CEO somewhere else. If sales at this chain went up because of this strategy, well, that's not a bad thing, but what was most important was creating a narrative that something was really being done.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
What's stopping Amazon from building a little room on to the front of their warehouses where the public can pick up an online order or browse Amazon.com at a touchscreen kiosk?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Thank you for the answers about my Amazon question. I guess I'm just such a Northeasterner that I don't truly understand the concept of "middle of nowhere".

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Corning, Arkansas, a town with less than 4000 people, which is in a county with 16000 people, which is 30 miles away from the nearest town with a population of over 10000 and 50 miles away from the nearest town of over 50000 people has and supports a Walmart. There are plenty of Cornings out there.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
A town of 4000 people surrounded by farms can support a Walmart, is my conclusion.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Alaska is fake rural, Antarctica is the real thing.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
BrandorKP do you think that all the complicated analysis you posted last page basically boils down to "people on the ground, if they're paid enough to care and are being paid attention to, can better respond to consumer trends that arise organically"?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I do wonder how Walgreens is so continuously expanding so fast. I feel like I could make all those Starbucks jokes from the 90's about Walgreens in the 2010's.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
So landlord greed is more to blame than actual sales collapse? Color me shocked.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
So retail is in free fall for some partially unknowable reason and the retail sector employs more Americans, percentage wise, than ever before: has there been anybody talking about how this could lead to Bad Stuff?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
One of the first things a corporation does when it's spooked by bad reports is cut labor costs, and those jobs don't come back.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Cicero posted:

Actually, companies hire people when demand is high enough to necessitate additional employees. The more you know!

When business is up after a dip companies are usually pretty down to paper over labor needs with "seasonal" or temporary workers, yes. Then, very begrudgingly, part timers if they absolutely have to. These employees have very different jobs than all the full time workers who got shitcanned during the downturn.

Speaking of retail especially.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
If you want to know something that is not completely depressing that is going on with a dead mall, look no further than what has happened to Southeastern Pennsylvania's Granite Run Mall, currently being repurposed into the Promenade at Granite Run.



Essentially, the mall was shaped like an upside-down Y, with three anchor stores. The mall has gone out of business even though two of its anchor stores are still around. Also there's a stand-alone clothing store and grocery store in the mall complex that are still doing fine. This company is going to bulldoze the mall concourse and retail space that connected the anchor stores together and replace it with parking and go for sort of a mixed-use complex thing with shops and apartments peppered around the overall site.

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MIDDLETOWN >> As a township resident and the chairperson of council, Mark Kirchgasser views the Promenade at Granite Run from two different angles.

No matter which approach he takes, however, he likes what he sees.

The mixed-use development of shops, restaurants, entertainment, a medical office building and apartments, augmented by the existing department stores and supermarket, is replacing the former Granite Run Mall. The highly-anticipated town center, a project of BET Investments of Horsham, is generating the type of buzz heard 43 years ago when the mall came to the site.

"I get questions all the time about when it will open," said Kirchgasser. "Whenever we (Middletown Township Republican Party) put updates on our Facebook page, we get 20 times the number of hits we usually get."

Approved by council in November 2015, the redevelopment of the 58-acre site is the culmination of a project begun two years earlier when BET Investments acquired the property. The one-time place to be after classes ended at Penncrest High School, the mall had been in decline for a number of years, unable to attract tenants and shoppers.

This will be a huge facelift," said Kirchgasser at the time of the vote. "For us, this is the beginning of something that has been needing rehabilitation since the late '90s."

The overall size of the development will be reduced from approximately one million to about 820,000 square feet. About 350,000 square feet will be devoted to retail, with an open courtyard surrounded by higher-end stores and restaurants connecting existing tenants Boscov's and Sears. A Frank Theatre Cinebowl & Grille, combining multiple screens, 10-pin alleys and a restaurant, will occupy the second floor location of the former JC Penney.

The storefronts are nearly 85 percent leased and tenants will be announced in the spring. Some retailers are expected to open late this year, while others will debut in the first quarter of 2018, according to published reports.

The stand-alone Kohl's, Sears Auto Center, Acme and PennDOT driver testing/licensing facility on the outskirts of the parcel will be joined by a 7,000-square-foot Children's Hospital of Philadelphia pediatric office.

With the demolition of the mall complete and the final land development plans filed with Delaware County, BET Investments may begin the permitting process with the township. A substantial amount of site work is underway throughout the parcel, such as retaining walls, footings for the promenade and grading for phase one of the apartments. Construction of the latter will begin with a 176-unit, four-story luxury building on the former ChiChi's restaurant pad fronting Route 352. The one and two-bedroom units, with an average monthly rental of $1,750, are slated to be available in the fall of 2018, according to published reports.

The plans show a total of 400 apartments, with the remainder being built on the Oriole Avenue side of the tract. The existing AMC movie theater will be razed.

The overall project will be completed within the recommendations of the design guidelines manual prepared by BET Investments and its engineering firm, with input from the township. The design review committee, whose members include Township Manager Bruce Clark, couinselor Susan Powell and town planner/landscape architect Tom Comitta, will serve in an advisory capacity regarding the aesthetics of the project, such as types of exterior materials, windows and roof treatments.

While the apartment dwellers will no doubt renew their driver's licenses every four years, they won't need their sedans and SUVs to navigate their environs. Promenade at Granite Run has been designed as a walkable community, surrounded by a trail connected to the township building and library. The developer is also planning to install an overpass between Acme and the apartment buildings so shoppers can easily stock up on groceries in inclement weather, according to published reports.

"The town center will provide passive transportation," said Kirchgasser. "People will be able to ride their bikes to the Elwyn train station, the future Wawa train station or Ridley Creek State Park."

For those who endured the deterioration of Granite Run Mall, watching stores close as their leases expired, the wrecking ball was welcome. As residents try to envision the actual development based on engineering plans and artist's renderings, it is an image they enjoy creating.

"The visual effect is real," said Kirchgasser. "When people look at the rubble, they can visualize what is coming."

The financial impact of the Promenade at Granite Run will begin in 2018. Council approved a 6.25-percent reduction in property taxes for the current year, decreasing the millage from 1.6 mills to 1.5 mills and the typical tax bill by approximately $20.

Past revenue from the mall allowed the township to accrue a surplus, driven by increases in real estate tax revenue and the business privilege tax, which will be applied this year. The benefit will begin again in 2018 with the property's increased assessed value and mercantile tax collected on a per transaction basis, which will also offer relief for residents on the tax burden from the Rose Tree Media School District, said Kirchgasser.

"The increased assessment and mercantile tax amounts will only get better," he added. "Late 2018, 2019 and beyond will really benefit us."

http://www.delcotimes.com/business/20170107/town-center-to-bring-new-life-at-granite-run-mall

Now I think this sounds awful but I'm not exactly sure why.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
About the parking, they are talking about two department stores, a massive bowling alley, a huge movie theater, apartment buildings, restaurants, and God knows what else. But yeah, I think the whole thing sounds completely unwalkable and unsuited to any sort of experience other than park car, go to thing, leave thing, return to car.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Halloween Jack posted:

Granite Run was my wife's teenage hangout mall and she was very sad to see it in such a dilapidated nigh-abandoned state. I bought a shirt from that Boscov's on the way to a wedding.

Shopping in a mall is the zombie experience. That's just being on-the-nose about the metaphor.

Like, alternate idea: get people to pay for a spin class. The bicycles power a radio that just repeats "The Matrix has you" over and over.

2 of the 3 anchor stores in Granite Run, including the Boscov's, are still up and running, and the whole thing is the site of a many millions of dollars public/private business venture under construction right this second. Tell her not to be sad!

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
This is way off the topic of the thread but how would you actually ban MLMs in the USA? What laws at the federal or state level would make a difference?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

FistEnergy posted:

Best Buy keeps posting solid profits and their stock has jumped up again.

I don't get it because they seem like a total dinosaur to me, and since I stopped working there in 2003 I've probably been into one a handful of times.

Boywhiz88 was right all along.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Boywhiz88 posted:

I just argued that some of us in Geek Squad legitimately care about the people that we serve. Hubert just got the rest of the company in line with that vision. I've eased up over the years, and do my best not to talk about BBY or GS on SA. Good to know that GBS thread is burned into people's brains.

EDIT: it's been touched upon in here but Joly gave us a great vision. He understood that the salespeople are the backbone, and if they're happy and trained then they can do good work. Geek Squad has benefitted from providing a comprehensive online support experience, it's constantly changing and it's so much better than when I started in this position back in '12.

You're still the shilliest shill who ever shilled on the internet.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

SalTheBard posted:

I work for a large Optical Chain. Its been crazy how much we've been impacted by online glasses sales. I'm worried about the future of this company because we are getting crushed right now.

I hope it's Visionworks.

Wait all optical chains are awful. And don't tell me it's just the online glasses retailers, you can get wonderful glasses and an exam at Walmart or, if you've got more money, Costco.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I was a Lens Crafters consumer between 2002 and 2014 and I can tell you they suck. I don't hate you, I don't necessarily want you to lose your specific job, but there's no reason my poor eyesight should cause me to be gouged. If instead of not seeing well, I was constantly spewing feces out of my eyes, I wouldn't want some assholes giving me disingenuous arguments about how amazing their eye poo poo funnels were and how nobody would notice my constantly spewing eyes if only I bought their brand.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
No love for just boiling some grounds with some water in a saucepan and then drinking it through your teeth like a humpback whale sucking down plankton?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Speaking of actual retail, don't malls have to climate control even when they're not open? If you're a mall owner, isn't heating and cooling gigantic mall concourses even when nothing is open a huge expense?

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Plinkey posted:

Where I lived in CA cigarettes from the safeway on one side of the street were about $1.50 a pack more expensive than from the walgreens on the other side of the street because that street was the dividing line of the incorporated/unicorporated part of the city it can get pretty absurd.

Philadelphia is very incorporated with its nearest Pennsylvania neighbors, where there's a million places you wouldn't notice the city line if you weren't looking for it, and cigarettes are $3 more in the city and soda is like 40% more. Just thinking of two gas stations across a two lane street from each other which is totally a thing.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
When was that attitude ever justifiable??

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
You don't work, you don't eat, is a maxim for murderous penal camps. We have evidence of Neanderthal burials of disabled people who definitely needed to be supported by others their whole life. You're thinking of extreme survival situations, which are an aberration, not the normal day to day.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Walmarts in the middle of nowhere are usually incredibly clean and tidy and staffed by people who don't seem on the verge of self-immolation.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

FCKGW posted:

Most of the Sears are closing in the next 3 weeks too, that's fast.

http://searsholdings.com/docs/010418-store-closing-list.pdf

Haven't they been closing the stores without closing them? Like when somebody remains in a job instead of retiring but stops doing any work.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Paradoxish posted:

If it's true that people don't want to buy books, then it's a new trend. Younger people read more than older generations, so if there's some overall decline in reading that's happening then it's something unique to the last year or two


So people are both reading more and more likely to buy books than borrow them from a library.

People either want the cheapest price for an item they've already researched exhaustively, to peruse an endless panoply of extremely cheap things they might need, or enjoy a full fledged "retail experience" where they drink coffee and wave their hands around. That's it.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Crow Jane posted:

In my experience (I only worked at independent places, can't speak for corporate or chain joints), restaurant and bar owners, whether in a cynical way or not, tend to really push the "we're a family here!" thing. Which... some families are better than others. I ended up getting guilted into doing a lot of poo poo that was absolutely not worth doing for $2.75/hr+tips, either because I really liked, or was really afraid of, the boss that was asking.

Yeah if I'm continually late to dinner my parents aren't going to loving fire me from my position of son.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
There's a half dead mall in the Baltimore area that has a weird place that's just for sitting. It's just a hole in the wall with really uncomfortable and dirty dining type tables and chairs under harsh fluorescent light with nothing for sale and no decoration. Wander in and sit as long as you like. It's like a little Greyhound bus terminal with no buses.

Also the food court features a place that makes keys.

As far as I can tell this mall will exist forever as long as the DMV that is in it for some reason and the movie theater don't leave.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Halloween Jack posted:

IME it's actually easier to stop in Delaware en route to the Philadelphia area than to try to get in and out of DC. And I can buy everything I want in one big box store, mostly for better prices than in VA, even before sales tax.

I know which Total Wine you're going to, it's the one located 200 feet south of the PA border with the parking lot filled entirely with cars that have Pennsylvania license plates.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Motronic posted:

Which is the same one I go to. And everyone else in SE PA.

I'll have to start looking for neckbeards.

I keep expecting the PLCB to send a few mortar rounds over the border onto the place, it's got to keep an ungodly amount of dollars from going to the state just on its own.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Essentially every single piece about blaming millennials comes down to the fact that millennials don't have any drat money, including this one. "No wage, only spend!" Forever and ever and ever.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
It's the end of late fees forever.

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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Fishmech I posit that Wilmington, Delaware, qualifies as a city under all the most stringent definitions.

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