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Owlofcreamcheese posted:http://www.businessinsider.com/where-donald-trump-stands-on-weed-legalization-2016-11 So this would be the one thing Trump said that we can take to be true? Or maybe: U.S. Attorney General Nominee Jeff Sessions Likely Changing Federal Cannabis Policy quote:Although the details surrounding the alleged meeting are in no way clear, at least not at this point, industry experts do seem to think it is possible that the new U.S. Attorney General could be planning to void the Cole Memorandum – a set of guidelines used by the Obama Administration to explain its “hands off” approach to the legal cannabis trade.
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radical meme posted:So what's the level of concern here, if any, that our new law and order President is going to unleash AG Sessions to crack down on all these people violating Federal law? It might be low-hanging fruit in that he would have a good legal case but it's not low-hanging fruit in that it's very politically unpopular, there is no demographic group out there that supports federal raids on the legal marijuana market. Even the evangelicals don't really care about weed much anymore and strong opposition mostly comes from law enforcement and weirdos like Kevin Sabet. That said, all evidence points to the fact that Sessions himself is a drug warrior and might be interested in doing it just because he personally thinks it's a good idea. I very much doubt that Trump would encourage him to do something that's very unpopular around an issue he probably doesn't really care much about, I think it all comes down to how much Sessions personally desires to pick this fight.
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NIDA is having trouble coming to grips with the new Monitoring the Futures report:quote:American voters and legislatures increasingly are allowing medical and adult recreational use of marijuana, but as home-growing spreads and retail stores open, younger teens are reporting the scarcest availability in at least 24 years. Also quotes noted shitlord Kevin Sabet who is trying to spin the stats in his favour: quote:"This year's results should be a wake-up call to all of us," says former presidential drug policy adviser Kevin Sabet, leader of the national anti-legalization group Smart Approaches to Marijuana. The news of the day though is the new Canadian report which will form the basis of their approach to regulating cannabis properly: http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/task-force-marijuana-groupe-etude/framework-cadre/alt/framework-cadre-eng.pdf Canadian liqour accelerated the decline of National Prohibition so I'm hoping the same thing will happen here. KingEup fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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MaxxBot posted:It might be low-hanging fruit in that he would have a good legal case but it's not low-hanging fruit in that it's very politically unpopular, there is no demographic group out there that supports federal raids on the legal marijuana market. Even the evangelicals don't really care about weed much anymore and strong opposition mostly comes from law enforcement and weirdos like Kevin Sabet. That said, all evidence points to the fact that Sessions himself is a drug warrior and might be interested in doing it just because he personally thinks it's a good idea. I very much doubt that Trump would encourage him to do something that's very unpopular around an issue he probably doesn't really care much about, I think it all comes down to how much Sessions personally desires to pick this fight. Trump has already indicated that he plans to be incredibly hands-off, so be prepared for his Czars to do whatever they feel like. The best hope for legal weed is that hands-off Trump allows for inter-departmental squabbles in his absence that hinders Sessions. I don't have high hopes.
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I expect the drug laws to remain hosed for some time, especially with this guy being appointed in the Trump administration: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/hypocrisy-of-legalizing-pot-undermines-americas-war-on-hard-core-drugs-general-says
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The DEA is trying to put the clampdown on CBD: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/12/14/2016-29941/establishment-of-a-new-drug-code-for-marihuana-extract A lobbyist said that support for legalization is a mile wide and an inch deep but now we're talking about a medicine that families rely on to suppress seizures and can't get you high. They are trying to strangle the small producers before a pharmaceutical company can roll out a product. They have seriously misjudged the national attitude, people might feel funny about getting high but they will take notice of sick children suffering. Dmitri-9 fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dmitri-9 posted:people might feel funny about getting high but they will take notice of sick children suffering. Only if media time is bought and then served to their facebook feeds. This is the landscape we're operating in now.
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If we can watch children die on beaches and watch their houses bombed to hell while they are covered in blood and dust, while still going hard against immigration and refugees then a child on drugs has no chance
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Dmitri-9 posted:They are trying to strangle the small producers before a pharmaceutical company can roll out a product. They have seriously misjudged the national attitude, people might feel funny about getting high but they will take notice of sick children suffering. Hey guys let me introduce you to GW Pharmaceuticals' new drug, Epidiolex quote:Epidiolex is GW's lead cannabinoid product candidate and is a proprietary oral solution of pure plant-derived cannabidiol, or CBD. the FDA trials have had really positive outcomes so far this will of course be considered different than other common CBD extraction methods because of reasons. Honestly I don't know how I feel about this as we've yet to learn how this will be affected, if at all, from the DEA ruling. This does differ from Marinol which is synthetic THC. This CBD is coming from the plant itself - I'd assume from hemp, which is still federally illegal to grow for commercial purposes. Growing for research purposes is something different - here's the latest statement regarding that: Statement of Principles on Industrial Hemp Speaking of that, I should mention the Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2015 (Senate bill / House bill) which will exclude industrial hemp from the definition of "marihuana" if passed. It still has a long way to go. Scrotum Modem fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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http://bangordailynews.com/2016/12/17/politics/recount-bid-ends-clearing-way-for-legal-marijuana-in-maine/Bangor Daily News posted:AUGUSTA, Maine — The campaign that opposed a referendum seeking to legalize marijuana for recreational use in Maine abandoned its recount effort Saturday afternoon, clearing the way for Maine to become the latest state to allow use of the drug for nonmedical purposes. Now as far as I am aware, once a citizen referendum has been verified as passed, the governor has 60 days to sign it into action otherwise I believe it goes into effect automatically. The article didn't really say much about that and LePage is all about being a douchebag, but iirc, all the laws goes into effect after 60 days automatically so I don't see why this one would be any different
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Has there been any studies in states where private growing is legal in how its affected street dealing? Just bought my first batch of seeds in MA, I'm allowed 12 plants and can give away up to an ounce per person I think per month, in 2-3 months I'm looking at having more weed than I've ever seen at once. (10-20 ounces per plant x 12 for $200). Between me never needing to buy again, giving away to half a dozen people, the 10 or so people I know who are growing and all the people they are going to supply... I don't see a lot of people left buying for hell... like 50x the cost of growing at no legal risk. Add in the ability to grow the exact strains you want for Indica/Sativa blends and THC/CBD levels vs getting got god knows what on the street I can't see being a dealer worth the risk here. Not saying it will stop but its got to have some effect.
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Toasticle posted:Has there been any studies in states where private growing is legal in how its affected street dealing? Just bought my first batch of seeds in MA, I'm allowed 12 plants and can give away up to an ounce per person I think per month, in 2-3 months I'm looking at having more weed than I've ever seen at once. (10-20 ounces per plant x 12 for $200). It's still more convenient to go to a store and buy some instead waiting however many weeks for your plants to mature, to harvest them and wait for it to dry out and then have to store several pounds of weed in your house for as long as it lasts
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Short term of course not much will change, I mean once everyone's plants start flowing. Why I asked about other states that allow self growing already.
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All subsidized housing and most lower income housing in general has no-grow lease clauses. There's still a bit of class divide there.
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Jonny 290 posted:All subsidized housing and most lower income housing in general has no-grow lease clauses. There's still a bit of class divide there. And assuming that you're cropping between 6 and 8 kilos annually off some tiny pantry room or some other place you don't really "need" (let alone a full sized bedroom pulling many more kilos), are you at that point not making enough money to not even qualify for lower income/subsidized housing? I have no idea what a kilo prices for in these markets though, or if it's possible to declare weed income without issues? I assume legalization has introduced downward pressure on wholesale pricing. If someone can speak with the voice of experience on this I'm very curious to know.
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Eviction i'm sure is the beginning of the penalty. And once you have that on your rental record you aren't renting anything any time soon. You can't just grow weed in your house and sell it. You have to enter the grow/supplier/dispensary pipeline, register with the state, pay excise taxes, have registered dispensaries that buy/resell your product, document your plants and output from seed to sale to the 10th of a gram (this is what my company provides software for), ensure it's in a facility not easily broken into, etc. Colorado, at least, is a tight ship.
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Toasticle posted:Short term of course not much will change, I mean once everyone's plants start flowing. Why I asked about other states that allow self growing already. So I live in Oregon, and it seems that it didn't really have that big of an effect. Our dispensaries are just booming. Lots of people are just not interested in doing any kind of effort (at all) for an indoor setup, especially when they prefer and higher quality grown bud. Outdoor of course has pretty limited growing periods, and if you want "dispensary quality" its still going to be a bit of work. Lots of people I've talked too about it are just too paranoid to grow outdoor, and fear (whether this is rational I don't know) it may be stolen. And it's just so drat -easy- to go to the dispensary, you just walk in and flash some ID. Then you got selections of strains, edibles, oils, whatever. It's even fun sometimes 
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Jonny 290 posted:Eviction i'm sure is the beginning of the penalty. And once you have that on your rental record you aren't renting anything any time soon. Does the state govern who you sell to, or require advance registration of who will be taking your supply? Or are you in principle free to walk into a dispensary, find whomever is in charge of acquisition and hash it all out with the proper paperwork being filed once everything is in order? And what is the purpose of monitoring plant growth/output? Does the state tax based on some component other than dry weight of cut/manicured crop?
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Hambilderberglar posted:Thanks for sharing, I've got no experience with this business in the USA, only with the quasi-legal arrangements that exist in Europe and the nuts and bolts of how America is moving forward is being watched with a lot of interest here. 7 States have legal recreational laws, and each has their own semi-complex system with wacky ideas and rules tacked on, so there is kinda 7 different answers to that. And then there are a bunch more that have medical allowance, but each have their own wacky rules as well. To my understanding, states that already had laws that allowed medical growth tend to keep a system similar to what they had (people registered to grow for sales in the medical market), while just changing around some of the rules to make it easier for the larger market. In my state you need to have everything tested by a registered lab and it can be quite the process. Here once you get registered as a medical grower, and get your product tested, then you got tons of paperwork The laws for selling, testing, and registration change can change quickly and often. Then at the end of this you usually have to get ready to make a cash exchange because banks are federal. Recently testing laws changed and some shops had to have most/much of their product retested and there is such a queue that the 1-2 dozen dispensaries in town were fairly dry for 2-3 months. Here the counties and cities of the state can make their own laws as well. In my state you are also able to grow a few flowers of your own, but you may want to plant them with time apart so you don't go over the recreational user holding limit. Laws are different for medical which still exists in my state (and is untaxed as well, but now it is quite more expensive to get the permit.) However you are allowed to freely gift to other people over 21. Differentiating state laws common grey-area technique in a few is to "gift" people weed for donating  or whatever amount for a bottle of water (but this should be getting shut down more any day now - I personally have avoided it for the obvious reasons of not wanting to deal with grey-market narcotics on craigslist). But this kind of exploitation can be found in the laws in different ways in each state.Sorry if that seemed scattered, it's just there are a lot of changing, growing, and different laws everywhere in the USA. edit: But for as complicated as all that sounds, its still a fairly easy way to make a real decent amount of cash. People are getting RICH. Rushi fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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Rushi posted:7 States have legal recreational laws, and each has their own semi-complex system with wacky ideas and rules tacked on, so there is kinda 7 different answers to that. And then there are a bunch more that have medical allowance, but each have their own wacky rules as well. To my understanding, states that already had laws that allowed medical growth tend to keep a system similar to what they had (people registered to grow for sales in the medical market), while just changing around some of the rules to make it easier for the larger market. In my state you need to have everything tested by a registered lab and it can be quite the process. For the following questions, feel free to limit your answer to your own state or what you're familiar with, I'm not expecting an encyclopedic legal brief from you or anything. Do you have any information on what is being tested? Do medical growers specifically target high-cbd strains, or others with more limited recreational capacity? Does the state or whatever entity is in charge of its medical marijuana program supply the strains or does all that remain the responsibility of the farmer? And with regards to recreational use of flowers, I assume it's not kosher then to just fill a mason jar of your own poo poo before you declare how much you yielded that crop, you have to actually designate live plants for personal use prior to harvest, and have to time that harvest to avoid having it around when you're harvesting your "commercial" crop? The money aspect is actually something that some (selfish) angst exists over here. I've only heard anecdotal evidence of what a kilo goes for in California now and if those figures are true a lot of people would take a bath on the supply side. Paying taxes on top of that would make it fairly attractive for more risk tolerant individuals to keep selling for cross-border markets or other destinations/purchasers outside of the system. Is there any information on how it gets taxed? Additionally, you mentioned banks are federal, does this impact your ability to stay banked as a dispensary or farmer? Or is the only "issue" that you have extra overhead costs to send an armored car to pick your cash up? E2: not meant to be a discussion/encouragement of illegal activity in any way shape or form. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Dec 19, 2016 |
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I'll give them a shot - realize that I'm not a 100% expert, I've done design work for dispensaries and have a (major) interest. And can only try to answer about Oregon. Most things I'm answering from can be found at https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/Pages/Frequently-Asked-Questions.aspx with a few personal experiences. You do as testing is heavily regulated by the state and even counties in Oregon, its all on a document somewhere. Medical growers are free to grow high thc or cbd strains in any way they wish, I've seen bud, concentrates, and edibles with any combination as well, including high THC with 0% CBD. Strains are responsibility of the farmer, is is often recommended to just order seeds online, there is a lot of freedom here in this regard. If there are any restrictions about it, I've never heard of them. I heard (this year) from multiple medical growers is that in Oregon (Polk and Marion county) that only when a flower has reached a certain stage (I'm not exactly sure which as I'm not a growing expert) it counts as a plant. This means you can plan carefully and use different growing techniques to have the harvest times grow quite efficiently. You don't really need to declare anything (for personal use), just have amounts within regulations if by the off-chance your landlord/the police/whoever sees it. This may of changed but is the last official thing I heard. A lot of people will have giant crop yields that go over who immediately gift it to friends. I have no idea how having a recreational and commercial crop goes The recreational limit is 4 plants per household.Recreational users in Oregon pay 25% tax, more info in the link above. OMMP card holders do not pay that tax. So often you'll see two prices listed on each jar here. There was some drama from Washington about Oregon (Who legalized some time after Washington state) having better prices/taxes and that border towns were losing business. In fact it was tax free for the first 6 months. Their original numbers in Washington border shops were "inflated" seeing that Oregon residents had no problem going up, buying the legal limit, and simply driving back. This is technically a federal crime where you are transporting illegal narcotics across state lines but.... nobody cared, and care less now that it's legal in Oregon. Some people will still come to Oregon if they feel the prices are better. Now there are so many dispensaries you have the freedom to shop around and look for deals of the day. So national banks that operate with federal regulating just don't want to deal with cannabis money for the most part, the most popular reason I've heard being that if you're holding a bunch of "drug money" the FBI can seize it. However the upside to this is that many credit unions (city/state/regionally based banks) in Oregon now are banking all this money and are doing better than ever As for trivia, its quite serious in states to not have cannabis on federal land such as national parks - police and FBI might not care as much about people shopping between Oregon and Washington, but forest rangers will often take this part of their job quite seriously.
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Growers also need to be aware that there are no legal pesticides or herbicides for marijuana, since the chemical labelling process is done by the EPA at the federal level.
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Luckily I live in the most commie area of the most commie state (Amherst Massachusetts) and the personal grow laws are amazingly lax, as I've said 6 per person/12 max, I don't have kids so didn't read much about it but I think there are some safety requirements to keep them away from your kids. No selling, can only give away. The dispensary laws for some reason are going to take 1-2 years which doesn't make much sense since there was already medical here. I've yet to hear of a landlord who cares but yeah section 8 housing and the like will most likely not allow it but you are allowed to grow for someone else. The state in general and this area especially the police generally didn't care before last week as long as you weren't lighting up in a public place. For some reason medical was starting to get leaned on from what I heard either the AMA or the state Medical boards, doctors were starting to get stingy with issuing cards for fear of reprisal. Rushi posted:I heard (this year) from multiple medical growers is that in Oregon (Polk and Marion county) that only when a flower has reached a certain stage (I'm not exactly sure which as I'm not a growing expert) it counts as a plant. This means you can plan carefully and use different growing techniques to have the harvest times grow quite efficiently 18 Hours light/6 dark to keep it in a vegetative state, can keep it like that as long as you want but will have to trim it unless you want a pot tree. Things can grow 1-2 inches a day. 12/12 light/dark and it will flower.
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Toasticle posted:18 Hours light/6 dark to keep it in a vegetative state, can keep it like that as long as you want but will have to trim it unless you want a pot tree. Things can grow 1-2 inches a day. 12/12 light/dark and it will flower. Where I am from, lights are illegal at all (but this prohibition is widely flouted), so as long as one stays inside the personal plant limit (5) you're kosher no matter what stage the plant is in.
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Hambilderberglar posted:Is there a legal/practical rationale behind not deeming a plant kept under 18/6 light legally a "plant"? Some states specify "flowering" plants.
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Legalization/decriminalization still means that you can get fired for failing a test that screens for marijuana, right? I don't think it supersedes at-will employment?
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Pollyanna posted:Legalization/decriminalization still means that you can get fired for failing a test that screens for marijuana, right? I don't think it supersedes at-will employment? Correct
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Ardlen posted:Growers also need to be aware that there are no legal pesticides or herbicides for marijuana, since the chemical labelling process is done by the EPA at the federal level. If you're growing indoors, you shouldn't have much need for pesticides or herbicides, should you? Even outdoors, I would think that with a dozen or fewer plants to care for, you could find some way to avoid the need for chemicals (though I don't know that much about gardening, least of all cannabis).
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Cockmaster posted:If you're growing indoors, you shouldn't have much need for pesticides or herbicides, should you? Even outdoors, I would think that with a dozen or fewer plants to care for, you could find some way to avoid the need for chemicals (though I don't know that much about gardening, least of all cannabis). Yes, especially when dealing with clones from outside sources. Though a lot of the solutions are natural, rosemary oil/extract for example.
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Cockmaster posted:If you're growing indoors, you shouldn't have much need for pesticides or herbicides, should you? Even outdoors, I would think that with a dozen or fewer plants to care for, you could find some way to avoid the need for chemicals (though I don't know that much about gardening, least of all cannabis). If you're willing (or needing to) use chemicals, Vertimac or some off-brand variety of it is what I've seen sprayed most often in Europe. Or some paranoid individuals dunk their clones before potting them over. Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Hambilderberglar posted:Is there a legal/practical rationale behind not deeming a plant kept under 18/6 light legally a "plant"? I'm not actually sure, but in sure in hell is convenient - Its possibly because in a lot of states you could already grow hemp and it helps avoid grey areas there. Pollyanna posted:Legalization/decriminalization still means that you can get fired for failing a test that screens for marijuana, right? I don't think it supersedes at-will employment? Depends where you live! Washington DC for instance, has limits/rules on jobs testing for cannabis. http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/first-read-dmv/DC-Bans-Pot-Testing-of-Job-Applicants-284660911.html In places like these, for instance, you can sometimes still be tested AFTER becoming employed with them (common say if your job requires operating heavy machinery). Rushi fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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Jonny 290 posted:Eviction i'm sure is the beginning of the penalty. And once you have that on your rental record you aren't renting anything any time soon. Are you familiar with other general erp software? Lot tracking from raw material to final assembly is standard practice in aerospace for quality purposes and I'm wondering if I shouldn't be moving to a state with legal weed and changing industries
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Toasticle posted:Has there been any studies in states where private growing is legal in how its affected street dealing? No idea, but I know someone who sells in a place where it's now legal to grow your own, and he hasn't seen any decline in business. Growing lovely weed is super easy, but growing really good weed that can compete with commercial grows takes a lot of time and effort and upfront costs, and I think most people just don't care that much, especially people who smoke an eighth a month.
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EX250 Type R posted:Now as far as I am aware, once a citizen referendum has been verified as passed, the governor has 60 days to sign it into action otherwise I believe it goes into effect automatically. The article didn't really say much about that and LePage is all about being a douchebag, but iirc, all the laws goes into effect after 60 days automatically so I don't see why this one would be any different I don't live there or know anything about Maine law, but this appears incorrect: Maine Constitution, Article IV, Section 19 posted:Section 19. Effective date of measures approved by people; veto power limited. Per the news stories about state officials announcing recount results, I guess that ten days starts to run today. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Dec 21, 2016 |
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http://www.pressherald.com/2017/01/03/gov-lepage-says-hes-signed-off-on-legal-marijuana/ LePage has signed it, though it looks like he's asking for a suspension of the ability to legally sell until they can figure out infrastructure
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Ireland is lurching toward legalizing medical, my understanding is it'a looking pretty probable for 2017. Likely to be overshadowed in the news by Canada (very likely) going full-legal later this year, but still a positive step: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-cannabis-legalise-medical-marijuana-vote-a7451411.html%3Famp?client=safari Several of the candidates for France's presidential race this fall have come out in support of legalization or decrim, so that's another one to watch: https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2017/01/06/marijuana-legalization-in-europe-is-france-next/?client=safari Italy continues to hover over the edge of legalizing, not sure what political events would have to occur for that domino to finally fall... EDIT: Gallup just announced their October poll shows 60% of Americans in favor of legalized recreational. For contrast, it was 12% in 1969 and around 25% in the 80s and mid-90s. http://www.gallup.com/poll/196550/support-legal-marijuana.aspx TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Hot drat, the governor of Guam just submitted a proposed law legalizing cannabis entirely in the territory: http://www.postguam.com/news/local/calvo-submits-marijuana-bill/article_5173e2c0-d700-11e6-a3d3-834690076b77.html As once TCC poster pointed out, Guam is right near a bunch of really strict anti-weed Asian countries, so this could do interesting things for tourism.
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