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Jonny 290 posted:if you use it enough that you care about the interface, you're using cli/scripting other products are expected to have good web interfaces AND good CLIs AND good APIs for external configuration load balancers firewalls etc switches get a pass and are still a fuckin bear
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we were a nearly all-ADTRAN shop at the last place i worked at. routers and switches. they seemed solid enough? the web UI was finicky though - depending on which individual switch or router you were connecting to, it would tend to hang and not load in any timely fashion unless you used either chrome or IE. so, switch A's webgui would only play nice with chrome, and switch B's webgui would only play nice with IE. weirdNotorious b.s.d. posted:other products are expected to have good web interfaces AND good CLIs AND good APIs for external configuration our dell equallogics had an okay GUI but it required Java to run. barf
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:we were a nearly all-ADTRAN shop at the last place i worked at. routers and switches. they seemed solid enough? the web UI was finicky though - depending on which individual switch or router you were connecting to, it would tend to hang and not load in any timely fashion unless you used either chrome or IE. so, switch A's webgui would only play nice with chrome, and switch B's webgui would only play nice with IE. weird That equallogic GUI is the worst thing ever
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i like fortigate's cli where *everything* is in sections. much better than cisco's dump everything in the same scope garbage. the rest of fortigate... well it does the job until you get backdoored lol
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CrazyLittle posted:no you still have to pay that guy anyways not for people that would buy merakai the msp doesn't really need to know much either Farmer Crack-rear end posted:we were a nearly all-ADTRAN shop at the last place i worked at. routers and switches. they seemed solid enough? the web UI was finicky though - depending on which individual switch or router you were connecting to, it would tend to hang and not load in any timely fashion unless you used either chrome or IE. so, switch A's webgui would only play nice with chrome, and switch B's webgui would only play nice with adtran has a telco legacy so that poo poo has to be at least somewhat reliable and follow standards properly
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:other products are expected to have good web interfaces AND good CLIs AND good APIs for external configuration Firewalls and load balancers have decent GUIs because they often fall under the purview of non-Network people. Information Security for the former, Application/Infrastructure management for the latter. It's always expected that you'll have a network guy, but you might not have a dude doing one of the other roles I mentioned. In a small business, anyway.
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mishaq posted:not for people that would buy merakai nah, maraki gear still needs an admin who knows what to do, be it an internal guy, or an external msp. guys who don't have the baseline knowledge of how to setup a network properly are almost guaranteed to fuckup a meraki deployment.
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CrazyLittle posted:nah, maraki gear still needs an admin who knows what to do, be it an internal guy, or an external msp. guys who don't have the baseline knowledge of how to setup a network properly are almost guaranteed to fuckup a meraki deployment. you really think so? a small company with 2-3 offices that just needs some site to site vpns and remote access vpns for remote/traveling employees is pretty drat simple to set up and maintain
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mishaq posted:you really think so? a small company with 2-3 offices that just needs some site to site vpns and remote access vpns for remote/traveling employees is pretty drat simple to set up and maintain you have more faith than me then
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CrazyLittle posted:you have more faith than me then merakai makes that kinda poo poo dead simple to setup and maintain don't even need static ips
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Captain Foo posted:That equallogic GUI is the worst thing ever mlyp
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Skim Milk posted:mlyp drat I just got a victory scored over me
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Metamako? Surprisingly not that expensive, L1 switching not that great though.
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mishaq posted:merakai makes that kinda poo poo dead simple to setup and maintain yeah i know, but i've already had to fix a few meraki deployments where they did really dumb and bad things
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Cisco is your best bet overall for switches if you want something that is going to work, "no one has ever been fired for buying cisco" etc. The edge switches have always had a lot of features but it's out of control now in a good way, you can run mpls vpns to the edge with the 3650 range now if you want If you want something a bit different cumulus linux running on whatever hardware you want gives you more flexibility because it's just a linux OS running on hardware. Bad idea for the campus but probably good in the DC. Arista is similar for DC poo poo, they are known for ultra low latency switching and it's built on fedora so you can use them as servers too if you wanted Dell is basically cisco with a (in my opinion) shittier CLI and much cheaper hardware. I've never had any real problems with them and they have a good ecosystem because people really like dell blade chassis for some reason. Comedy option is Enterasys if you don't mind shitloads of hardware and software issues in exchange for a stupidly low cost
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MrMoo posted:Metamako? Surprisingly not that expensive, L1 switching not that great though. check your bean dip layers there son
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i have a rb2011 and it's fine but not for low info computer usersMrMoo posted:Metamako? Surprisingly not that expensive, L1 switching not that great though. lol 
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hifi posted:i have a rb2011 and it's fine but not for low info computer users haha! the sex number!
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Captain Foo posted:haha! the sex number!
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we have some Sophos UTM firewhales and their interface is pretty good. its a linux underneath tho
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Jonny 290 posted:just get ciscos. no, juniper, then you can learn junos instead of ios
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eschaton posted:no, juniper, then you can learn junos instead of ios 
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never got to use it in prod but Junos seems real cool
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juniper is dying, now is definitely the wrong time to invest in junos skills
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:juniper is dying, now is definitely the wrong time to invest in junos skills do you literally have an (often wrong) opinion on everything?
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mishaq posted:do you literally have an (often wrong) opinion on everything? wsj posted:Juniper reported a loss of $769.6 million, or $1.81 a share, compared with a profit of $151.8 million, or 30 cents a share, a year earlier. hey guys if we exclude the basic costs of employee compensation we almost have earnings!
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ericsson and nokia are doing terribly too, it's almost as if network/telecom infrastructure vendors regularly go through boom and bust cycles?! or i could just continue to post on a comedy internet forum opinions about everything as if i have an intimate understanding of them
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mishaq posted:ericsson and nokia are doing terribly too, it's almost as if network/telecom infrastructure vendors regularly go through boom and bust cycles?! or, maybe they're all legacy vendors eating poo poo in the face of cheaper, better commodity competition IT spend goes up every year, and switching as a share of IT spend is going up, but juniper revenue is falling. does that sound cyclical to you?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:or, maybe they're all legacy vendors eating poo poo in the face of cheaper, better commodity competition lol if you think the majority of juniper, ericsson or nokia's revenue is due to "it spend" and not "verizon/at&t/telia sonera spend"
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:juniper is dying, now is definitely the wrong time to invest in junos skills I said it was cool, idiot hell fucker
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cool, cool
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if juniper die before avaya's networking efforts i will be upset
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mishaq posted:lol if you think the majority of juniper, ericsson or nokia's revenue is due to "it spend" and not "verizon/at&t/telia sonera spend" that's a fair point, juniper says 67% of revenue comes from service providers in their sec 10k filing that makes them double-doomed then. nobody wants their enterprise garbage, their security products are a mess, and overpriced telecom gear is probably not a growth industry
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ii like aruba/hp/comware/whatever: 2900 series are great because they can do anything and they are a best bang 4 the buck in the Switch Market 2800 are good too if you dont need the flexibility of the 2900 series 2600 series is not deal breakingly terrible, but they are tainted by the java web gui even though it should never be used. 1900 series are trash poo poo because comware is crap and you have to hack your way into the cli also yeah dont use web interfaces. cli or die. a_pineapple fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's a fair point, juniper says 67% of revenue comes from service providers in their sec 10k filing they might get acquired, but junos isnt going anywhere dipshit the packets that were involved in making this post went through many juniper devices Thanks Ants posted:if juniper die before avaya's networking efforts i will be upset avaya is about to file for bankruptcy
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mishaq posted:they might get acquired, but junos isnt going anywhere dipshit well, IOS-XR isn't going anywhere, either. it will take 10+ years to phase it out. but i can guarantee you there will not be deployments at any new customers, because nobody is really interested in getting out that and selling it. even cisco would rather sell you nx-os in the event that juniper goes down, your junos skills will be valuable to a smaller customer base every year, because the acquirer will be cisco or huawei or someone else who already has a competing product couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 18, 2016 |
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vas0line posted:ii like aruba/hp/comware/whatever: the modern hp stuff is made by huawei / h3c. i have not used any of it but it surely can't be worse than pre-h3c hp was
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:even cisco would rather sell you nx-os no routers use nx-os you have no idea what you're talking about
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Lol if you don't care about latency enough to use arista.
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mishaq posted:no routers use nx-os would you prefer ios-xr?
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