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May 20, 2006

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I would find it so odd to see New Jersey legalize yet leave New York behind. I'm sure the overwhelming majority of NJ Weed would end up right in NYC.

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What's Pence's take on legal weed?

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That's an incredibly myopic view. He's correct but there's also prosecutorial discretion.

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Nevvy Z posted:

He spent the entire thing dodging giving any kind of opinion on laws he'd have to enforce.

He could start enforcing federal marijuana law but putting people in Federal Prison for a crime that perfectly legal in their own State will not play out well in court of Public Opinion. It's exactly why Obama and even Bush looked the other way.

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

Other than, you know, Gonzales v Raich.

I stand corrected.

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What can they do? Local, State authorities may certainly decline to enforce Federal Law but aside from that there isn't much that may be done.

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TapTheForwardAssist posted:

On the State level? People can harass their federal reps to do something; the Rohrabacher-Farr amendment has been a huge help, so just having Congress put a leash on DOJ/DEA/etc is huge.

For the state itself, refusing to enforce federal law is much more than a small contribution. If Texas just stops arresting 70,000 people per year for cannabis possession, it's not like the US Marshals are going to arrest 70k to make up for it.

The Feds have (and can continue to) have a really chilling effect on legit cannabis business, but if the states don't do the majority of the work enforcing the drug war, the Feds are limited to high-level busts, or wasting huge amounts of limited time and money on minor busts.

Users would undoubtedly get away but it would be painfully easy for the Feds to arrest and shutdown recreational marijuana shops, growers and suppliers. No amount of legal muscle would be able to change anything and the industry would disappear overnight.

Sessions seems to still have been rather quiet on the subject and given the current administration problems marijuana is low priority.

Hopefully it stays that way.

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Who the hell still calls weed dope?

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Any idea on how the US will respond? In the past they've pushed against Mexico and other South American Countries from legalizing.

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That's just going to only further piss off people that are already pissed off with Trump as president.

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The only folks against continued drug decriminalization and legalization is only Jeff Sessions, Steve King and Chuck Grassely.


That's a overwhelming minority and prior to this ordeal Paul Ryan was even onboard with continued decriminalization.

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BarbarianElephant posted:

So... only the people with the power to do anything about it care about cracking down on legal cannabis? How reassuring.

the black husserl posted:

You're wrong. 40% of America is against legal weed, and that's the opinion that Sessions cares about. Actually he doesn't really even care about them, just his own ingrained bigotry, but he'll gladly position himself as fighting for the Moral Minority.

Republican leadership at a minimum is actually fine with decriminalization until Jeff Session and his authoritarian followers came and sniped the whole thing. Sure, maybe 40% of the Country is against marijuana legalization but only 3-4 congressmen are going to lengths of lock'em up and throw away the keys.

This is probably not the best analogy but Jeff seems to be a lot like Jon Bolton. At face value, he's a Republican but behind closed doors he's strongly disliked even in his own party.

The question is, will Trump and his own party put up with this sort of thing? Are we going we actually going to back to the "War on Drugs"?

We'll find out in the next few weeks.

Source - Unity Was Emerging on Sentencing. Then Came Jeff Sessions.

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It seems as if Sessions has mostly given up on marijuana enforcement. I was concerned as well but it appears to be a a non-issue.

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I’m sure that’ll end well d

MooselanderII posted:

Apparently the new policy would leave it to each US Attorney to figure out what to do. Anyone have any idea how that would shake out?

It depends, will Sessions just remove the policy or will he remove it and order the fed. to arrest and prosecute?

I’d bet they’d target large growers, sellers, etc. and legally-speaking there’s nothing they’re able to do.

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GonadTheBallbarian posted:

Then there's the issue of the appropriations bill not allowing money to be used for that purpose.

That’s only for medical marijuana.

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A hassle might just be growers, sellers, buyers, etc. going to federal prison.

That’s a big deal.

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A Tasteful Nude posted:

Jeff Sessions is a monster. His unequivocal goal is to hurt people. As many as he can. Black people in particular.

Sessions is simply put "Law and Order". He's already made up his mind on drug reform is quite ok with throwing whomever behind bars marijuana use.

Personally, I don't see how it'll last. It won't be too long before little Johnny runs a small side business or gets caught up with the wrong crew only find out he's going to Federal Prison. I'm sure that'll play great on the evening news along with his sobbing suburban mother outside the courthouse.

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fishmech posted:

Yeah it's not like any kids of wealthy people have gone to prison for selling drugs before, surely once that happens the drug war will end because of outrage.

That's part of the reason why it's been legalized in so many States and why Local Law Enforcement has often turned a blind eye towards marijuana. With the drug entry into mainstream it will only build more pressure on voters to remove those from office who won't bring the issue to the table.

It won't be a few kids going to jail, it's going to much more folks.

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Traffic deaths have increased but that’s been generally linked to smartphone use while driving.

That said, don’t drive stoned.

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