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The only actual argument the anti-legalisation ghouls have left is "This isn't the weed you smoked 30 or 40 years ago, this is weed that is so strong it's essentially an opiate/psychedelic" And honestly that's a good argument because it feeds into Boomer narcissism and their fear of the present. But it doesn't seem to be taking hold as strongly as they need it to.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The only actual argument the anti-legalisation ghouls have left is "This isn't the weed you smoked 30 or 40 years ago, this is weed that is so strong it's essentially an opiate/psychedelic" And honestly that's a good argument because it feeds into Boomer narcissism and their fear of the present. But it doesn't seem to be taking hold as strongly as they need it to. That's because it doesn't feed into the Boomer narcissism of being the toughest, hardest generation ever.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The only actual argument the anti-legalisation ghouls have left is "This isn't the weed you smoked 30 or 40 years ago, this is weed that is so strong it's essentially an opiate/psychedelic" And honestly that's a good argument because it feeds into Boomer narcissism and their fear of the present. But it doesn't seem to be taking hold as strongly as they need it to. Last year we were supposed to have a family reunion where my aunt proposed that all the Boomer parents and Millennial kids have some newly legal Illinois weed together. I was CRUSHINGLY disappointed it got cancelled due to pandemic, cause I couldn't wait to see my aging-hippie aunts and uncles and dad all get destroyed by their first weed in decades. Hope we can still do that.
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HappyHippo posted:https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1384518315377401857 Is he actually introducing the loving bill or just talking because I'm reeeeaaaaalll sick of hearing "hey this is a thing we're totally doing guys"
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https://www.opb.org/article/2021/01/29/idaho-ban-legal-marijuana-state-constitution/quote:Keith Graves told the committee he was a member of a group of retired police officers in Idaho who left California, Washington and Oregon. He said those states went downhill with crime and other problems after legalizing marijuana. So Idaho wants to be the first state to Definitely Not Legalize Weed, and this is my early pick for dumbest loving drug war quote of 2021. loving Mississippi has a medical bill making its way through process. Potatoland, less so.
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That's too bad. I've always wanted a place out in eastern ID near Targhee. Do they realize how many tax dollars are funding Oregon's schools instead? https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/18/ontario-oregon-marijuana-481211
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Cabbages and Kings posted:this is my early pick for dumbest loving drug war quote of 2021. You haven’t seen Sabet’s latest though: https://www.newsweek.com/countless-lives-have-been-cut-short-marijuana-opinion-1584819 KingEup fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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KingEup posted:You haven’t see Sabet’s latest though: Just a world encompassing piece of poo poo
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KingEup posted:You haven’t seen Sabet’s latest though: This is a Bad Take but I think the Idaho quote is more broke brained. That is -- Cannabis is a profoundly mind altering substance, it can definitely be addicting and cause both psychological and physiological addiction, and I do not in any way question the idea that some small number of lives are cut short or made shittier by the existence of pot. The main reason that's a brokebrained argument to me is that you need to weigh those cases against the profound social harm of prohibition and the number of lives cut short by the judicial system and trigger happy cops. Put differently, it doesn't take much to convince me some teens commit suicide who would not have if they hadn't discovered drugs including weed, but, it would take a lot to convince me that isn't a staggeringly lower number than the number of Americans killed by cops during traffic stops that start "I smell weed...". Also I think antidepressant use in teenagers quite strongly correlates to an increased suicide risk especially during the ramp-up period, and, as someone who was subjected to unwanted psychiatric drugs as a teenager.... where's Sabat's freak out about THAT? On the other hand, the Idaho quote is just ludicrous on the face of it because it has an even stronger denial of reality, plus some magical idea that Idaho can somehow remain the Last Bastion Without Marijuana when that ship has clearly sailed. I'm arguing shades of stupid, though. edit: and lol I scanned the first 2 pages of comments on that CNN piece and they are all making fun of it Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 23, 2021 |
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Pot likely causes an uptick in suicides for similar reasons antidepressants to. Marijuana is often a self medication solution, and with antidepressants there is a subset of people who had ideation but didn’t have the energy to follow through, and the antidepressants gave them the energy but weren’t quite enough to stop the ideation.
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It's also possible it causes a reduction in suicides: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4232164/quote:Results. After adjustment for economic conditions, state policies, and state-specific linear time trends, the association between legalizing medical marijuana and suicides was not statistically significant at the .05 level. However, legalization was associated with a 10.8% (95% confidence interval [CI] = −17.1%, −3.7%) and 9.4% (95% CI = −16.1%, −2.4%) reduction in the suicide rate of men aged 20 through 29 years and 30 through 39 years, respectively. Estimates for females were less precise and sensitive to model specification.
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https://twitter.com/MattFriedmanNJ/status/1407321372284567556?s=20 https://twitter.com/MattFriedmanNJ/status/1407331901199851531?s=20 What the hell is wrong with these people? Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Lawman 0 posted:https://twitter.com/MattFriedmanNJ/status/1407321372284567556?s=20 Usually racism, religion, fear of change or some combination of all three.
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It doesn't sound like a permanent ban, more like a "buying time" ban so they can get their own local regulations in place. May be in bad faith, but honestly makes sense considering what a clusterfuck the state-level process has been.
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Honestly not going to consider weed legal in this country until all weed charges are expunged and anyone in jail on weed related expenses is released, and also it's not really legal until I can walk in to Costco and buy it by the bale.
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Doctor Nutt posted:Honestly not going to consider weed legal in this country until all weed charges are expunged and anyone in jail on weed related expenses is released, and also it's not really legal until I can walk in to Costco and buy it by the bale. Agreed, agreed, agreed. The Costco bit might be eventual and state by state (you can get liquor in grocery stores in some states, in other states it would seem insane if you asked where the rum was), but it's ridiculous that there's people in jail and they amount to political prisoners.
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Yeah there's still dry counties and things I don't think you're ever going to get WEED LEGAL EVERYWHERE. But all Americans being able to enjoy marijuana in some form in their homes without fear, that's absolutely within the realm of possibility.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/marijuana-seized-california-billion-drug-bust-illegal-cultivation/ California law enforcement seized 16 tons of weed at an illegal grow op out in the desert. But that's not the most important part of the article, the most important part is this quote: quote:"We're talking about the cartels," Lancaster, California, Mayor Rex Parris said at a Wednesday press conference. "We are not talking about mom and pop people selling marijuana that they grew in their backyard. If the idea of ma and pa wholesomely growing their good ole-fashioned weed is truly here, I'm down for it.
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I mostly lurk these days, but for those who may remember the days when I had the health and energy to be a shouty person, I lobbied and protested hard to try and get legal cannabis. I'm now 6 weeks into a legal private 'Harley Street' (they rent offices by the hour in a rent an hour building) clinic. It cost £100, and I have access to prescribed cannabis via a number of legal online pharmacies starting at £5/g going up to £13.75/g with an ever growing selection. Some of it is like pond weed and has even been mouldy in certain batches, although the market is stamping hard to stop that ever happening again, but some of it is loving incredible. The whole system is an Orwellian nightmare, and it can sometimes take weeks or months to get your prescribed medication.... *BUT*.... I can legally vape out in the open now. If the police ever arrest me, again, they have to give me access to my herbal vapouriser and top shelf super lemon haze and various indicas whilst in the custody suite. If I drove a vehicle, my license would also be safe. While it is still illegal to drive while under the influence, you cannot have your license taken away for testing positive if you have a legal prescription. The two are completely different, with the first having to be provable beyond reasonable doubt. There was an HGV driver who won their license and job back in a landmark case. Others have had their jobs reinstated and provisions made for them to medicate at work etc. etc. The lifting of that fear of arrest/prosecution/eviction/imprisonment for the crime of simply wanting to feel as well as I can be is quite a major thing. It's like a massive weight has been lifted off my shoulders. It's hard to explain unless you've been arrested multiple times and been through the court system before. But back to the UK legal prescription, many of you reading this will be as equally eligible as I am. In a nutshell, if you have a serious health condition that's been recognised by a specialist or GP, and you've tried at least two conventional medications, then you can be offered cannabis flowers or cannabis tinctures. Pretty soon you'll also be offered e-cigs, medibles, hash and allsorts, but there are a lot of hoops that the importers have to jump, especially post Brexit. But the choice is growing all the time, and with it, the competition between the various companies. Quality is going up, and the price is gradually coming down. Initial consultations can cost anything from £50-£250 depending on the clinic. By law, you have to have at least one follow up consultation every three months, which is a legal requirement for prescribing unlicensed controlled drug. They can cost £40-£<????>. Some clinics require you to pay them a  [White Widow x Amnesia Haze, Super Lemon Haze and Critical Mass, but now with a pharma name and pot] Does it sound complicated? Yes, it's a framework designed by greedy Canadian venture capitalists, Tory and Lib dem hierarchy, and all their greedy chums for them to be as rich as possible and still control the market. It's a protection racket, but its mere implementation has meant that the walls of prohibition are crumbling. It's difficult and time consuming now for the police to know for sure if someone is legal or not. There are more and more empty legal pots entering the black market. People are already counterfeiting the various cards, paperwork and pots for their own wares. There's no going back now. I can openly vape weed in the park now, and there's gently caress all anyone can do about it. I'm also sufficiently medicated with some pretty decent weed  There's a great community run wiki resource listing the requirements, process and various clinics and prices https://cannapedia.org.uk/ A growing community is establishing itself on reddit too https://www.reddit.com/r/ukmedicalcannabis/ There's also a discord if anyone needs any realtime non-official advice about the legal proces https://discord.gg/wNSJexQJWq I've helped a load of goons already via discord and PM and elsewhere. I though it would be easier (for everyone all around) if I shared it all in a public post. In the long run, it's no more expensive than buying off of the black market. You are just paying into a protection/extortion racket.  
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That's a really great and informative post Fuct, thank you. I remember being surprised seeing those expensive little CBD oil vials in my local chemists, there's been very little official information out there and this may be very useful for myself and some friends of mine. I'll pass it on.
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Baka-nin posted:That's a really great and informative post Fuct, thank you. I remember being surprised seeing those expensive little CBD oil vials in my local chemists, there's been very little official information out there and this may be very useful for myself and some friends of mine. I'll pass it on. Yeah, it's come a long way since CBD was marketed in shops. Many people are unaware about the growing legal market. I've helped friends with anxiety to cancer get a legal prescription, and it's been life changing for so many people. Create as many ripples as you can, and get the message out there But the system is ridiculously crazy. I'll throw a few random factoids about how crazy it is. 1. You aren't prescribed the right to buy cannabis, you are prescribed specific cannabis medicines, either tincture or flos (flower) using their pharmaceutical name. Each specific strain from each manufacturer has a different name and medicine type. So if you are prescribed 'x', and it's out of stock, you can't switch to another strain without normally having to pay £50+ for a follow up 5 minute zoom consultation to discuss changing your prescription, and you might have to wait 4-6 weeks depending on specialist to get that. 2. The police can and will confiscate any medicine that's not in its original packaging, so there are cases where people have had their legally prescribed medicine confiscated by the police as they were stored in glass jars - even though the patients had the paper prescription and empty legal pots to show the officers. The same goes with any legally purchased cannabis that is over the date of the use by date. 3. Quality control. There isn't any, except the good faith of the pharmaceutical companies. It's getting better, but there are still some atrocious moldy batches coming through. They get quickly identified, and there have been recalls already, but it's still happening. There is also the growing online community that's acting as a voice, and will soon have some kind of official union representation. Things should be better, but they aren't, yet. 4. The UK is one of the biggest producers of medicinal cannabis. None of that cannabis is available to any UK person as it's all exported to places like Canada, Germany and Israel, so all of our cannabis has to be imported. My current prescription is made of cannabis that was grown in Canada, Israel and Germany and imported to the UK via the EU. I could go on... Think of Orwell... but Orwell on weed. Heh.
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The juxtaposition of prescribed strains, import only, but public use/driving being technically ok is mind boggling to me. In CO it's easy to get a medical card via a short doctors appointment that definitely doesn't end up costing the equivalent of £250, and then you basically have a discount card that gets you lower prices on anything a given dispensary has, whatever strain or product. We grow all the weed here. It's illegal to drive under the influence or use in public, but lord knows how they'd even check. Overall I'm so glad it's getting better in the UK, I can imagine how it must feel watching the loving United States of all countries get more liberal laws than Amsterdam in places (Amsterdam has places you can go and smoke a joint and get something to eat though, that's got to be the gold standard). I'm not a detective by trade, but I'd guess the mold issues are coming from importing weed from all over instead of using the king's.
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I'm not going to lie, the whole process is surreal as gently caress and it still feels weird vaping outside. The entire framework is bizarre and self contradictory in so many ways, and I can understand how bizarre all of this must look from more tolerant countries. i.e. I know of someone who is going through the court process for growing cannabis for their own use, and who now has a legal prescription. He's able to vape legal The system was imposed on us by Canadian venture capital money, a crooked mate of David Cameron, Danny Alexander's and Nick Clegg's old Downing Street team, and chosen establishment types who were given permission to feed out of the trough. They literally purchased the media, set up situations (Like those 2 kids mentioned earlier. They put those and other kids' lives in danger unnecessarily), and they even purchased a long running story in Coronation Street whereby they were able to condition the public into accepting that cannabis was good, but not the illegal cannabis - it has to be the safe cannabis from pharmaceutical companies. Illegal cannabis would turn you insane, get you stabbed, lose your kid and parnter, job, home, reputation and liberty etc. etc. They even created their own 'grass roots' medicinal cannabis organisation that was just there to push through the corporate plans. They took over the entire scene, but that was mostly due to the media just reporting about that group. It no longer exists, and their website is a portal for selling Canadian CBD oils now. It;s an unfair market. Certain people don't medically qualify who should qualify. Many people simply can't afford to go through the process who should very much have access to medicinal weed. It should be made available for free, or at the very least, cost, and people should also have the freedom to grow and be able to socially supply without profit. We have a long way to go. But we're slowly getting there. In the meantime, I'll be visually vaping outside a supermarket somewhere in Devon. 
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That sounds like what almost happened in the US, in the state of Ohio. The state government had worked out a deal to give a company partly owned by a former member of a boy band (98 Degrees, which you are not obligated to remember, think N*Sync or Backstreet Boys but even worse) essentially total control of the state market. Didn't happen, but got real close. We're clawing our way towards federal legalization; Chuck Schumer, a big wig in the Democratic party, just came out and announced it will be a priority, but who knows if that's true or what it will look like at the end if it is. e and the idea of vaping in court, or the police being required to give you weed while you're in jail, had my jaw on the floor lol
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Inspector Hound posted:e and the idea of vaping in court, or the police being required to give you weed while you're in jail, had my jaw on the floor lol They won't be given cannabis though, but legally prescribed medicine made by a pharmaceutical company. It may look like Super Lemon Haze, smell like Super Lemon Haze and even be produced from Super Lemon Haze seeds, but it's not Super Lemon Haze. It's Spectrum Therapeutics Red 2 18%, and a totally different thing. Look, it says so on the label, and the government have given permission for Spectrum Therapeutics to sell their It all becomes crystal clear if you just stop thinking about it.
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^^ haha sweetfuctifino posted:it's a framework designed by greedy Canadian venture capitalists, Tory and Lib dem hierarchy, and all their greedy chums for them to be as rich as possible and still control the market. It's a protection racket, but its mere implementation has meant that the walls of prohibition are crumbling. It's difficult and time consuming now for the police to know for sure if someone is legal or not. There are more and more empty legal pots entering the black market. People are already counterfeiting the various cards, paperwork and pots for their own wares. There's no going back now. I've been bumming a fair bit lately about the racket bit, so thanks for sharing that it's resulting in actual good things for the people. I'm in Alaska, where in the '70s the courts legalized home grow / personal use. We've had legal commercial now for almost 5 years. During the ballot initiative, there was some opposition saying "keep money out." Probably some of that was just dickhead prohibitionists using whatever argument they can, but I can see some truth to it. Of course there's some cool old hippy farmers who get to come out of the shadows, that's rad. But there's also, it's not even the people doing it, just the pressures of money that, it might as well be bitcoin. More more more, higher higher higher, faster faster faster. Bigger grow rooms, more electricity, more lights. For what? So people can do 1 g dabs? Do you actually get higher than we did doing a gravity bong with black market mids? Anyway, me being a grumpy old man aside, it's nice to know there's some tangible benefit out there.
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Cannabis legalisation is making it harder to arrest black people: https://twitter.com/stevetransform/status/1455989926458273802?s=21
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Good, I also see that it was finally made legal to own grow and use in Mexico with sales being the sole prohibition left. Small steps.
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Hello, folks. Just wanted to see if this was a correct thread to post proud plant papa pics in? I just got my rdwc system fully functional with legally registered babies yesterday, and would love to share/get advice from you folks! shahadien fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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shahadien posted:Hello, folks. Just wanted to see if this was a correct thread to post proud plant papa pics in? There's a great megathread in TCC that is exactly what you are looking for. Best of luck with your babies!
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Baka-nin posted:Good, I also see that it was finally made legal to own grow and use in Mexico with sales being the sole prohibition left. well, they're for sure dragging their feet on that one
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Germany might get legal recreational weed: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/germany-set-to-legalize-marijuana-nationwide-after-major-parties-reach-agreement/ This would be the first country in Europe to have for-real legal recreational marijuana, I think?
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Cicero posted:Germany might get legal recreational weed: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/germany-set-to-legalize-marijuana-nationwide-after-major-parties-reach-agreement/ Malta just legalised recreational cannabis about an hour ago. Law has to be signed by the president to come into force, but that's usually a formality. https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/cannabis-bill-approved-in-parliament-in-first-for-europe.921310 quote:The bill makes it possible for those who use cannabis to legally grow and purchase buds and seeds for personal use. edit: Malta is kind of a basketcase of a country, charitably speaking, and functions despite itself and the best efforts of its politicians, but I hope this thing gives momentum to other EU countries a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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What sucks about Malta? Visited once and it was mostly pretty awesome.
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