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Niwrad posted:The fact House of Cards gets so many nominations shows that voters are not watching much outside of a handful of popular shows. Really? Shows like The Handmaid's Tale, Atlanta, Master of None, and Feud are all on there too among the more conspicuous nominees. Also Carrie Coon got nominated for Fargo, which was a better performance and Ann Dowd was nominated for Handmaid's Tale (she crushes it in everything so whatever she got nominated for is fine by me). If you're just mad about the lack of Theroux's penis that's understandable. I'm sure it's magnificent and maybe has a Circle Jerks logo tattooed on it somewhere.
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Did you just say Carrie Coon's performance in Fargo was better than her performance in Leftovers WHATS THE SHORTCUT FOR THAT SMILIE WHERE THE FROG SAYS GET OUT
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Escobarbarian posted:Did you just say Carrie Coon's performance in Fargo was better than her performance in Leftovers She got to do more with less in Fargo, probably because it was a shorter series and more planned out than The Leftovers which left her more room to do nuanced stuff within those plans, which she is entirely capable of doing and is more impressive than responding to an evolving narrative (*). Just my opinion (and I guess the nomination committee but who knows what their specific rationale was). (*) I'm not saying she didn't do a great job in The Leftovers too, I'm just saying her performance in Fargo was more impressive.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:53
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Niwrad posted:The fact House of Cards gets so many nominations shows that voters are not watching much outside of a handful of popular shows. I dunno if it speaks to what they've been watching or severe brain damage, but that show has fallen off a cliff since the end of season 3. It used to be great, but now it's loving unwatchable.
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Jul 13, 2017 22:04
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InfiniteZero posted:She got to do more with less in Fargo, probably because it was a shorter series and more planned out than The Leftovers which left her more room to do nuanced stuff within those plans, which she is entirely capable of doing and is more impressive than responding to an evolving narrative (*). Which specific scenes would you point to as being more impressive? Like, she isn't exactly given very much to do. I don't really understand any of what you're saying about 'plans' and 'responding to an evolving narrative' either. It's as if you think Leftovers is improvised.
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Jul 13, 2017 22:05
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Escobarbarian posted:It's as if you think Leftovers is improvised. Far from it, but The Leftovers was a multi-season show that rebooted after the first season as opposed to the short and mostly self-contained season of Fargo she's been nominated for. Escobarbarian posted:Which specific scenes would you point to as being more impressive? The entire second to last episode of Fargo. It was one of those "for your consideration" things for Coon, much like the court room episode of Better Call Saul was a FYC for Michael McKean (who somehow did not get nominated!). InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 22:15
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InfiniteZero posted:Really? Shows like The Handmaid's Tale, Atlanta, Master of None, and Feud are all on there too among the more conspicuous nominees. I'd consider shows like the Handsmaids Tale, Atlanta, and Master of None popular. They got a boatload of media attention. The comedy category is always weird because a lot of new ones have been popping up and the category was barren a few years back. House of Cards has been terrible for a few years now and rakes in the nominations. Liev Schrieber, Kevin Spacey, and Robin Wright are still getting their annual nominations for some reason. And I like Stranger Things and Westworld a lot. But it's not a better drama than the Leftovers. Evan Rachel Wood did not have a better performance this year than Carrie Coon. And how The Americans snuck into best writing for a pretty bad season of the show is beyond me. I guess my problem with the Emmys is that if your show doesn't have a great first season with critical acclaim, you're hosed. The voters are not coming back. The only exception I can think of is Friday Night Lights when it just became embarrassing at one point.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:07
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They repeatedly ignored The Wire as well The problem is that people take the Emmys seriously in the first place, when you shouldn't because its incredibly obvious that they aren't a good judge of quality. Same with the Oscars. Just ignore all the hype and rely on your own judgement.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:13
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this Sepinwall quote, I think, goes a long way towards explaining why so many (including myself, 100%) care about the emmys/awards shows in general despite knowing they're silly and invalid:quote:I try not to get too worked up about the Emmys. Some of the greatest shows and performances in TV history never won Emmys. Jackie Gleason never did for Ralph Kramden, or Jason Alexander for George Costanza, Martin Sheen for President Bartlet, Amy Poehler for Leslie Knope, or The Wire for anything. But the Emmys are also the closest thing TV has to a historical record, and if some TV fan decades from now (assuming TV still exists in a recognizable form by then) looks back to the nominees and winners of any particular year or decade, it would be nice for them to see what was truly great about TV at that time, rather than what was picked because voters weren’t paying attention, or were voting in a bloc, or were occasionally distracted by shiny new things.
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Sepinwall is way off here. The historical record is going to be the things that people are still buzzing about years after they ended, not the Emmys, and the Emmys have no effect on that anyway.
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Gorn Myson posted:Sepinwall is way off here. The historical record is going to be the things that people are still buzzing about years after they ended, not the Emmys, and the Emmys have no effect on that anyway. I think it's both. There are the occasional show such as The Wire that gets long-term praise despite Emmy voters not liking it. But I also think Emmy snubs can hurt people who create great stuff and are ignored. A nomination for The Leftovers could have gotten more people to talk about the show and try it out. Without it, maybe it just skirts into cult status for a small group of people who stuck with it. I don't even care about Leftovers being left off as much as House of Cards being nominated because it turned into such a terrible show.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:28
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imo the worst Emmy nom this year is fuckin' Barb from Stranger Things
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Jul 14, 2017 00:29
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An example of a show the Emmys helped is Transparent. Would Amazon have kept going with it if it didn't win or get nominated for some awards? It was a tiny show on Amazon that few people had heard of before it started winning awards.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:30
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Niwrad posted:An example of a show the Emmys helped is Transparent. Would Amazon have kept going with it if it didn't win or get nominated for some awards? It was a tiny show on Amazon that few people had heard of before it started winning awards. I wouldn''t exactly say it helped. That show had a great first season, then it slowly turned into a dumpster fire.
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Jul 14, 2017 13:11
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JethroMcB posted:Kids these days... And people complain about the quality of front page content these day. Was that kid lowtax's nephew or something?
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Escobarbarian posted:imo the worst Emmy nom this year is fuckin' Barb from Stranger Things Wait, that really happened? NFW
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Jul 14, 2017 14:03
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Niwrad posted:House of Cards has been terrible for a few years now and rakes in the nominations. Liev Schrieber, Kevin Spacey, and Robin Wright are still getting their annual nominations for some reason. It makes the nomination committee members feel politically responsible and hip to streaming shows so it's a safe bet for them. I disagree with Sepinwall's quote entirely. TV absolutely does have a historical record now and that is streaming services not Emmy awards. Ironically I think more people in the future will look at Sepinwall's books and reviews before they give a poo poo about Emmys.  Shitload of Emmys. I think about classic shows I love and never once did I think "well, I'm interested in The Six Million Dollar Man, but it never won an Emmy so maybe I should avoid it" nor did I start watching Kojak obsessively because Telly Savalas won a shitload of Emmys. Finally, if people in the future won't be watching The Wire because it didn't win any Emmys, then please bring on the coming apocalypse sooner than later.  Doesn't give a poo poo about Emmys. I think The Leftovers will have legs in the future too. Coon and Dowd's performances transcend dumb award shows. It's also an easier (and much more rewarding) show to binge than LOST. Would Emmy noms have given it a bump (like Niward pointed out how noms helped Transparent)? Yes, but it's not disastrous, maybe just disappointing.
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Jul 14, 2017 14:46
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InfiniteZero posted:
Who loves ya, baby? The friggin' Television Academy, that's who!
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Jul 14, 2017 15:32
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JethroMcB posted:Who loves ya, baby? The friggin' Television Academy, that's who! When I was in middle school I would pretend to be him and prank call The Players Club International.
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Jul 14, 2017 15:39
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:And people complain about the quality of front page content these day. Was that kid lowtax's nephew or something? You're being ironic right?
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:And people complain about the quality of front page content these day. Was that kid lowtax's nephew or something? Lol
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JethroMcB posted:Who loves ya, baby? The friggin' Television Academy, that's who! He's Jennifer Aniston's (Justin Theroux's wife) godfather, so he's only two degrees removed from The Leftovers. Coincidence? 
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UmOk posted:You're being ironic right? I don't even know anymore
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InfiniteZero posted:She got to do more with less in Fargo, probably because it was a shorter series and more planned out than The Leftovers which left her more room to do nuanced stuff within those plans, which she is entirely capable of doing and is more impressive than responding to an evolving narrative (*). Considering fargo and leftovers are on different categories, all of this is irrelevant. Coon didn't get snubbed because they liked her on Fargo more. She got snubbed because they liked Robin Wright more. I'd love to see you defend that.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:I wouldn''t exactly say it helped. That show had a great first season, then it slowly turned into a dumpster fire. It was always garbage, it was a Cargo Cult HBO show that even Jeffrey Tambor couldn't save Based on the previews it looks like a decent chunk of the cast will be in HBO's Room 104
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Transparent owns completely, y'all are nuts
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joepinetree posted:I'd love to see you defend that. We were subjectively discussing her performances, not the motivations or actions of the Emmy nominations committee.
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Jul 14, 2017 18:58
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In light of recent events, I had no idea this was a real thing and not something created for the show:
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Klungar posted:In light of recent events, I had no idea this was a real thing and not something created for the show: I wish Trump had a twin.
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Burned through this over the last week. Overall I like it, but have mixed feelings. I had no clue about the semi-reboot and was stunned by it, and thought it was a welcome change after the fairly humourless first season. Nora and Matt are excellent characters. I mostly don't care for Kevin's magic hotel world, although the well sequence was affecting. It doesn't feel surreal, and it's too literal-minded. Probably unfair in that respect that I'm currently watching Twin Peaks, but yeah. I felt the same way about The Sopranos. I also felt Kevin's psychotic breakdown turning out to be supernatural was a letdown, mainly because I was sympathizing with it as a breakdown. The finale was fantastic. Laurie and Tom's anti-cult work was a great episode. So is it canon that Kevin stopped the flood or what?
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snoremac posted:So is it canon that Kevin stopped the flood or what? To me it was clear by the end there never was a flood, and never was going to be. It was just easier to believe the world was ending than to continue living in it. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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UmOk posted:I wish Trump had a twin. The removal process is not bloody like portrayed in various stories. Call the number, enter a password, the device decrypts the memo. If it succeeds, it contracts around the aorta within the collateral volunteer and they die. The device will text a 40-byte hex value encrypted by a key kept in the “nuclear football” (an iPhone 5S held by a revolving staff, never actually the guy with the briefcase thing). That sets off the strike by remotely authorizing it. The whole process takes about 20 seconds and is fully automated after the strike is ordered, and the phone number is called. Enter the password and is Tiffany is gone.
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snoremac posted:I also felt Kevin's psychotic breakdown turning out to be supernatural was a letdown, mainly because I was sympathizing with it as a breakdown. Also, just because some supernatural stuff may have occurred doesn't mean that Kevin isn't completely nuts and those "breakdowns" weren't the markings of a legit insane guy. snoremac posted:
Lord Krangdar posted:To me it was clear by the end there never was a flood, and never was going to be. It was just easier to believe the world was ending than to continue living in it. Basically what this poster said. There was no flood, the world didn't end, nobody else disappeared. The world moved on and seems to be healing from what we've seen of future Australia and the way Kevin says "Not so much" when Nora asks him if they still call Jarden "Miracle." Last Chance fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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The other possibility being that Kevin and Patty sacrificed Hotel World and saved Real World and now Kevin and others like him are mortal
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snoremac posted:Burned through this over the last week. Overall I like it, but have mixed feelings. I had no clue about the semi-reboot and was stunned by it, and thought it was a welcome change after the fairly humourless first season. Nora and Matt are excellent characters. I feel like this show is a bad one to binge watch. Each season feels like it needs at least a couple months to sink in.
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snoremac posted:Burned through this over the last week. Overall I like it, but have mixed feelings. I had no clue about the semi-reboot and was stunned by it, and thought it was a welcome change after the fairly humourless first season. Nora and Matt are excellent characters. Semi-reboot?
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Niwrad posted:I feel like this show is a bad one to binge watch. Each season feels like it needs at least a couple months to sink in. Agreed, watching as it aired was perfection.
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UmOk posted:Semi-reboot?
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Last Chance posted:Which breakdown? Kevin had several, and I don't think there was anything 100% confirmed supernatural about any of them, except when he sees his dad tripping balls in the hotel TV. And maybe him coming back to life after essentially dying. By semi-reboot I meant the setting change in season 2.
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snoremac posted:True. Him seeing the Muslim girl as Evie was clearly his own delusion. As someone who appreciated the character more as someone with a serious mental health issue I was just hating everyone towards the end because they were effectively asking him to suicide over Kevin Snr's ridiculous rain dance fantasy, and this wasn't portrayed as a potentially insane thing to be doing beyond Laurie's meagre protests. The Great Departure unhinged everyone for a little while, a lot of people went crazy and it almost caused the end of the world
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