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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I mostly lurk these days, but for those who may remember the days when I had the health and energy to be a shouty person, I lobbied and protested hard to try and get legal cannabis.

I'm now 6 weeks into a legal private 'Harley Street' (they rent offices by the hour in a rent an hour building) clinic. It cost £100, and I have access to prescribed cannabis via a number of legal online pharmacies starting at £5/g going up to £13.75/g with an ever growing selection. Some of it is like pond weed and has even been mouldy in certain batches, although the market is stamping hard to stop that ever happening again, but some of it is loving incredible. The whole system is an Orwellian nightmare, and it can sometimes take weeks or months to get your prescribed medication....

*BUT*.... I can legally vape out in the open now. If the police ever arrest me, again, they have to give me access to my herbal vapouriser and top shelf super lemon haze and various indicas whilst in the custody suite. If I drove a vehicle, my license would also be safe. While it is still illegal to drive while under the influence, you cannot have your license taken away for testing positive if you have a legal prescription. The two are completely different, with the first having to be provable beyond reasonable doubt. There was an HGV driver who won their license and job back in a landmark case. Others have had their jobs reinstated and provisions made for them to medicate at work etc. etc.

The lifting of that fear of arrest/prosecution/eviction/imprisonment for the crime of simply wanting to feel as well as I can be is quite a major thing. It's like a massive weight has been lifted off my shoulders. It's hard to explain unless you've been arrested multiple times and been through the court system before.

But back to the UK legal prescription, many of you reading this will be as equally eligible as I am.

In a nutshell, if you have a serious health condition that's been recognised by a specialist or GP, and you've tried at least two conventional medications, then you can be offered cannabis flowers or cannabis tinctures. Pretty soon you'll also be offered e-cigs, medibles, hash and allsorts, but there are a lot of hoops that the importers have to jump, especially post Brexit. But the choice is growing all the time, and with it, the competition between the various companies. Quality is going up, and the price is gradually coming down.

Initial consultations can cost anything from £50-£250 depending on the clinic. By law, you have to have at least one follow up consultation every three months, which is a legal requirement for prescribing unlicensed controlled drug. They can cost £40-£<????>. Some clinics require you to pay them a dealer tax repeat prescription fee. There are also various schemes like T21 which can mean medicine is £5/g instead of over double that. I only understand 50% of it all. I just applied one night with the Sapphire clinic, and in a month or so I had access to this:


[White Widow x Amnesia Haze, Super Lemon Haze and Critical Mass, but now with a pharma name and pot]

Does it sound complicated? Yes, it's a framework designed by greedy Canadian venture capitalists, Tory and Lib dem hierarchy, and all their greedy chums for them to be as rich as possible and still control the market. It's a protection racket, but its mere implementation has meant that the walls of prohibition are crumbling. It's difficult and time consuming now for the police to know for sure if someone is legal or not. There are more and more empty legal pots entering the black market. People are already counterfeiting the various cards, paperwork and pots for their own wares. There's no going back now.

I can openly vape weed in the park now, and there's gently caress all anyone can do about it.
I'm also sufficiently medicated with some pretty decent weed :)

There's a great community run wiki resource listing the requirements, process and various clinics and prices https://cannapedia.org.uk/

A growing community is establishing itself on reddit too https://www.reddit.com/r/ukmedicalcannabis/

There's also a discord if anyone needs any realtime non-official advice about the legal proces https://discord.gg/wNSJexQJWq

I've helped a load of goons already via discord and PM and elsewhere. I though it would be easier (for everyone all around) if I shared it all in a public post.

In the long run, it's no more expensive than buying off of the black market. You are just paying into a protection/extortion racket. ;)

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jul 16, 2021

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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Baka-nin posted:

That's a really great and informative post Fuct, thank you. I remember being surprised seeing those expensive little CBD oil vials in my local chemists, there's been very little official information out there and this may be very useful for myself and some friends of mine. I'll pass it on.

Yeah, it's come a long way since CBD was marketed in shops. Many people are unaware about the growing legal market. I've helped friends with anxiety to cancer get a legal prescription, and it's been life changing for so many people. Create as many ripples as you can, and get the message out there ;)

But the system is ridiculously crazy. I'll throw a few random factoids about how crazy it is.

1. You aren't prescribed the right to buy cannabis, you are prescribed specific cannabis medicines, either tincture or flos (flower) using their pharmaceutical name. Each specific strain from each manufacturer has a different name and medicine type. So if you are prescribed 'x', and it's out of stock, you can't switch to another strain without normally having to pay £50+ for a follow up 5 minute zoom consultation to discuss changing your prescription, and you might have to wait 4-6 weeks depending on specialist to get that.

2. The police can and will confiscate any medicine that's not in its original packaging, so there are cases where people have had their legally prescribed medicine confiscated by the police as they were stored in glass jars - even though the patients had the paper prescription and empty legal pots to show the officers. The same goes with any legally purchased cannabis that is over the date of the use by date.

3. Quality control. There isn't any, except the good faith of the pharmaceutical companies. It's getting better, but there are still some atrocious moldy batches coming through. They get quickly identified, and there have been recalls already, but it's still happening. There is also the growing online community that's acting as a voice, and will soon have some kind of official union representation. Things should be better, but they aren't, yet.

4. The UK is one of the biggest producers of medicinal cannabis. None of that cannabis is available to any UK person as it's all exported to places like Canada, Germany and Israel, so all of our cannabis has to be imported. My current prescription is made of cannabis that was grown in Canada, Israel and Germany and imported to the UK via the EU.

I could go on...

Think of Orwell... but Orwell on weed.

Heh.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I'm not going to lie, the whole process is surreal as gently caress and it still feels weird vaping outside. The entire framework is bizarre and self contradictory in so many ways, and I can understand how bizarre all of this must look from more tolerant countries.

i.e. I know of someone who is going through the court process for growing cannabis for their own use, and who now has a legal prescription. He's able to vape legal extortion-racket prescribed cannabis in a safe place in a court building while being prosecuted for growing.

The system was imposed on us by Canadian venture capital money, a crooked mate of David Cameron, Danny Alexander's and Nick Clegg's old Downing Street team, and chosen establishment types who were given permission to feed out of the trough.

They literally purchased the media, set up situations (Like those 2 kids mentioned earlier. They put those and other kids' lives in danger unnecessarily), and they even purchased a long running story in Coronation Street whereby they were able to condition the public into accepting that cannabis was good, but not the illegal cannabis - it has to be the safe cannabis from pharmaceutical companies. Illegal cannabis would turn you insane, get you stabbed, lose your kid and parnter, job, home, reputation and liberty etc. etc.

They even created their own 'grass roots' medicinal cannabis organisation that was just there to push through the corporate plans. They took over the entire scene, but that was mostly due to the media just reporting about that group. It no longer exists, and their website is a portal for selling Canadian CBD oils now.

It;s an unfair market. Certain people don't medically qualify who should qualify. Many people simply can't afford to go through the process who should very much have access to medicinal weed.

It should be made available for free, or at the very least, cost, and people should also have the freedom to grow and be able to socially supply without profit. We have a long way to go.

But we're slowly getting there.

In the meantime, I'll be visually vaping outside a supermarket somewhere in Devon.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Inspector Hound posted:

e and the idea of vaping in court, or the police being required to give you weed while you're in jail, had my jaw on the floor lol

They won't be given cannabis though, but legally prescribed medicine made by a pharmaceutical company. It may look like Super Lemon Haze, smell like Super Lemon Haze and even be produced from Super Lemon Haze seeds, but it's not Super Lemon Haze. It's Spectrum Therapeutics Red 2 18%, and a totally different thing. Look, it says so on the label, and the government have given permission for Spectrum Therapeutics to sell their Super Lemo Red 2 18% to patients who have paid the relevant protection money....

It all becomes crystal clear if you just stop thinking about it.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

shahadien posted:

Hello, folks. Just wanted to see if this was a correct thread to post proud plant papa pics in?

I just got my rdwc system fully functional with legally registered babies yesterday, and would love to share/get advice from you folks!

There's a great megathread in TCC that is exactly what you are looking for. Best of luck with your babies!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

https://njmonthly.com/articles/jersey-living/not-in-my-town-many-new-jerseyans-resist-marijuana-dispensaries-close-to-home/

There's a local politico who is quoted in that article as saying that a weed shop in his town will lead to "gangs on the street"

In 2022

We had these letters in the Times or Telegraph newspaper the other day

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

e: wrong thread

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

The Thai government has been encouraging households to grow their own cannabis, and they are even supplying the clones to do so. So there's not really the market anymore for industrial sized grows for the Thai black market.

Saying that, I can see Thai companies growing cannabis for other markets. Much of the UK medi weed is grown elsewhere.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Mr. Nice! posted:

Biden just announced he’s pardoning all federal pot possession convictions, urged states to do the same, and is working on rescheduling.

Here's a link to the full statement. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/10/06/statement-from-president-biden-on-marijuana-reform/

This is loving huge, and I'm so happy for you over the water. This can only lead to better things.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

It's a step in the right direction, but of course there is still a long way to go.

My own country's Conservative police and crime commissioners were proposing making cannabis a class A substance at the Tory party conference the other day. Their proposals failed miserably, but there's definitely a push towards more criminalisation than legalisation coming from the evil shits in power in the UK. Hopefully Biden's statement will make other countries have a rethink too...

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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

It will always be a thing until we get the thing done. Then we'll start working on dumbass rules like not being able to grow your own.

I lobbied hard in the UK for a GYO framework to exist alongside the pharmaceutical model, but the venture capitalists had already purchased the laws in advance and the last thing they wanted was for people to become self sufficient.

So because profit is the driving force behind this new legal market, there are hardly any sativa dominant options due to the longer flowering times needed. The UK black market is also very dry for strong sativas for the same reason, but I'd have hoped that a framework which pretended to cater for sick people would actually cater for sick people.

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