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big scary monsters posted:no, that's exactly the opposite of what im saying. i'm saying computer science is a badly misnamed branch of mathematics, and should probably be renamed and taught by maths departments instead of engineering faculties or whatever. then have a separate course for programming and databases and networks and so on, call it computing maybe Where did you do your cs degree ?
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The CS department where I did undergrad was under the control of math faculty for decades and sucked as a result, only when it was transferred to the engineering school did it gain accreditation and start to deliver on its promises (eg in the compilers course students wrote a compiler and not an email parser) e: of course the program still teaches mathematical theory, as accreditation requires and as it should, because the goal is not to unleash hundreds of brute-force coders on the world Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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BONGHITZ posted:top 50 BSc CS
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my bs cs
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it's always huge lols seeing a computer janitor job posting where they say the ideal candidate would have a cs degree.
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big scary monsters posted:no, that's exactly the opposite of what im saying. i'm saying computer science is a badly misnamed branch of mathematics, and should probably be renamed and taught by maths departments instead of engineering faculties or whatever. then have a separate course for programming and databases and networks and so on, call it computing maybe all of these things already exist in universities, today, dipshit
it's almost like being a yospos poster and computer programmer doesn't mean you're smarter than actual acaedmics?!
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triple sulk posted:I sent my resume out for the hell of it to one place where I could do c# remotely, mostly just to get a sense of how strong it looks to other companies these days, and had a response (presumably from the CEO) within a few hours (this is pared down in spots so as to not copy it wholesale) that sounds pretty good from an interview standpoint.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it's always huge lols seeing a computer janitor job posting where they say the ideal candidate would have a cs degree. would you rather they lied to you and claimed that was not a preference?
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Shaggar posted:that sounds pretty good from an interview standpoint. does it? i'm not gonna do a "four hour" project for free.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:would you rather they lied to you and claimed that was not a preference? i mean, i'd rather they had reasonable preferences as to what constituted a good background for computer janitoring, but it's still nice to see when HR is clueless about what the position actually requires
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:does it? i'm not gonna do a "four hour" project for free.
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lol code jobs and even computer janitoring hiring processes are getting even worse than management consulting maybe because many of these companies are made of and trying to recruit from the same demographic maybe they'll go full on explicit up or out soon
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:does it? i'm not gonna do a "four hour" project for free. um you should consider yourself lucky to be allowed to do anything at all
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I know a little HTML where's my sweet six figgie it job?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:does it? i'm not gonna do a "four hour" project for free. you're not, as soon as they hire you they'll say "we like your design best, ok now build it out, you have 6 weeks"
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Or they won't hire you but thanks we've had that little feature request on the back burner of our backlog forever
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take home projects should clearly have no practical application. I'm not doing free work for you. also you better have a pretty loving compelling position for me to even consider doing a take home project. if your recruiter hit me up and is trying to convince me to give your company a shot, there's no way I'm doing that.
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Oh boy I got some good ones - hipster newsql database startup that was literally described to me as "a loving rocket ship to kickass mountain" asked me what 2^16 and 2^32 was - take home project that was "implement literally our primary product in four hours" upon which the engineer ripped it apart over the phone and accused me of name-dropping concepts that I'd given talks at conferences about - big-name silicon valley company had an onsite interviewer just not show up, so they told me I had to come back down for an additional onsite with one interview - edit: forgot about that enterprise company that you've heard of that wanted me to work on the CTO's pet project: a custom language implemented in PL/SQL and XML (???????) i'm not exactly sure why I went to grad school but it was not for this poo poo Dijkstracula fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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The Management posted:take home projects should clearly have no practical application. I'm not doing free work for you. to me the short of it is that I've never used asp.net mvc and it should be pretty clear from my resume that I haven't. otoh, I have worked on oss and there's virtually no reason I should need to do a take home when past work is publicly visible. if someone wants to question me on aspects of it, they can go right ahead, but I'd expect them to do that any way. the funny/lovely thing is that the job posting explicitly mentioned contributions to oss yet apparently they aren't even taking it into consideration when interviewing.
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Elysiume posted:holy lmao One of the people that came to talk to our ~Data Science~ meetup was from a company who did analytics like this--basically apply online to a job, it keeps track of everything from keyboard cadence to number of edits and times spent editing each question. They claimed they did it primarily for general nurses in standard hospitals and they were able to reduce nurse churn (leaving for other hospitals) by a large percentage so if that's the only metric you care about apparently it can work!
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Dijkstracula posted:- hipster newsql database startup that was literally described to me as "a loving rocket ship to kickass mountain" asked me what 2^16 and 2^32 was LOL
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I've been working for the same organisation for 14 years. job for life. suck it. help me
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what did they mean 2^16 and 2^32? adding them? i don't get how that tests anything other than knowing middle school level math
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's almost like being a yospos poster and computer programmer doesn't mean you're smarter than actual acaedmics?! lol i am an actual academic and have worked in both cs and maths departments you're mixing the postgrad and research activities of universities, where what you say is true, with bachelors degrees, where things are a shitshow big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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fart simpson posted:what did they mean 2^16 and 2^32? adding them? i don't get how that tests anything other than knowing middle school level math <them> "what is 2^16"? <me> "65536" <them> "how do you know?" <me, internally> "because I've programmed a computer before" <me> (something about how it's 1024 times 2^6, which I know is 64) <them> "ok now what is 2^32" <me> "Four billion and change." <them> "how do you know?" <me> (something about how 2 to the 30s is in the billions, and 2^2 is 4) <me, internally> "Because I once owned a 32-bit computer and programmed it once or twice." <me, internally, quieter> "I don't think I'll continue talking to this company.
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fart simpson posted:what did they mean 2^16 and 2^32? adding them? i don't get how that tests anything other than knowing middle school level math e: "because it's the limit of integer types & therefore something to watch out for" is the correct reason btw, not the mere inevitability of arithmetic Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Gazpacho posted:Not adding them, knowing them from memory. Do you know the value limits of integer types or are you just going to overflow and give no fucks? There are jobs where that's useful to know.   quote:e: "because it's the limit of integer types & therefore something to watch out for" is the correct reason btw edit: in fact, I would say the worse thing to do is to assume that integer types are some size - as anyone knows who's had to port code from a platform where sizeof(void *) equals sizof(int) to a platform that doesn't, that's a real minefield if you get it wrong. Dijkstracula fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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The constants are to be used but they're also to be understood
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:I've been working for the same organisation for 14 years. job for life. suck it. same but I wish 14 days
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:I've been working for the same organisation for 14 years. job for life. suck it. getting there, a mix of  / /
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big scary monsters posted:lol i am an actual academic and have worked in both cs and maths departments i learned universities produce math phDs with concentrations in "theoretical" C.S. because i have to talk to those stuffed-shirt motherfuckers at work. i had never heard of it until some twerp in his 20s started trying to explain why he wasn't willing to work on anything but proofs of concept in numpy. touching code was too squeeeeeeeeeee
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Gazpacho posted:Not adding them, knowing them from memory. Do you know the value limits of integer types or are you just going to overflow and give no fucks? There are jobs where that's useful to know. i understand that i just thought he meant adding them together which didnt make sense to me
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"because it's twice 32,768"
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i applied for a place where the interview process was "we pay you to come here and work on site with us for three days" weird as poo poo but i had the time and my friend worked there so i figured hey, free plane trip back home anyway (where the job was), i'll give it a shot. and it was actually a fun three days and i got some real work done and the tech lead guy loved me, in the sense that he told me they'd be making me an offer, and this is the kind of guy who's word is god in an organization afterwards, they asked for me to write them up some paragraphs about my time there, ostensibly only to help them understand the candidate experience. it was an obvious trap, so i bugged my friend for examples of previous writeups that got people hired and tried to do my best with it. what i didn't realize was how much of a trap it was: the thing gets disseminated to the whole organization (~100 people), and any of them can use it to blackball you if they don't like it, even if you're not on any teams you'll be working on or with, or even at the site you'll be at. which is what happened to me. so i dodged a huge bullet but goddamn
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raminasi posted:i applied for a place where the interview process was "we pay you to come here and work on site with us for three days" lol that sounds pretty softball, what horrible poo poo did you end up writing??
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at the school i went to computer science is in the college of natural science along with math, physics, chemistry, biology and other sciences. there is a separate computer engineering dept in the engineering school.
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C.H.O.M.E posted:at the school i went to computer science is in the college of natural science along with math, physics, chemistry, biology and other sciences. there is a separate computer engineering dept in the engineering school. my degree's department was in the college of engineering, forestry, and natural science, op
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