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akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Jonny 290 posted:

Where do you see yourself in five years?

i'm gonna be your boss

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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Boiled Water posted:

I've seen this story play out over and over. you will never see a raise with the current company. ever.

it works even in the federal government for highly paid scientists in certain organizations

they max out the gs pay scale but the private sector offers so much more so OPM can go beyond gs for people they want to keep with special procedures, you just gotta threaten to leave with an offer letter

i dunno if id wanna try in the private sector though unless you're sure you're the best thing since sliced bread

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


here is my experience of interviewing with citi

walk through room of >100 ppl silently typing away, literally no-one is talking at all
walks through another identical and also silent room
walks through a third identical and yet again silent room
finally make it to the interview room
"are you familiar with fizzbuzz"

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
i keep waffling if i want to find a new job or not, i like my job + am super good at it and could prob easily coast here until retirement but i know i would just stagnate and the pay is well below average for the area + industry. basically i dont want to go but feel like i should, what do

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
i quit because i was stable and bored and hadnt done poo poo in a year or two. it so far is proving out to be a wise decision

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

g e t p a i d

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

mishaq posted:



i dunno if id wanna try in the private sector though unless you're sure you're the best thing since sliced bread

your manager will stall you for as long as possible with promises of a raise that ultimately never comes

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Jonny 290 posted:

i quit because i was stable and bored and hadnt done poo poo in a year or two. it so far is proving out to be a wise decision

:yossame:

qntm
Jun 17, 2009

St Evan Echoes posted:

here is my experience of interviewing with citi

walk through room of >100 ppl silently typing away, literally no-one is talking at all
walks through another identical and also silent room
walks through a third identical and yet again silent room
finally make it to the interview room
"are you familiar with fizzbuzz"

quiet working environment, nice
not testing fizzbuzz until you were physically present in the office is a red flag though

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


weirdly it came after an hour long phone screener, I guess they were checking I wasn't using a cheat sheet

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

liberal arts college interviewer: "ok, so this is my first time doing this, but ill do my best."

me: "ok"

interviewer: "so, if you could have any superpower, what would it be"

Telekinesis is the only answer to this worth a goddamn.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

tfw they offer u low six figges

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



Inspector_666 posted:

Telekinesis is the only answer to this worth a goddamn.

actually its to fix any machine with a touch

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Cat Face Joe posted:

actually its to fix any machine with a touch

why not fix a machine with your mind powers?

Wrath of the Bitch King
May 11, 2005

Research confirms that black is a color like silver is a color, and that beyond black is clarity.
One of my worse interviews was at Hosting.com (back then HostMySite.com).

The interviewers were a bunch of nerds that had no idea what they were doing, and it completely devolved into them asking me questions like, "If you could be any class from World of Warcraft, which would you be?"

They offered me a gig as one of their Server hardware guys, but I didn't take it.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Bloody posted:

tfw they offer u low six figges

not even six and a half?

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Hiring is really broken in tech and i think it strongly relates to why there's so little diversity. Its very cargo cult, with many companies trying to emulate microsoft/google/facebook/etc (basically "tier 1" tech companies), which have very broken hiring processes so the cancer spreads. I've been thinking about it a lot over time due to participation in my own organizations hiring process and finding flaws.

Much of the cancer boils down to:

a) not knowing what you're really hiring for because you havent taken the time to establish what you really need

or

b) not having any objective target in mind for your hiring because you think you want to hire a "flexible" workforce

The "b" option seems to be most common in the "tier 1" tech companies, the "a" option is just the drive-by you get with some other organizations from time to time. Either way, you end up with a very subjective hiring process, or if your organization likes to have a pretense of standards, what ive come to call a subjective by committee process. It all ends up being easily corrupted by our human cognative biases. The subjectiveness of it all seems like it correlates well with the statements from a (former?) google HR manager about how their hiring process may be no better than random choice.

Without any strong objective requirements for a candidate to meet, people will just generalize to what they think will make a good hire, aka a bunch of subjective proxies, or as I've actually heard it referred to by some ivy league business school recruiters, "signaling".

Signaling is nothing new to most people with respect to academic institutions and while not all programs are created equal, I'm sure most people would agree that just hiring from a select few institutions would be pretty horrible. Proxies are an easy way to filter though, so its going to happen still (the goog is well known for being especially amenable to Stanford students, at least the past). The same goes for work history "pedigree".

The other common objective-less hiring direction become "intelligence" or "aptitude", another somewhat nebulous concept that results in more proxies being used. IQ and standardized tests dont really exist (or are questionably legal) for most job positions, so groups or individuals just kind of make stuff up on their own drawing from their own history and ideas. The output of this in the "technical" interviewing space tends to be a bunch of puzzle questions with moderate to nebulous connections to computer science fundamentals or mathematics. Especially terrible are the questions that are trivia about something an interviewer is obsessed with.

The "aptitude" portion has become such a strong meme in hiring that a whole cottage industry has sprung up around it for "interview prep", because its just as gameable as standardized testing. It also means that candidates with greater access to these resources will be more successful, just like standardized testing.

tl;dr -- hiring is terrible and broken and of course a bunch of white dudes end up hiring more white dudes to the harm of everyone involved because diversity is important and easily overlooked

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

lmao this dude thinks that you can hire people based on objective standardized parameters.

who do you want to hire, the guy that did best on the math test or the guy that seemed to be a human being you could work with?

Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

The Management posted:

who do you want to hire, the guy that did best on the math test or the guy that seemed to be a human being you could work with?

probably the math test

related, i applied for a job that had me take 2 SAT style test things, one of which i had to take while on webcam.
i got a nice email back from the parent company asking me to never apply at them or their subsidiaries ever again

Bored Online
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.
we hired bush jr cause he seemed like a guy we can drink a beer with

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
i could want to hire and have criteria for both things, its not like those are mutually exclusive concepts

but i guess i should hire people for my math test taking company based on the criteria that they're cool dudes and seem to be like me *hires a thousand white dudes*

Tatsujin
Apr 26, 2004

:golgo:
EVERYONE EXCEPT THE HOT WOMEN
:golgo:

Shaman Linavi posted:

probably the math test

related, i applied for a job that had me take 2 SAT style test things, one of which i had to take while on webcam.
i got a nice email back from the parent company asking me to never apply at them or their subsidiaries ever again

at my new job i took a remotely proctored certification test (laptop webcam and separate usb webcam watching you, proctor asks you to move usb webcam to get shots of whole room at random intervals)

partway through the test, the connection to the proctor VPN was lost, cue me sitting there for 15 min not knowing what to do bc the strict instructions regarding not loving with the test laptop. Apparently the tech people on the proctors side were trying to get a hold of someone and when I called them they were like "yeah do the thing the instructions tell you not to do, OK its fixed now." At least they were nice enough to give me the time back.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
amazon suuuuuucks do not work for them or normalize their hiring process

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

woman interview really well

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Jonny 290 posted:

amazon suuuuuucks do not work for them or normalize their hiring process

whats the lovely toxic aspect of theirs?

Tatsujin
Apr 26, 2004

:golgo:
EVERYONE EXCEPT THE HOT WOMEN
:golgo:

Jonny 290 posted:

amazon suuuuuucks do not work for them or normalize their hiring process

do tell so I may avoid

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
https://rajk.me/amazon-interview-experience/

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

hahahahaha

i swear nerds massive, fragile egos are motivating a lot of this toxic garbage as well

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.
holy lmao

quote:

The following information will be collected during the duration of the exam:
  • Your microphone
  • Your webcam
  • Your physical location
  • Your clipboard
  • Your mouse location
  • Your browser size
  • Your browser tabs and windows
  • Your head movements
  • Your eye movements
  • Your mouth movements
  • Your entire screen
  • Any website you visit
  • Any other applications running
  • Number of display screens connected
imagine trying to hire someone without knowing all of their eye movements during the exam. how could you possibly vet candidates without that information

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
and even then i could bust the poo poo out of that (casino style morse code buzzer + toe mounted tapper)

IF i cared enough to cheat

God theyre so worried about you outsourcing it, lmao

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
my six figure Salaried Bourgeois compensation is earned purely through grit and my entirely unique value for this company making CRUD interfaces, learned ex nihilo from years of watching anime unlike those loving jocks

everybody else trying to get this job is a highly suspect cheat, especially if i dont relate to them on a socioeconomic and/or behavioral level, or if they're from the incorrect ethnic group

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Elysiume posted:

holy lmao
imagine trying to hire someone without knowing all of their eye movements during the exam. how could you possibly vet candidates without that information

webcam required for employment

wow

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Holy moly I have made progress in interviewing, I have received my first non-rejection response! :sotw:

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
the purpose of your job is to get a better job

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Smythe posted:

i got my job via cronyism
saaaame. say, anyone want to crony me up a new job?

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Jimmy Carter posted:

the purpose of your job is to get a better job

what if there isn't really a better job

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

lol

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

The Leck posted:

saaaame. say, anyone want to crony me up a new job?

sure but its in boston and not good

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Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

Shaman Linavi posted:

probably the math test

related, i applied for a job that had me take 2 SAT style test things, one of which i had to take while on webcam.
i got a nice email back from the parent company asking me to never apply at them or their subsidiaries ever again

name and shame


lol

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