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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

PT6A posted:

A lot of delivery services here are either quite expensive, have a terrible/incomplete selection of products, or rely on you being at home at an arbitrary time to accept the delivery.

Delivery services in the UK are the opposite of this from my experience. You pay a small fee (£4 or so) and then get to pick a delivery slot window (usually 2 hours) in which the items will be delivered. The available of windows is huge though; any time from 8am to 10pm, so its easy to fit into a schedule to be home for it. And every item in the store is online - even down to fresh bakery products.

It seems to work reasonably well because almost ever major supermarket chain I'm aware of offers it.

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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Management hating unions is fairly understandable, but the brainwashing of the American working class to hate unions has been quite the (awful) achievement. Pretty much anyone, in almost any job, would objectively be better off in a unionized workplace up until they hit mid/upper management level.

I've worked in tech in Europe for American multinationals and its always hilarious seeing American HR departments trying to get their head around having to respect employee rights in their EMEA offices. A minimum number of hours between shifts? Having to pay overtime? Maternity/paternity leave? Having to actually have a legally justifiable reason for firing an employee? 6 weeks a year of paid leave?! etc

The even funnier part is when the US employees begin to hear about the rights their European co-workers get, and begin to question why they don't get them. Thats what demonizing unions and socialism gets you guys - the right-to-work.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Screwing over large multinational corporations in tiny, almost certainly never going to be legally punished ways, is to be applauded. The fact it saves Heliogabalos money is just a nice side benefit.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

This type of loss is what is used to justify the prevalence of food deserts in "high theft" areas. He's literally the reason kids in London are getting scurvy in 2016-2017.

The man stealing trivial amounts from large multinational corporations is literally the reason kids in London are getting scurvy. Not bad parenting. Not the gutting of public services by a series of right-wing governments. Not the general decline in welfare of the working class.

If anything, by doing his part in the battle against capitalism Heliogabalos is on the side of the poor kids in London suffering from the effects of globalization.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

Yes entities, not even those bound by capitalism, attempt to minimize loss. His actions result in such attempts. The easiest way to prevent produce loss (already a thin margin) in high loss areas is to not offer it.

No, I think you'll find the easiest way to prevent kids getting scurvy in London is by not having an awful neoliberal government that guts welfare and education spending.

If more of the population took action against large multinational corporations there would be less of them in existence. And less pro capitalism, anti-working class, politicians getting their campaign donations from said corporations.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

The companies are using the same line of reasoning as our criminal extraordinaire.


Is there an argument here or are you yelling at clouds?

The argument is you're a horrible person for trying to put the blame for children having scurvy on a poor individual stealing pennies from a large multinational corporation. Instead of blaming the system / politicians / corporations that are actually responsible for it.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Submarine Sandpaper posted:

The goon criminal lives in a demographic where there is produce and if you want to dismiss individual culpability under capitalism that extends to the 1% you stupid idealist.

The "goon criminal" as you describe him is doing his part to fight the system and help poor people. What are you doing?

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
A lot of the boomer generation in Europe who worked government jobs retired on Defined Benefit pensions. Both of my parents only worked for 30 years, and will receive 27 years of half their final year (ie top) salary if they live to the current average age of death - more if they live longer or life expectancy continues to increase. And probably longer than that too because they're middle class, and never did manual labour, have good health standards etc. And the yearly money paid increases with inflation.

The terrible maths of this (from a government perspective) boggle of my mind. I'd love to know how much each retired worker will end up costing the government, far in excess of their contributions.

Our generation is really getting screwed in comparison to sweet deals like that. No more DB pensions on offer anywhere, just Defined Contribution.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

El Mero Mero posted:

Really both generations are getting screwed, because those pensions were often carved out under the assumption of a world with expanding governments bringing on new people who could/would pay the way for retirees. Instead, almost no new people are being brought on, or there's a "2-4 out, 1 in" situation where retirees aren't replaced.

It's a structural situation that's slowly strangling most governments since without new employee contributions offsetting retiree benefits, governments are having to fund more of those retirees out of their operating budgets. This in turn makes them less able to provide services, hire new people, etc and that drives public backlash which cuts budgets even further.

The strangulation of services as a structural problem is going to hit too slowly to actually hit boomers properly. My parents are both 15 years into their leisurely retirement, after retiring in their 50s... They and most of their age cohort will be dead before the system properly breaks.

I don't think the boomers are anywhere near as screwed as millenials/Xers, who will almost certainly be working until age 70. And who'll also suffer the structural problems long before then on top of that.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
uber is good for consumers, but (mostly) terrible for its drivers. The old taxi company monopolies were (mostly) good for their drivers, but terrible for consumers.

Theres probably a healthy middleground somewhere in-between those two scenarios that doesn't screw anyone too badly that we might find in the future, with a bit of luck.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Snorkzilla posted:

I just loaded up a cart full to the top with my monthly grocery shopping at Meijer. I got to the front of the store to checkout and only the self checkout lanes were open. I asked the guy working up front if I could have a regular lane opened up and he flat out refused. If he'd offered to help me with the self checkout, especially the produce part I'd have stayed. But no. I told him I was leaving and he'd have to have all my items put back. He was OK with that. This was at 6:00 AM on a Saturday. Is this just how it is now?

I can use a self checkout obviously but I don't feel like I should have to. The checkouts at this store are notoriously unreliable with scale issues. Maybe this explains why I was only one of two customers in the entire store.

Am I being unreasonable or does retail just want to hang itself?

If you're too much of a Luddite to operate basic self checkout machines then you probably shouldn't go grocery shopping at 6am on Saturday mornings. You're lucky the shop was even open, nevermind having staff available to handhold you through a very simple process.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Snorkzilla posted:

So I should have stayed and what? Spent an hour at that stupid scanner getting more and more angry? I wasn't given any other options so I left. I really don't put up with crap and try to avoid getting my blood pressure up over something I have no control over.

An hour to use the self checkout tills? Really? Those things are designed to be idiot proof. If it takes you that long to use them the problem is probably with you.

How long did you spend driving to another grocery store, going in, and picking out a whole new grocery shop of goods? I'd wager that easily took longer than the five minutes (at most) that it would have taken to use the self checkout tills. So you managed to both waste your own time, as well as poo poo on some poor minimum wage employee's day, with your little tantrum.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Presto posted:

Yeah this wouldn't be a pain in the rear end at all.

There are lots of companies that will do this now for you. You just drop whatever items you don't like off at the store and they take care of all the hassle for you. ie:

https://www.happyreturns.com/

Magic Hate Ball posted:

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. How much money do you have that you can just order three of everything? If I want a shirt that costs $20 I'm not paying a loving $40 security deposit.

Unless someone is buying $500 jackets its pretty reasonable to buy multiple sizes of something. Most adults with jobs can afford to spend $40 to get it refunded a week later.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Presto posted:

Or I could just go to the store and find the right size/style. :shrug:

Theres often a better selection, at better prices, online for a lot of items though.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
I always found it really strange how so many apartments come unfurnished in the US. In most places in Europe, anywhere you'd rent as a person under 30 comes with Ikea-standard furniture. You don't have as much control over decoration I guess, but when you're at a stage of your life when you're likely going to be moving home/country for education/work every 2-3 years it just saves so much hassle. No dealing with lugging around furniture, renting u-hauls, having to buy/replace/give away lots of furniture every time you move etc.

Its generally only when you settle down long-term and buy a house/start a family that you invest in your own large furniture. Which seems fairly logical - at that stage you're likely to be remaining in one place for far longer periods of time, so the extra control over decoration is worth the hassle/lack of flexibility.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Anyone who says without work they'd have nothing to fill their days with is a terribly unimaginative/boring person. Between hobbies, exercise, self-improvement, and friends and family its not hard at all to fill every waking moment with something interesting/fun/rewarding to do.

Instead of 9 hours spent commuting to/from work, and being at work, an average day can involve an hour or two of reading, an hour of exercise, a few hours of socializing, a few hours of quality time with your family, a few hours of doing a hobby... its very easy to fill up.

I find the sentiment is far more common in America, where people tell themselves it to help justify their horrible work/life balance. In Europe when you're guaranteed 6 weeks+ a year of paid leave people tend to appreciate leisure time a lot more because they actually get to experience a reasonable amount of it.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
The fact that the MoA is located in a city where its pretty much impossible to be outside for 4-5 months a year has probably helped it a lot too. People in Minneapolis definitely get cabin fever as the winter goes on, the MoA is at least big enough to seem almost-kinda-outside in comparison to being inside an office or house.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

gtrmp posted:

Fast food at least technically qualifies as food, even if it is often dangerously unhealthy. Tobacco is an extremely toxic and addictive poison with zero possible beneficial effects other than "it makes you feel good, but not as good as a bunch of other recreational drugs that are totally illegal despite being vastly less likely to kill you".

Tobacco made using the sniper rifle in Metal Gear Solid easier. We can only presume that was based on empirical medical evidence, Konami wouldn't lie to us.

The current poor person junkfood diet in the US is horrifying in regards to its sugar content, though. Theres nothing "natural" as fishmech calls it about eating massive amounts of sugar. Up until the last 100 years it just wasn't something humans did, and its something we've proven completely unable to handle biologically.

With smoking rates dropping like a stone in most of the developed world sugar is on track to be a much bigger health concern for this century.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
A lot of business owners also remember to cook the books on the 'income' side of things, but forget to do so on the 'expenses' side of things. Because its harder to do the latter - getting suppliers to agree to take cash, to sell you stuff off the books etc. If your sandwich joint is buying enough food supplies to sell 500k sandwiches a year for example, but you're only telling the taxman you're selling 250k... you're going to court.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Without chip and pin is it not really easy in the US for unscrupulous types to just go on a credit card spending spree and then claim their card was stolen and get it all refunded?

Chip and pin usually makes it a little harder to engage in fraud, at least.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

learnincurve posted:

It also means that when an elderly person, who gets free travel, gives you evil looks and gets overprotective of their shopping you can point to the dog and say “he paid for his seat”

This bus ticket has quite a lot going on here including capitalism and our payment system. (I’m not doxing myself it’s the second leg of a journey to Rother Valley)





The five McDonald’s vouchers on the back of the ticket are worth more than the cost of the ticket.

This is blowing my mind slightly. I mean, I guess logically it makes sense. But the mental image of a ticket inspector asking to see the dog's ticket is just a bit crazy.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Depends on what you mean by "better." That isn't profitable.

"better for society" seems a pretty reasonable way to define "better".

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
The lack of paternal/maternal leave in the US is particularly shocking. Its one thing hating lazy poor people and building your society around that, but no parental leave completely screws over the middle class too.

It should be 1 year of paternal, 1 year of maternal across the board. Let a couple take 6 months together, then alternate 6 months each to get the baby up to 18 months.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
If it means tens of thousands of more tech workers in the Virginia office instead too its probably good for America as a whole. Moving another load of Democrat voters there will help keep the state blue for presidential elections, and its two senators Democratic.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Going from $60 an hour ($2400+ a week, $125k a year) to $40 an hour ($1600+ a week, $83k a year) as someone in their mid/late 20s is not a reasonable life complaint. The problem there is not low wages, they're both comparatively extremely high. The problem is the $200k of college debt.

Fix the college system, pay pharmacists less, charge poor people less for their drugs. Everyone wins.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Paradoxish posted:

I don't think you fully read that:


That person isn't working full-time at $40/hour, so I'm guessing their pay is nowhere near $83k/year. Declining pay combined with declining and inconsistent hours definitely seems like a problem. At 40 hours per month the person in that quote isn't even making $20k/year.

Edit- It's also weird to automatically assume someone with an hourly pay rate is working 40 hours per week. Almost everyone that I know who isn't salaried and who works full-time works between 30-35 hours per week. The only people I know who do 40 hour work weeks are salaried.

40 hour weeks are the common average week in almost every professional white collar job, its a pretty safe general assumption to make.

I did read that. I struggle to believe that most fully qualified pharmacists are only working 10 hours a month. If they were, people would stop going into the industry rapidly. The new lower salaries hes moaning about, for anything approaching a full time job's hours, are still shockingly high compared to what 90% of people in their 20s earn.

It should be perfectly possible for someone in their 20s to survive on less than $40k in anywhere outside of San Francisco and NYC in the US, if they aren't crippled by hundreds of thousands of dollars in government debt. The problem here is his insane college debt level, not salaries in his profession moving from $125k a year to $83k a year.

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Liquid Communism posted:

Stop championing a race to the bottom.

Yes, people without enormous debts 'can' survive on less money. There is no reason to make them do so other than increasing the amount the employer can profit off their labor.

Moving from getting paid $60 an hour to $40 an hour is not a race to the bottom. The latter is still an extremely livable wage - its moving from the 97th income percentile to the the 90th income percentile in the US for someone in their late 20s, like the person being quoted. When pharmacies are paying pharmacists such high wages the costs are passed onto people who can afford them even less: the working class, retired, or unemployed people who need prescription drugs.

The solution is not "ensure every college graduate gets paid over $100k per year in their 20s so they can pay off their massive debt", because the money from that for the most part doesn't come from corporations profits - it comes from the pockets of working class people who are nowhere near the 97th, or 90th, or even 50th, income percentile.

In more reasonable countries students can study pharmacy without getting into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. They can then be paid a wage closer to the median income and not struggle financially, and the poorer parts of the population can then pay less for their drugs. The massive over-payment of medical professionals is a big factor in the US healthcare system being so expensive and awful for poor people.

Blut fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Aug 30, 2019

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Invalid Validation posted:

The problem is you’re advocating for corporations rather than the worker and if you’re doing that you done hosed up. Jeff Bezos could find universal healthcare himself but instead of advocating him pay the loving bill you think workers are being overpaid for being in their 20s.

Dameius posted:

Another way to put it is that the difference between $60 and $40 per hour doesn't end up as savings for the customer, but just extra profit for the company since customers were already paying when labor was $60.

No, I'm advocating for the poor and working class instead of the overpaid white collar professional. If pharmacists insist on getting paid $125k a year then its not the pharmacy owner whos going to pay the extra salary costs out of their own profit, its the customers who have to pay higher drug prices to cover it.

Most of the rest of the developed world pays its medical professionals significantly less, because they're not a) burdened with hundreds of thousands of dollars in college debt and b) not under the expectation that earning hundreds of thousands of dollars per year is what they're due. And as a result, massive savings are made in their medical systems. Which benefit poor people, who then pay less for their drugs and healthcare.

Defending the income level of someone in the 97th income percentile is pretty much the definition of "if you’re doing that you done hosed up".

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
Dinner and a movie in a cinema is also still just a very reliably enjoyable relaxed date. I know couples of any age from 15-75 who do it.

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Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Lambert posted:

Physical games are great, because you can sell them after finishing and get a good portion of your money back.

When I was big into gaming as a teenager reselling games was a huge help for funding it. When I was finished with a game I was always able to sell it on for anywhere from 20-60% of its value, depending on who I sold it to, how new it was, how much I paid etc. And I could obviously buy second hand games myself too, which helped a lot as well.

Is there any way to do that with digital downloads these days? Resell a CDkey equivalent or something? If not, paying full retail price for every game, and never being able to sell them on, must get very expensive.

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