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Is there a version of the OP where the aliens will gently caress people instead of killing them? This could change my answer drastically.
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no, the aliens have no concept of horniness, because they live an empty lifeHeaven Spacey posted:im pretty sure not letting them kill us to answer a hypothetical ethics question is actually the most moral choice though
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Dec 11, 2016 00:46
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rudatron is an alien and you know what this means boys VIGILO CONFIDO
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Dec 11, 2016 00:47
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rudatron posted:its not a hypothetical ethics question, it's as real as ethics questions get what is real.
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Dec 11, 2016 00:49
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Dec 11, 2016 00:51
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:rudatron is an alien and you know what this means boys poo poo!!! Heaven Spacey posted:what is real. we are the only things that exist right here just you and me ~ in this moment ~
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Dec 11, 2016 00:53
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*lobs a pipe bomb at rudatron using six civvies as human shields, vaporizing all of them* insh'allah VIGILO CONFIDO
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Dec 11, 2016 00:58
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i would kill op and everything past that is too dumb to read
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Dec 11, 2016 01:03
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if aliens come at me with a bunch of words and an intro-to-ethics thought experiment this is my answer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdhuAYlHVO0
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Dec 11, 2016 01:04
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:*lobs a pipe bomb at rudatron using six civvies as human shields, vaporizing all of them* one time playing xcom 2 i blew up a shitload of civilians with a proximity mine because there were about six of them all standing on top of a pack of aliens. i then mind controlled a gatekeeper and turned the dead civs into zombies with its revive laser, and beat the rest of the aliens to death with them. thats more moral than THIS THRED
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Spire is actually a really powerful tool that is essentially required for implementing a truly moral society, and the fact that you think spite considerations are unworthy of this "ethical experiment" indicates a rather limited understanding of the strategic nature of morality. By obstinately refusing to participate in this experiment, even though it may cost us our own lives, we reduce the incentive for immoral, otherwise unstoppable actors to continue their immoral actions. In this case, working with evil validates that evil, and is in and of itself an immoral act. Alien get out reeeeeeeeee
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Dec 11, 2016 01:38
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you already know that the experiment will only be performed exactly once, and there will be no consequences, other than the death of either/or yourself or the two others. i even wrote that out in the original scenario i know it looks like a standard trolley problem, but it's actually not, it's subtley different
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Dec 11, 2016 01:44
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wow did not read the thread but that icon is loving on point
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Dec 11, 2016 01:52
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rudatron posted:you already know that the experiment will only be performed exactly once, and there will be no consequences, other than the death of either/or yourself or the two others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfPWpEKhgfk
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Dec 11, 2016 01:54
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I hope to god whatever I ultimately did choose helped prevent the earth from joining an intergalactic federation that values garbage thought experiments over actual sociological research.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:03
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Tweet Me Balls posted:I hope to god whatever I ultimately did choose helped prevent the earth from joining an intergalactic federation that values garbage thought experiments over actual sociological research.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:04
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having looked at page two of this thread i have concluded that baloogan should be our ambassador to the stars
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Dec 11, 2016 02:10
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Tweet Me Balls posted:I hope to god whatever I ultimately did choose helped prevent the earth from joining an intergalactic federation that values garbage thought experiments over actual sociological research.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:14
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it seems to me that most sociologists don't practice science these days anyhow
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Dec 11, 2016 02:15
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rudatron posted:it doesn't actually have anything to do with sociology, that's just a plot device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsUscVoZcMQ
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Dec 11, 2016 02:17
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rudatron posted:it doesn't actually have anything to do with sociology, that's just a plot device https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5Y_eu0W0uM That makes it even worse, you sick bastard.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:20
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rudatron posted:you already know that the experiment will only be performed exactly once, and there will be no consequences, other than the death of either/or yourself or the two others. you couldnt possibly know that if you were in that situation, nor would it matter. like, if the aliens said, "we're going to blow up planet earth if you gently caress with our levers." you dont know they're going to do that. you only know thats what they told you. even if you believed them, it doesnt change your right to self-preservation. they are the executioners, not you.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:34
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You are a starving orphan in post-revolutionary Paris. You come across two other boys who have stolen a loaf of bread. Their backs are turned. A rock is nearby. Do you A) slink off and die of malnutrition, or B) bludgeon the two waifs to death and claim your prize?
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Dec 11, 2016 03:39
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rudatron posted:it doesn't actually have anything to do with sociology, that's just a plot device When does it give me time travel powers and psychic abilities
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man, just assume they can make the assurances, and that you can trust them. they use magic-technology to make those guarantees to you, and you can believe them also, this isn't about denying your right to self-preservation, picking 'right' is a valid choice for example, i would like to say that i, personally, would go left, no use, left, swear, left that is what i would like to believe about myself but i know that, if i were actually in that situation, i would go right, use, <left>, swear, right i have a lot of reasoning for either, but i'm torn which is why i made this thread because this loving thing refuses to leave me alone
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Dec 11, 2016 05:12
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A man stands up, slowly looking upwards and raising a pointing finger at the sky. "Nuke 'em"
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rudatron posted:because this loving thing refuses to leave me alone These hypotheticals are meaningless if you can assume omniscience on the part of anyone. It's like the other morality play: You can cure all disease or whatever if you murder one innocent child. Since the two actions have no reasonable causal connection, you cannot reasonably assume that carrying out the murder will produce the proffered result under natural circumstances, and therefore it cannot be justified. It isn't a thing that can ever happen, because no one can predict the future. I hate this fantastical crap.
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but the point isn't the probability of this actually happening it's to expose how morality actually works, what is the underlying logic which is why the hating on the aliens misses the point so okay, be happy that you'll never be in that situation, take solace in that, don't worry about being too defensive, but what if it where the case and, critically, what does that mean?
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Dec 11, 2016 05:32
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It means I'm no longer in this Universe and whatever I learn there has no relation to it.
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but it's not about the universe it's about you and human beings in general
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rudatron posted:but the point isn't the probability of this actually happening turns out logic can also break down when not grounded in observable reality huh
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hi OP after making the correct tl;dr decision of voting goku (yes i should have done im gay goku but shut up) i decided to read your dumb hypothetical because im retarded the answer within the narrow window you're looking through for answers is that the part of you that is scared to die is a moron you should metaphorically shoot dead. you're going to loving die someday anyway, why the gently caress should you put dying of natural causes as an old man above the lives of two other people and the chance that maybe humanity will someday live up to your example? it's ultimately best to live for something than to die for it, but since the aliens aren't smart enough to make that an option dying for something beats dying for nothing which is what you're gonna get if you bitch out on this and kill the strangers really though baloogan and everyone else going independence day are right though, the aliens in this are loving terrible and won't learn poo poo from this in the end because again, the real test is living for something at the cost of any comforts that get in the way, not just fuckin dying for something
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Dec 11, 2016 05:58
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The only moral suicide is a murder suicide
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the OP: jeez i could either live a long life knowing i basically murdered two people just like me to save my own skin or i could go down in history as a no poo poo Jesus figure, this is really loving with my head how can i choose??? i know, goons will help me make the right choice!! goons: lol gently caress your aliens the right choice is to blow them up OP: 
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Dec 11, 2016 06:15
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Left, but what if they are Republicans
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Dec 11, 2016 06:20
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rudatron's brain is the aliens and it must be destroyed
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Dec 11, 2016 06:23
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last post because uh you know the choice where you don't need that stupid lock switch to guarantee your vote to die to save those two other guys and how i mentioned that you go down in history as a Jesus figure if you do that i think you can't claim only good people would do that anymore
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I flip the switch back and forth really fast
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thank for you providing a response okay, let's accept that the aliens are evil, like i said, that doesn't matter could you please talk a bit more about what you think about both the feature, and swearing the oath? What is your answer to all the relevant questions of your choice? sacrificing yourself or killing the strangers is only half of the question
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