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I want to know more about Noctis's home kingdom. How lovely must your country be if you send your prince on a diplomatic trip to another country in a broken down car with just one bodyguard, a chef and the Official Snapchat Host and without even a debit card to get some extra money out? Is it one of those fake countries like Sealand or Luxembourg?
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Rarity posted:I want to know more about Noctis's home kingdom. How lovely must your country be if you send your prince on a diplomatic trip to another country in a broken down car with just one bodyguard, a chef and the Official Snapchat Host and without even a debit card to get some extra money out? Is it one of those fake countries like Sealand or Luxembourg? It just got the poo poo kicked out of it in a war, they are super broke right now. From what I can tell these were the steps. Noctis Kingdom loses war badly, but manages to secure peace treaty. Part of treaties terms are that Noctis has to marry into one of the Empire's vassal states. While the final meeting about the treaty is about to happen Noct is sent to Tenebreae the vassal state to get ready for his wedding there. Noct's car breaks down on the way. Also fun fact. Regis is latin for "of the King" so King Regis is "King of the King." MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 09:23
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I think a story about an out of date boy band on a roadtrip in the south when their car breaks down could have gone a much darker direction, and if this was a western game, I have a feeling it would have.
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Dec 13, 2016 10:09
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Toma posted:I think a story about an out of date boy band on a roadtrip in the south when their car breaks down could have gone a much darker direction, and if this was a western game, I have a feeling it would have.
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Dec 13, 2016 10:16
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Toma posted:I think a story about an out of date boy band on a roadtrip in the south when their car breaks down could have gone a much darker direction, and if this was a western game, I have a feeling it would have. Counterpoint: Busting ghosts by the power of loud rocking music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEG6CgPKvgc
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Dec 13, 2016 10:19
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I hope this LP, months later, makes it all the way to The Bad Chapter and has something special prepared. You can really tell a lot of effort went into making the core combat and exploring stuff in this game as polished as they could manage it, because everything else will be... questionable.
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Dec 13, 2016 11:23
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I810BUX posted:I MADE THAT GIF you gently caress My little sister wants this shirt. Where can she get one?
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Dec 13, 2016 12:50
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Kuvo posted:I posed this question to topikal after the recording: Which company approached the other for the endorsement deal? Take a drink every time you see an example of product placement. Finish your drink if you groan, cringe or otherwise voice disgust at said placement. Proceed to die when you get to that side-quest.
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Dec 13, 2016 13:14
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MonsterEnvy posted:It just got the poo poo kicked out of it in a war, they are super broke right now. When was this back story ever told to the player? Was it in those paintings? I didn't actually read them in the video so I'm curious. Something I wanted to mention about the paintings (and combat tutorial as well), did anyone else feel like they were added way late in development? Maybe after they realized 'oh poo poo, we forgot to set up the story and setting'.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:40
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DO IT TO IT posted:When was this back story ever told to the player? Was it in those paintings? I didn't actually read them in the video so I'm curious. In the tie-in film and anime series.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:40
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Drink every time a detail comes up that you'd only know if you'd watched Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV or Brotherhood: Final Fantasy XV. Of course you can't know this so you'd better drink continuously, just to be safe.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:44
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I mean brotherhood is more just to sort of give context to the crew but the game basically presumes you watched Kingsglaive.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:48
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Why would it do that? It couldn't possibly help boost sales for Kingsglaive or FFXV because nobody who would just buy XV would know a tie-in anime existed. Are there any actually important details or is it a Mass Effect type thing where they're just like "it's THAT GUY FROM THE BOOKS! Okay bye now" all the time?
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Dec 13, 2016 14:50
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DO IT TO IT posted:Something I wanted to mention about the paintings (and combat tutorial as well), did anyone else feel like they were added way late in development? Maybe after they realized 'oh poo poo, we forgot to set up the story and setting'. I'm not sure they're necessary. They might even do more harm than good. That whole sequence really fucks up the way the opening is paced, and the game doesn't exactly throw you straight in the deep end to begin with.
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Dec 13, 2016 14:59
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Yeah I had no idea a tie-in book or movie existed. I hate when they lean on this supplemental material poo poo, just give me context for the setting in the game. 13 was bad about it too with all those boring codex pages. e: ^Agreed. The combat could have been taught with pop ups while fighting scorpions. DO IT TO IT fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 15:04
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FractalSandwich posted:Definitely that, or they were in the game for a while but were meant to be replaced with something more elegant later. And it's probably less that they forgot, and more that they ran out of time. I feel like it exists as it does because they learned the wrong lesson from people bitching about FFXIII's datalogs, and first tried to expunge as much extraneous exposition as possible, and then tried to disguise the datalogs that were left over as something that isn't a datalog. You can also completely skip the combat tutorial and lore gallery if you want, and go back to it later, even on your first time.
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Dec 13, 2016 15:06
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I don't think the supplemental media is really very necessary; it does a good job being supplemental. We already know that the four bros are all very good friends and Brotherhood will expand on that a bit. Likewise, Kingsglaive goes into some more detail on a fairly important event that happens off camera and a certain McGuffin but it's far from required viewing. The only really important thing that the game glosses over (though our LP crew did pick up on it) is that the marriage Noct journeys to enter into is a political one, and is a term of the peace treaty proposed by Niflheim.
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Dec 13, 2016 16:45
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DO IT TO IT posted:e: ^Agreed. The combat could have been taught with pop ups while fighting scorpions. It does in fact do this, even if you already did the starting tutorial. During one of those fights it popped up a window saying how to attack and defend, and at the start of another Gladio suggests point-warping to a high place. I believe the game lets you do the starting tutorial while the rest of the game is installing, so I think it's just there to give you something to do while you wait
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Dec 13, 2016 17:31
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That's weird, though: the impression I got from that lore painting at the start was that Nifelheim was still very actively at war with the protagonists' country, King King the King's barrier was the only thing keeping them out, and Noctis was being sent to marry the princess of some neighboring third party kingdom. Not that they'd already gotten their asses whooped even with the barrier. ...There's going to be even more of this kind of contradictory stuff, isn't there.
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Dec 13, 2016 17:37
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Regalingualius posted:That's weird, though: the impression I got from that lore painting at the start was that Nifelheim was still very actively at war with the protagonists' country, King King the King's barrier was the only thing keeping them out, and Noctis was being sent to marry the princess of some neighboring third party kingdom. Not that they'd already gotten their asses whooped even with the barrier. Yes, yes, and close. The game starts just as the events of the Kingsglaive movie are taking place.
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Dec 13, 2016 18:16
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Is it just me or are these names stupid even by JRPG standards? Noctis Lucis is fanfiction-caliber. Mind you, in English he could be Knight Night Light, the most metal accessory to ever adorn a toilet.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:10
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I like how them setting up camp just broke you guys for a bit, but Noctis bringing weapons out of the ether does absolutely nothing. It explains why they're totally broke though.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:10
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Regalingualius posted:That's weird, though: the impression I got from that lore painting at the start was that Nifelheim was still very actively at war with the protagonists' country, King King the King's barrier was the only thing keeping them out, and Noctis was being sent to marry the princess of some neighboring third party kingdom. Not that they'd already gotten their asses whooped even with the barrier.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:37
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JT Jag posted:My understanding is that at the beginning of this game, Lucis and Nifelheim are sort of in a cold war situation after a lengthy period of conflict, complete with their borders being completely blockaded from one another, but they're feeling out one another for peace. Noctis is being sent to marry someone who is currently a Nifelheim Imperial tributary as part of a peace treaty, and simultaneously a peace summit between Lucis and Nifelheim is being held. This is basically spot on in every way that matters.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:41
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I guess it'd be too much to expect Squeenix to go for a "Maureen from Full Throttle" level of sensible design for a female mechanic, but Jesus Christ Cindy  quote:I like how them setting up camp just broke you guys for a bit, but Noctis bringing weapons out of the ether does absolutely nothing.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:54
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Regalingualius posted:That's weird, though: the impression I got from that lore painting at the start was that Nifelheim was still very actively at war with the protagonists' country, King King the King's barrier was the only thing keeping them out, and Noctis was being sent to marry the princess of some neighboring third party kingdom. Not that they'd already gotten their asses whooped even with the barrier. The Barrier is keeping them out of the capital. But it was the only thing keeping them safe according to the lore thing at the start. Appearntly they were getting crushed everywhere else. But now the Empire is agreeing to peace. The kingdoms coffers are likely all being spent on helping the rest of the kingdom recover. Also yes this game was rushed out the door. The events of the Movie Kingsglaive were going to be in the game originally but were cut.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:59
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Man, it's kinda crazy to think about the fact that a game in development for a decade was rushed out the door or ran out of time. It's not surprising, though.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:09
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To be fair, that decade of development was like seven years of Nomura jerking off and only three or so years of another team actually making the game.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:14
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Appearntly they got almost 3 years of actually working on it.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:19
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anyone else keep thinking of primae noctis?
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Dec 13, 2016 21:27
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DO IT TO IT posted:Man, it's kinda crazy to think about the fact that a game in development for a decade was rushed out the door or ran out of time. It's not surprising, though. It's not entirely accurate to say the game was in development for 10 years, rather, it was in development hell for that time (longer, really, since by 2006 the game would had to have been in pre-production for long enough for them to produce that trailer). Squeenix's legendary ineptitude at project management caused a lot of languishing under Nomura, who was both busy working on things he cared about more (Kingdom Hearts) and not good at actually getting anything done. After the nightmare that was XIII proper and the implosion and subsequent incredibly successful reboot of XIV, the writing was on the wall, Nomura was booted from Versus XIII, the game was rebranded, and Tabata was brought in with one mission; just loving ship the thing. Then, and only then, did development proper begin, giving us about three years of actual development. Gamers did not really care about the last delays - what's two months after ten years? - but internally it must have been infuriating. It was absolutely the right call though, and while the game could have used even more time for its own sake, that's almost always true, and this seems like the best compromise between the project and corporate, who, lest we forget, were probably pretty impatient after wrangling two Florence & the Machine tracks, a tie in car, and a themed menu at Jamie Oliver's flagship restaurant.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:29
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also the parts where you talk to townspeople really reminds me of sonic 06
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Dec 13, 2016 21:33
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Fedule posted:Then, and only then, did development proper begin, giving us about three years of actual development. Gamers did not really care about the last delays - what's two months after ten years? - but internally it must have been infuriating. It was absolutely the right call though, and while the game could have used even more time for its own sake, that's almost always true, and this seems like the best compromise between the project and corporate, who, lest we forget, were probably pretty impatient after wrangling two Florence & the Machine tracks, a tie in car, and a themed menu at Jamie Oliver's flagship restaurant. Apparently there will also be free story patches/DLC. It's almost like they're cribbing off Paradox's release strategy; just get the loving thing out there in its basic playable form, then fix it up later. Not that that's a complaint per se.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:56
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This game seems to kind of own??? While I agree that the John Lennon cover of stand by me is the superior version of that song it wouldn't really fit.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:26
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Egh, I honestly feel the Lennon version doesn't hold a candle to the original.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:38
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zh1 posted:also the parts where you talk to townspeople really reminds me of sonic 06
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Dec 13, 2016 23:08
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Cid please trim your moustache, you're eating hair every time you talk, it's disgusting
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tlarn posted:Cid please trim your moustache, you're eating hair every time you talk, it's disgusting It's kind of a life hack. This way, you get to savour your meal even after you've eaten it.
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Really, though: WHY THE gently caress would you send out your son and his bodyguards without so much as some gas money for what's probably going to be one of the most important diplomatic functions in modern history (let alone one of the most important moments of his life)? Is King King really that
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Paul.Power posted:I guess it'd be too much to expect Squeenix to go for a "Maureen from Full Throttle" level of sensible design for a female mechanic, but Jesus Christ Cindy
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